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Psychiatric Manual DSM-IV-TR Labels free Thinkers, non conformers as Mentally Ill (Do you have ODD?)
United We Stand ^ | October 15th, 2010 | Brian D. Hill

Posted on 10/21/2010 6:56:30 AM PDT by Jenny Hatch

It is now confirmed by USWGO News that the DSM-IV-TR Manual labels free thinkers, non conformers, civil disobedient advocates, those that question authority, and people considered hostile toward the government (aka Oath keepers and local militias) as mentally ill with the illness titled “oppositional defiant disorder” or ODD.

It was reported on October 8 2010 from OffTheGrid News that anybody who is disobedient, defiant, a free thinker, or even considered hostile toward authority was to be labeled by psychiatrists as ‘Mentally Ill’.

Now I have got my hands on a ebook version of the year 2000 version of the ‘Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders DSM-IV-TR Fourth Edition (Text Revision) By the American Psychiatric Association version DSM-TV-TR (The non TR Version was said to be older and so I got the newer one which had the information that Off The Grid News warned about).

Now as I search up the keywords “oppositional defiant disorder” on adobe reader I found exactly what Off The Grid News was talking about. So it is now Confirmed basically that anyone who disobeys authority or even questions authority is now considered mentally ill and can be thrown in a prison-like mental institution under tax payers dollars.

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So lets just get to the basics of what this is talking about for those that don’t exactly understand what this is saying:

So now according to the ebook it states that:

The essential feature of Oppositional Defiant Disorder is a recurrent pattern of negativistic, defiant, disobedient, and hostile behavior toward authority figures that persists for at least 6 months.

So in other words if a student gives out 9/11 truth fliers and a teacher says “You don’t have a Constitutional right to give out fliers good buddy” then non compliance is considered hostile or disobedient. Also if I am with the Oath Keepers that refuse to obey unlawful orders from authorities then that also fits them and me as disruptive and hostile towards authority. If the psychiatrists use the ODD illness on regular adults then I am sure many disgruntled tax paying Americans and those that no longer consent to be governed would be forcefully medicated, forced to accept being a slave to society, or stay in a mental prison institution complex for the rest of their days. That seems to be where this manual is getting at according to the fact I was able to obtain the full copy of the psychiatric manual.

Negativistic and defiant behaviors are expressed by persistent Stubbornness, resistance to directions, and unwillingness to compromise, give in, or negotiate with adults or peers. Defiance may also include deliberate or persistent testing of limits, usually by ignoring orders, arguing, and failing to accept blame for misdeeds. Hostility can be directed at adults or peers and is shown by deliberately annoying others or by verbal aggression (usually without the more serious physical aggression seen in Conduct Disorder).

So in other words it is okay to compromise with those that commit treason to this country and those that disobey their Oath to the Constitution. The day we start accepting and compromising with those that wish to take away our freedoms then that is the path to start losing all of our freedoms and rights for good. Also this manual speaks against any anti-social behavior so that means that if your not in a organized religion, not being social enough in society, and may have viewpoints that are unpopular then you will also be labeled as having ODD.

Defiance may also include deliberate or persistent testing of limits, usually by ignoring orders, arguing, and failing to accept blame for misdeeds

So if I was a active duty soldier and was told to confiscate peoples guns, assassinate American citizens, and start silencing dissent and I refuse those orders plus argue with the commander in chief regarding the illegal orders then that makes me mentally ill and the Unconstitutional treasonous monsters the hero.

So it is now confirmed that psychiatrists will start targeting brave people like George Washington, anti Federal Reserve activists, activists, and even those against tyranny with mental illnesses such as “oppositional defiant disorder” as we head into more of a Military Dictatorship where freedom does not exist and all functions of society must function like a cold hard machine and any who feel the need to be away from this machine society will not be tolerated by the Police State minions and will either be killed or pumped up with so much drugs that the person will feel like a zombie.

Also what are free thinkers anyways, Free thinkers are those that feel they should have the right to live the way they choose freely as long as they don’t harm anybody, don’t harm the persons property, and don’t harm other peoples rights. A free thinker is a person that believes they should have the rights to think freely without any risk of persecution.

These are the full list of who all will be targeted by this new disorder created by the American Psychiatric Association:

Free Thinkers – Because they get in the way of the police state and become a obstacle to authority

Non conformers – Because they will cause civil disobedience which will make things harder on authorities

Oath Keepers – Because they will actively refuse any orders from higher ups to shoot American citizens, confiscate Americans guns when this action conflicts with the 2nd amendment, follow illegal orders aka orders that conflict with the Constitution and the laws legally passed. Oath keepers teach people to be disobedient to any authority that breaks the Constitution.

Highly creative artists – Because they are wasting time in the police state society and so they must also work like clockwork to be a good slave in society or risk being thrown in a mental institution.

Anyone that questions authority – Because the authority is god and anybody that questions authority must be a troublemaker that wishes to destabilize a society and commit acts of terrorism.

So there we have it the American Psychiatric Association is putting in their Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders DSM-IV series that free thinkers, civil disobedient advocates, and Oath keepers are all mentally ill that are anti-social and may cause behavior problems in our modern society.

The Constitution is at risk again as the fascists keep finding ways to indoctrinate the youth and finding new ways to make people conform to the new Unconstitutional ways of society. We are being incrementally prepared to accept the new treasonous Unconstitutional takeover.

1 posted on 10/21/2010 6:56:34 AM PDT by Jenny Hatch
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To: Jenny Hatch
Jenny they've got your number...
2 posted on 10/21/2010 7:03:43 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 638 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Jenny Hatch

Good to see many of the psychiatrists who worked for the KGB have found gainful employment here in the good old USA.


3 posted on 10/21/2010 7:04:18 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Jenny Hatch

Direct to us from the Soviet playbook is the labeling of dissent as mental illness. No doubt purely coincidence that it’s just in time for Obamacare’s setting of treatment rules and regulations. No doubt at all.


4 posted on 10/21/2010 7:04:39 AM PDT by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: Jenny Hatch
if a student gives out 9/11 truth fliers and a teacher says “You don’t have a Constitutional right to give out fliers good buddy” then non compliance is considered hostile or disobedient

The DSM-IV does not give theoretical scenarios of what a teacher may or may not say to a potential clinical subject.

Your entire argument is built on your own assumptions that are completely disconnected from the clinical concerns of the manual in question. You have no idea what you're talking about, frankly.

And, of course, anyone who is distributing "9/11 truth fliers" is obviously mentally ill to begin with.

5 posted on 10/21/2010 7:08:26 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Jack Black; LucyT; ExTexasRedhead

We are all mental cases now!


6 posted on 10/21/2010 7:08:33 AM PDT by stockpirate ("......When the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Jenny Hatch

Do they specify which Authority? There are a lot to choose from and some of them contradict others.


7 posted on 10/21/2010 7:08:46 AM PDT by Marylander
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To: lastchance

So we will not be relocated to Gulags.

It will be Hospitals for the re-education of the ODD people.

Perhaps we should all get Tee-Shirts that say I am O.D.D. and proud of it.

Jesus Christ, Ghandi, and MLK would all qualify. I do so love being in good company.

One O.D.D. Gunner


8 posted on 10/21/2010 7:09:25 AM PDT by weps4ret (Where is John Galt?)
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To: Jenny Hatch

Much Madness is divinest Sense —
To a discerning Eye —
Much Sense — the starkest Madness —
‘Tis the Majority
In this, as All, prevail —
Assent — and you are sane —
Demur — you’re straightway dangerous —
And handled with a Chain

Emily Dickinson


9 posted on 10/21/2010 7:09:48 AM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: Jenny Hatch

To paraphrase Animal Farm: We are all mentally ill. Some are more mentally ill than others.


10 posted on 10/21/2010 7:09:52 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Obama makes me miss Jimmah Cahtah!)
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To: Dahoser

For more than a generation liberals have tried to stigmatize conservatives by alleging that conservatives are mentally ill. Jerome Frank and Richard Hofstadter are two leftists who come to mind who have written books on this theme.

It is nothing but projection by the truly mentally ill ;-)


11 posted on 10/21/2010 7:10:05 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Jenny Hatch

The author did leave out something important as of now this diagnosis is applicable only to children and adolescents.

That does not mean it will be expanded to adults. For adult diagnosises you would want to look up the manual’s section on personality disorders.


12 posted on 10/21/2010 7:10:36 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Jenny Hatch

Hmmm.... get the ODD diagnosis and apply for SSD & medicare/medicaid... will have to consider that when the unemployment runs out...


13 posted on 10/21/2010 7:12:44 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: Jenny Hatch

This is about controlling firearms and preventing their sales to persons with previous diagnoses of mental illness.


14 posted on 10/21/2010 7:12:53 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Jenny Hatch

It is a way to disarm those who would fight the assault on our liberties.


15 posted on 10/21/2010 7:13:55 AM PDT by cayuga (Can the US survive an electorate stupid enough to send 0bama to the White House?)
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To: lastchance

Correction: That does not mean it will NOT be....


16 posted on 10/21/2010 7:14:23 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Marylander

No.

The left’s power comes from non-definition of terms.
It allows them to “use their discretion” in order to treat people differently under the law, depending on if you’re in favor or not.


17 posted on 10/21/2010 7:14:56 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: null and void
Now you've got me singing that darn song.
867-5309
18 posted on 10/21/2010 7:15:06 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (HM2/USN M/3/3 Marines RVN 66-67)
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To: Jenny Hatch

This has to be satire. Where’s the satire warning? This has to be satire. Where’s the satire warning? This has to be satire. Where’s the satire warning? This has to be satire. Where’s the satire warning? This has to be satire. Where’s the satire warning? This has to be satire. Where’s the satire warning? This has to be satire. Where’s the satire warning? This has to be satire. Where’s the satire warning? This has to be satire. Where’s the satire warning? This has to be satire. Where’s the satire warning? This has to be satire. Where’s the satire warning? This has to be satire. Where’s the satire warning?


19 posted on 10/21/2010 7:15:16 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Keith in Iowa

And never be able to own a firearm again... no thanks.

Also - I regret my vote on this now - state governments can take away your right to vote based on “mental illness”.
And then they just have to define your political opposition as “mental illness”.


20 posted on 10/21/2010 7:16:42 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: lastchance
This post is ridiculous.

The DSM-IV does not say that anyone who questions or disobeys authority figures is mentally ill.

It regards a pathological attitude in which an individual only acknowledges authority if the authority rules in that person's favor and ignores or attacks authority figures if they are ruled against.

There is an enormous difference between the mind that disobeys an illegal order or an unjust law as a reasoned act of civil engagement, and the mind that believes that no laws or rules apply to him and that he is free to disobey any authority or break any law if he feels he is being personally inconvenienced.

A normal person realizes that sometimes a law can be beneficial to the community and to himself as a whole, but can simultaneously be onerous or burdensome to him at this particular point in time.

21 posted on 10/21/2010 7:18:57 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: ComputerGuy

Funny “coincidence”. Yesterday, a guy was messing with his iPhone and accidentally played approximately 4 notes of the Tommy Tutone version out loud.

It was stuck in my head the rest of the day.


22 posted on 10/21/2010 7:19:12 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: lastchance
For adult diagnoses you would want to look up the manual’s section on personality disorders.

You'd be hard-pressed to find someone in this administration who does NOT have one of those.

23 posted on 10/21/2010 7:19:33 AM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

>This is about controlling firearms and preventing their sales to persons with previous diagnoses of mental illness.<

Bingo! Those individuals with a history of mental illness lose the right to possess firearms.

The first comment made by my spouse when I read this article to him - “they’re angling to disarm anyone who disagrees with them”.

Poor old Patrick Henry would have been wrapped up in a strait jacket by the modern psycho system, while Barney Frank is celebrated like a rock star.


24 posted on 10/21/2010 7:20:20 AM PDT by Darnright (There can never be a complete confidence in a power which is excessive. - Tacitus)
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To: ComputerGuy

I’m evil that way...


25 posted on 10/21/2010 7:21:39 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 638 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void; MrB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkpGQUflBwU


26 posted on 10/21/2010 7:24:18 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (HM2/USN M/3/3 Marines RVN 66-67)
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To: Jenny Hatch
"Now I have got my hands on a ebook version of the year 2000 version of the ‘Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders DSM-IV-TR Fourth Edition (Text Revision) By the American Psychiatric Association version DSM-TV-TR (The non TR Version was said to be older and so I got the newer one which had the information that Off The Grid News warned about)."

Still crazy after all these years? Y2K? In 2000, George Bush was running for President, and Al Gore was still considered a sane man by almost half of all voters.

(The last major revision was the fourth edition ("DSM-IV"), published in 1994, although a "text revision" was produced in 2000. The fifth edition ("DSM-5") is currently in consultation, planning and preparation, due for publication in May 2013. - Wikipedia)

27 posted on 10/21/2010 7:27:13 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Jenny Hatch
So when will PQD (Psychological Questioning Disorder) be included? Symptoms include reading and commenting on the DSM, expressing concern about the over prescription of Ritalin and Prozac, looking up the history of Soviet Psychiatric punishment, and in general expressing doubts about any mental health diagnosis.

Oh, no! Did I say "over prescription"? That's expressing a judgment on mental health diagnosis. I'm insane! I'm insane!

28 posted on 10/21/2010 7:28:03 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Grblb blabt unt mipt speeb!! Oot piffoo blaboo...)
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To: KarlInOhio

This is the same bunch that made up ADD? I think that psychiatrists are responsible for most of what is wrong woth the country today. We were much better off before people started taking these quacks seriously. I would not talk to one if they were the last other person on earth.


29 posted on 10/21/2010 7:35:23 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Jenny Hatch
The essential feature of Oppositional Defiant Disorder is a recurrent pattern of negativistic, defiant, disobedient, and hostile behavior toward authority figures that persists for at least 6 months.

Like William Ayers? :)

30 posted on 10/21/2010 7:38:50 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: Jenny Hatch

A medical professional Freeper told me he views the DSM as much an insurance billing manual as a diagnostic/classification tool.


31 posted on 10/21/2010 7:46:50 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (/s, in case you need to ask)
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To: All; Jenny Hatch; null and void; lastchance; Dahoser; wideawake; Jack Black; LucyT; stockpirate; ...

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


32 posted on 10/21/2010 7:48:00 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. ~Mencken)
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To: AD from SpringBay

Symptoms
By Mayo Clinic staff

It may be tough at times to recognize the difference between a strong-willed or emotional child and one with oppositional defiant disorder. Certainly there’s a range between the usual independence-seeking behavior of children and oppositional defiant disorder. It’s normal to exhibit oppositional behaviors at certain stages of a child’s development.

However, your child’s issue may be ODD if your child’s oppositional behaviors:

Are persistent
Have lasted at least six months
Are clearly disruptive to the family and home or school environment
The following are behaviors associated with ODD:

Negativity
Defiance
Disobedience
Hostility directed toward authority figures
These behaviors might cause your child to regularly and consistently show these signs and symptoms:

Temper tantrums
Argumentativeness with adults
Refusal to comply with adult requests or rules
Deliberate annoyance of other people
Blaming others for mistakes or misbehavior
Acting touchy and easily annoyed
Anger and resentment
Spiteful or vindictive behavior
Aggressiveness toward peers
Difficulty maintaining friendships
Academic problems
Related mental health issues
Oppositional defiant disorder often occurs along with other behavioral or mental health problems such as:

Attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)
Anxiety
Depression
The symptoms of ODD may be difficult to distinguish from those of other behavioral or mental health problems.

It’s important to diagnose and treat any co-occurring illnesses because they can create or worsen irritability and defiance if left untreated. Additionally, it’s important to identify and treat any related substance abuse and dependence. Substance abuse and dependence in children or adolescents is often associated with irritability and changes in the child’s or adolescent’s usual personality.

When to see a doctor
If you’re concerned about your child’s behavior or your own ability to parent a challenging child, seek help from your doctor, a child psychologist or child behavioral expert. Your primary care doctor or your child’s pediatrician can refer you to someone.

The earlier this disorder can be managed, the better the chances of reversing its effects on your child and your family. Treatment can help restore your child’s self-esteem and rebuild a positive relationship between you and your child. Your child’s relationships with other important adults in his or her life — such as teachers, clergy and care providers — also will benefit from early treatment.


33 posted on 10/21/2010 7:51:01 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Like William Ayers? :)

?????

Are you saying that he is defiant, disobedient and hostile?

Or are you saying that he is now the authority figure?

Or maybe both. :-P

34 posted on 10/21/2010 7:51:48 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Grblb blabt unt mipt speeb!! Oot piffoo blaboo...)
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To: Keith in Iowa

Causes
By Mayo Clinic staff

There’s no clear cause underpinning oppositional defiant disorder. Contributing causes are likely a combination of inherited and environmental factors, including:

A child’s natural disposition
Limitations or developmental delays in a child’s ability to process thoughts and feelings
Lack of supervision
Inconsistent or harsh discipline
Abuse or neglect
An imbalance of certain brain chemicals, such as serotonin


35 posted on 10/21/2010 7:52:22 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“A people unwilling to use extreme violent force to preserve or obtain their libery deserves the tyrants that rule them.” me

Someone posted here that yes their are about 1.5 million in our armed forces but there are 18 million registered deer hunters.

Most in the military would not take up arms against us.


36 posted on 10/21/2010 7:56:07 AM PDT by stockpirate ("......When the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: darkangel82

I know. It’s like a CV of the administration.


37 posted on 10/21/2010 8:00:27 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: KarlInOhio

“Oh, no! Did I say “over prescription”? That’s expressing a judgment on mental health diagnosis. I’m insane! I’m insane!”

The biggest red herring to the psychiatrists is “refuses medication”.

You don’t want to eat our toxic, mind altering, brain damaging, Chemical Lobotomizing Poison? You MUST be truly insane...


38 posted on 10/21/2010 8:02:51 AM PDT by Jenny Hatch (Mormon Mommy Blogger)
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To: stockpirate
"Most in the military would not take up arms against us."

If it was filled with radical Moslems, homosexual activists, illegals, Obama youth and ACORN types, they might, which seems to be the plan.

39 posted on 10/21/2010 8:04:37 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. ~Mencken)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Now that would make my day :-)


40 posted on 10/21/2010 8:06:58 AM PDT by stockpirate ("......When the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: null and void

“Jenny they’ve got your number...”

YOUR tax dollars at work:

“Miami Psychiatrist Who Wrote 96,685 Prescriptions for Psychiatric Drugs in 21 Months Prompts Calls for Federal Investigation”

http://www.cchrint.org/2010/10/20/miami-psychiatrist-who-wrote-96685-prescriptions-for-psychiatric-drugs-in-21-months-prompts-calls-for-federal-investigation/

Based on the huge numbers of prescriptions written by a Miami psychiatrist, Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, is continuing to pressure federal officials to investigate why some doctors write stunning numbers of scripts for tax-funded Medicare and Medicaid programs.

In his latest volley, a letter sent Wednesday to Kathleen Sebelius, secretary for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Grassley demanded exact answers to three pointed questions about what her department is doing to address the problem.

“The federal government has an obligation to figure out what’s going on here,” Grassley said in a statement e-mailed to The Miami Herald Wednesday. “The taxpayers are footing the bill, and Medicare and Medicaid are already strained to the limit. These programs can’t spare a dollar for prescription drugs that aren’t properly prescribed.

“The conclusion might be that there isn’t any fraud, but it’s important to reach a conclusion one way or the other and fix whatever is broken,” Grassley said.

In the Sebelius letter, Grassley said his concern was triggered by a “Florida provider who wrote 96,685 prescriptions for mental health drugs in a 21-month period.” The letter did not identify the provider, but state records confirm that it is Fernando Mendez-Villamil, a psychiatrist with an office on Coral Way.

State Medicaid records independently obtained by The Herald show that over a two-year period Mendez-Villamil wrote almost twice as many prescriptions for mental health drugs as the No. 2 Medicaid prescriber in the state.

Robert N. Pelier, attorney for Mendez-Villamil, said Wednesday he and his client learned about the letter only after receiving a call from The Herald. He said the psychiatrist tried to reach Grassley’s office when his prescription numbers were made public to give the proper context to the doctor’s prescription patterns and “why he is an intricate part in the community.” Pelier said he had not received a response from Grassley.

“What my client believes is that he’s been a victim of this health care debate,” the attorney said. “The majority of his prescriptions are expensive because they’re cutting-edge pharmaceuticals.”

Pelier said Mendez-Villamil has been recently terminated from the Medicaid program and is now seeing some patients for free. “We are pursuing legal action against AHCA Agency for Health Care Administration for the improper termination of doctor Mendez-Villamil from Medicaid,” he said. The lawsuit was filed late July.

Meanwhile Ryan Wiggins, spokesman for the Florida Office of the Attorney General, confirmed there is an ongoing investigation into Mendez-Villamil that involves “complicated issues of medical necessity … We cannot comment further at this time.”

Last December, Grassley’s office calculated Mendez-Villamil’s numbers meant “this physician wrote approximately 153 prescriptions each and every day, assuming he did not take vacations.”

Earlier this year, Mendez-Villamil told The Herald that he works long hours and often gives each patient four or five prescriptions, accounting for the large numbers.

In April, Grassley wrote to all state Medicaid agencies requesting data about certain mental health drugs. On Wednesday, Grassley’s office said the Florida provider identified by The Herald as Mendez-Villamil had the second-highest number of prescriptions in the nation for the generic form of Xanax in the data they analyzed.

The Wednesday letter also noted that the top Zyprexa provider in Florida wrote 1,356 prescriptions for 309 individuals in 2008 and 1,238 for 236 in 2009. The Herald independently verified from state data that this provider was Mendez-Villamil, and he wrote more than twice as many Zyprexa prescriptions as the No. 2 provider in the state.

“I want to be clear that none of the information provided suggests any illegal or wrongful behavior,” Grassley wrote. But such huge numbers “might also suggest overutilization or even health care fraud. The only way to determine veracity is through appropriate oversight by Health and Human Services and continued monitoring by the Congress and the Senate Finance committee.”


41 posted on 10/21/2010 8:12:14 AM PDT by Jenny Hatch (Mormon Mommy Blogger)
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To: KarlInOhio

The ODD Kids are now the bosses - and want to stop any others in their tracks. :)


42 posted on 10/21/2010 8:12:45 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: Jenny Hatch
Liberals have a way of gussying up their hatred with fancy words.

It fools the stupid union goons. It fools the liberal man haters.

It fools the stupid dependent who support them... and it goes without saying that it fools the MSM - who will buy ANYTHING that give them a pass for their biased, one-sided hatred of all things traditional...

And people like us? We know the intellectual rationalizations used against the Jews in Hitler's Germany. Those elites believed it too - even members of their most respected psychiatric associations...Doctors were part of Hitler's horror team...

Sorry guys - we understand self serving... we understand totalitarians.

43 posted on 10/21/2010 8:13:27 AM PDT by GOPJ ('Power abdicates only under the stress of counter-power." Martin Buber / Teanami's coming...)
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To: wideawake
As a Shrink for 25 years, board certified, lots of forensic work, yada yada yada, I've lived with the various incarnations of the DSMs all that time (not a fan), and I agree with you: ridiculous post.

1. This diagnosis is listed under the category: “Disorders Usually First Diagnosed in Infancy, Childhood, or Adolescence”. We all know the kind of kid they're talking about here.

2. I've never seen the diagnosis carried over into adulthood: usually this evolves into a Narcissistic Personality Disorder, an “Axis II Disorder,” ie not a “major psychiatric disorder” of the sort that can be used to bring one to the attention of the authorities for detention or commitment.

3. I've never seen anyone admitted to a hospital, voluntary or otherwise because of this diagnosis alone: a major Axis I psychiatric disorder that leads to danger to self or others or grave disability (inability to meet basic needs for health and safety) is required to get into a hospital: insurance otherwise won't pay for it, and courts certainly won't order it involuntarily. It may happen at some adolescent treatment facilities somewhere, but I've never seen it.

4. In Washington State where I practice now, the inability to carry concealed or buy a firearm is based on involuntary commitments due to major Axis I conditions, and is determined in court under due process, not at the whim of a psychiatrist.

5. By the time our political system has devolved to the point where people are denied possession of a gun on the sorts of grounds this post is concerned with, they won't need some trumped up charge to be confiscating them.

44 posted on 10/21/2010 8:34:51 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: wideawake
This post is ridiculous.

You are not looking at the whole picture here.

The DSM-IV does not say that anyone who questions or disobeys authority figures is mentally ill.

It regards a pathological attitude in which an individual only acknowledges authority if the authority rules in that person's favor and ignores or attacks authority figures if they are ruled against.

from above:
So now according to the ebook it states that:

The essential feature of Oppositional Defiant Disorder is a recurrent pattern of negativistic, defiant, disobedient, and hostile behavior toward authority figures that persists for at least 6 months.

I am opposed to everything that obama does. I have seen nothing he has done as being constitutional, or good for this country. Everything he does is against us. I do not expect my opinion to change on this. He has been in office for just under 2 years.

According to the definition given above, I am mentally diseased.

Do you doubt that the democrats would invoke such an interpretation to destroy their enemies? I don't. The socialists ALWAYS go down this path (See the Soviet Union mental health system)

There is an enormous difference between the mind that disobeys an illegal order or an unjust law as a reasoned act of civil engagement, and the mind that believes that no laws or rules apply to him and that he is free to disobey any authority or break any law if he feels he is being personally inconvenienced.

And there is no difference between how the democrats will repsond to the first and the second.

We saw in DSM-III how the APA is an entirely political organization (The de-listing of homosexuality as a mental illness was entirely political). I'd bet that most APA menbers are democrats and are manipulating the system to get rid of tehir opponents.

45 posted on 10/21/2010 8:47:49 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Jenny Hatch
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46 posted on 10/21/2010 9:34:50 AM PDT by haywoodwebb (Islam is a violent political ideology masquerading as a religion . . . Black & Humble)
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To: stockpirate; CanGyrene; Fred Nerks; null and void; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; rxsid; ...
It is now confirmed by USWGO News that the DSM-IV-TR Manual labels free thinkers, non conformers, civil disobedient advocates, those that question authority, and people considered hostile toward the government (aka Oath keepers and local militias) as mentally ill with the illness titled “oppositional defiant disorder” or ODD.

[snip]

So it is now Confirmed basically that anyone who disobeys authority or even questions authority is now considered mentally ill and can be thrown in a prison-like mental institution under tax payers dollars.


47 posted on 10/21/2010 10:50:22 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: weps4ret
Jesus Christ, Ghandi, and MLK would all qualify.

As would people of much lesser character.
One only needs to recall Hillary's very recent paragraph-length-without-breath screech concerning a patriots right to criticize the government.

48 posted on 10/21/2010 11:18:37 AM PDT by frog in a pot (Wake up America! You are losing the war against your families and your Constitution!)
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To: LucyT

Are we gunna get us a Krazy Check ?...;0)


49 posted on 10/21/2010 11:31:44 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: LucyT

Good point!


50 posted on 10/21/2010 11:38:13 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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