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Driver thanks man who hit him on purpose
Seattle Times ^ | 2010-10-20 | Sean Collins Walsh

Posted on 10/22/2010 9:12:20 AM PDT by justlurking

Driving to a Mariners game, Duane Innes saw a pickup ahead of him drift across lanes of traffic, sideswipe a concrete barrier and continue forward on the inside shoulder at about 40 mph.

A manager of Boeing's F22 fighter-jet program, Innes dodged the truck, then looked back to see that the driver was slumped over the wheel. He knew a busy intersection was just ahead, and he had to act fast. Without consulting the passengers in his minivan — "there was no time to take a vote" — Innes kicked into engineer mode.

"Basic physics: If I could get in front of him and let him hit me, the delta difference in speed would just be a few miles an hour, and we could slow down together," Innes explained.

So he pulled in front of the pickup, allowed it to rear-end his minivan and brought both vehicles safely to a stop in the pull-off lane.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Washington
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State Farm, Pace's insurance company, covered the roughly $3,500 in damage to Innes' car, and a claim representative sent Innes a letter of appreciation this summer.
1 posted on 10/22/2010 9:12:24 AM PDT by justlurking
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To: justlurking
Without consulting the passengers in his minivan — "there was no time to take a vote" — Innes kicked into engineer mode.

I'm glad everything worked out, but I might question whether he had the right to risk other people's lives to make a hero of himself.

2 posted on 10/22/2010 9:15:43 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: justlurking

That took major stones to pull off.


3 posted on 10/22/2010 9:16:28 AM PDT by AU72
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To: justlurking

Great story, great post! Thanks. Another teaching moment for all of us.


4 posted on 10/22/2010 9:20:12 AM PDT by RitaOK
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To: justlurking

this is like Democrats thanking Obama for Obamacare


5 posted on 10/22/2010 9:20:47 AM PDT by therightliveswithus
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

They were his kids, they don’t always get a vote.


6 posted on 10/22/2010 9:23:25 AM PDT by fml
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To: justlurking

Right Stuff ping!


7 posted on 10/22/2010 9:23:52 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: justlurking
Did the Seattle police cite both drivers to get the money from fining them?

Innes did a good job and may have prevented many deaths and injuries. And good job for State Farm agreeing to pay the bill instead of fighting it.

8 posted on 10/22/2010 9:27:08 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Grblb blabt unt mipt speeb!! Oot piffoo blaboo...)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Maybe but this kind of changes things: He knew a busy intersection was just ahead,
9 posted on 10/22/2010 9:28:30 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
"I'm glad everything worked out, but I might question whether he had the right to risk other people's lives to make a hero of himself."

Given the known physics of what he was doing there really wasn't a risk.

10 posted on 10/22/2010 9:30:05 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
I'm glad everything worked out, but I might question whether he had the right to risk other people's lives to make a hero of himself.

Basic physics. If the other vehicle was doing 40 mph and he was doing 35, the relative velocity is 5 mph. The relative velocity doesn't provide enough energy or momentum to kill; it's not even going to scratch his kids. After that, he's braking for both of them, and again it isn't going to kill anyone, since there is no further significant impact. He thought fast, he thought accurately, and he saved the lives of strangers without risking his own kids, just involving them with an up close view of doing the right thing. Personally, I think that's the best thing a parent can do for his kids.

11 posted on 10/22/2010 9:32:24 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Valid point, but unrealistic under those circumstances. I doubt many who risk their lives like this consider a cost benefit analysis before reacting. Probably a good thing, too.

I doubt if he even considered anything other than trying to end the situation with minimal damage and loss of life. I also would be willing to bet a cup of overpriced Seattle coffee the thought of being a “hero” never once crossed the gentleman’s mind. The way I see it, the situation and how a human reacts is what determines a hero, not the other way around.

I’m certainly glad this came to a good end.


12 posted on 10/22/2010 9:32:26 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: justlurking

Boeing’s F-22 program? Funny, my friend worked for Lockheed Martin’s F-22 program in Texas...Boeing makes the wings - I’m really just picking nits here...


13 posted on 10/22/2010 9:33:24 AM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: justlurking

Damn! That is the epitome of quick thinking. He could have just gone on and called 911, risking a multi-car wreck at the intersection the vehicle was approaching.


14 posted on 10/22/2010 9:33:27 AM PDT by GnuHere
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Sounds like his quick thinking was the right decision to avoid certain tragedy given the intersection coming up. Not sure why you accused him of trying to be a hero.

Most people would have simply rubbernecked while being paralyzed at the same time, thinking about a liability backlash.


15 posted on 10/22/2010 9:34:05 AM PDT by motoman
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Some do, and others think about it. gotta love professionals in whatever craft they deal in.


16 posted on 10/22/2010 9:35:29 AM PDT by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

I’m glad everything worked out, but I might question whether he had the right to risk other people’s lives to make a hero of himself.
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“there was no time to take a vote”


17 posted on 10/22/2010 9:35:47 AM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Oh for the love of Christ!

Get a life, FRiend!


18 posted on 10/22/2010 9:37:18 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: avacado

Exactly, nobody was at risk. He knew what he was doing. He did the right thing.


19 posted on 10/22/2010 9:37:32 AM PDT by McKayopectate
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To: Pollster1

“He thought fast, he thought accurately, and he saved the lives of strangers without risking his own kids, just involving them with an up close view of doing the right thing. Personally, I think that’s the best thing a parent can do for his kids.”

Absolutely.


20 posted on 10/22/2010 9:38:00 AM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: justlurking

Another everyday American hero. THERE ARE MANY MILLIONS OF US!


21 posted on 10/22/2010 9:38:19 AM PDT by bvw
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To: GnuHere

why not? when seconds count, the police are only minutes away!


22 posted on 10/22/2010 9:38:19 AM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: justlurking

As usual the news title is backwards.

He didn’t hit the unconscious driver’s car.

He was hit when he slowed down to safefully stop both cars.


23 posted on 10/22/2010 9:41:33 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: McKayopectate

Haha! Excellent! I’ll have to watch it again when I’m not at work.


24 posted on 10/22/2010 9:42:55 AM PDT by McKayopectate
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
make a hero of himself

Are you only motivated by the opportunity for notoriety?

25 posted on 10/22/2010 9:44:34 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (War does not determine who is right -- only who is left.)
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To: Psalm 144

Bill clinton would have applointed a blue ribbon committee

Obama would have appointed a czar

the MSM would have blambed bush.

pelosi would be saying how the accident created jobs

reid would say we need healthcare reform again.

Bank of America would forclose on the van’s chrysler loan saying they owned the loan all along.

Code Pink would blame the military.

the homosexual groups would condemn the fact a homosexual was not driving the rescue vehicle and blam DADT

A judge would retroactivly demand the accident be undone.

Michael Steel would still be nowhere to be seen.

MSNBC would be blaming global warming.

the NYT will not cover the story.

CNN would only rescue the driver if he was a leftist.


26 posted on 10/22/2010 9:44:40 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
"...I might question whether he had the right to risk other people's lives to make a hero of himself."

It doesn't sound like he did it "to make a hero of himself." I suspect his motivations were otherwise.

27 posted on 10/22/2010 9:46:28 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Really? Would it have been o’k to risk his own life even if it meant his kids could end up fatherless? Every risk can end up in loss that is why it is called risk. The bigger risk was Daddy doing nothing and letting the kids know its all about them even if it resulted in the death of others.
28 posted on 10/22/2010 9:46:47 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Really? Would it have been o’k to risk his own life even if it meant his kids could end up fatherless? Every risk can end up in loss that is why it is called risk. The bigger risk was Daddy doing nothing and letting the kids know its all about them even if it resulted in the death of others.
29 posted on 10/22/2010 9:47:10 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: fml
They were his kids, they don’t always get a vote.

Shame on me. I should have read the article more carefully; then I would have known they were only children. I thought they were adults. Disregard my previous comments.

30 posted on 10/22/2010 9:51:51 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

‘It doesn’t sound like he did it “to make a hero of himself.” I suspect his motivations were otherwise.’

Quite so. People like Duane Innes are the ones who ensure the continuity of the species, and make civilization possible. I would have thought the desire to assist, if possible, would be a basic human baseline norm. In fact, I believe it still is, despite the encroachments of “urban values”.


31 posted on 10/22/2010 9:52:11 AM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

“Disregard my previous comments.”

Already done.


32 posted on 10/22/2010 9:53:41 AM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
I'm glad everything worked out, but I might question whether he had the right to risk other people's lives to make a hero of himself.

A crash at a busy intersection would have been a disaster and could have resulted in the injury/deaths of even more people. He made the right choice.


33 posted on 10/22/2010 9:58:15 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Today, Congress. Tomorrow, the White House!)
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To: justlurking

God bless you, Mr. Innes.


34 posted on 10/22/2010 9:58:28 AM PDT by publana (Time to go Galt.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Snarky is so unattractive.

If your children have a say on to how you run your life sounds like a personal problem. So does commenting without reading

35 posted on 10/22/2010 10:03:52 AM PDT by fml
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To: fml
If your children have a say on to how you run your life sounds like a personal problem.

They don't. That's why I support abortion on demand.

36 posted on 10/22/2010 10:07:35 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Off topic and clearly off the reservation


37 posted on 10/22/2010 10:11:47 AM PDT by fml
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To: justlurking
I had something similar happen several years ago on 59 North between Houston and Humble.

A car was weaving back and forth across three lanes. The guy driving kept slumping over in the seat and his head would disappear. I though he was having a heart attack, so I decided to do the same thing. I was going to let him hit the back of my truck and I would stop him before he killed someone.

When I got up beside him I looked over at him to try and tell him what I was going to do.

The guy wasn't having a heart attack, he was eating noodles with chopsticks out of a Tupperware bowl, and he was sticking his head down to shove the noodles in his face.

I honked at the guy, and he cussed me out and snapped his chopsticks at me.

38 posted on 10/22/2010 10:13:21 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: justlurking

Tell me again the part about how you can’t stop a Toyota with a stuck gas pedal by applying the brakes.


39 posted on 10/22/2010 10:18:51 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: therightliveswithus

Its not like that at all. The man saved the driver’s life.


40 posted on 10/22/2010 10:19:42 AM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: longtermmemmory

“Bill clinton would have applointed a blue ribbon committee.
Obama would have appointed a czar.
The MSM would have blambed bush.
pelosi would be saying how the accident created jobs.
reid would say we need healthcare reform again.
Bank of America would forclose on the van’s chrysler loan saying they owned the loan all along.
Code Pink would blame the military.
The homosexual groups would condemn the fact a homosexual was not driving the rescue vehicle and blam DADT.
A judge would retroactivly demand the accident be undone.
Michael Steel would still be nowhere to be seen.
MSNBC would be blaming global warming.
The NYT will not cover the story.
CNN would only rescue the driver if he was a leftist.”


Clever and complete... and mostly true, unfortunately.


41 posted on 10/22/2010 10:20:49 AM PDT by RCFlyer
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To: justlurking

Great story although nowadays i’m surprised the hero wasn’t charged with something.


42 posted on 10/22/2010 10:36:41 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: justlurking

We have lots of first-class people like Duane Innes in this country.
They just haven’t been running the place for the past 20 years.


43 posted on 10/22/2010 10:46:56 AM PDT by devere
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the mst3k movie “Riding with Death” had a similar situation,
except Ben Murphy wasn’t slumped over anything. That would not have been mellow...


44 posted on 10/22/2010 11:01:37 AM PDT by isom35
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To: Elderberry
As usual the news title is backwards.

I noticed that, too. But, per FR rules, I didn't change the article title.

45 posted on 10/22/2010 11:19:47 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: fml; Mr Ramsbotham
They were his kids, they don’t always get a vote.

To be fair, they were his grown children.

46 posted on 10/22/2010 11:24:09 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
They don't. That's why I support abortion on demand.

Either you're joking, which means you have a sick sense of humor.
Or you're serious, and support the wanton murder of innocent children, which means you're just sick.

47 posted on 10/22/2010 11:42:12 AM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: Pan_Yan

hero ping


48 posted on 10/22/2010 11:46:04 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Utopia is being foisted on Americans for their own good.-- J. Robert Smith)
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To: tnlibertarian
Either you're joking, which means you have a sick sense of humor. Or you're serious, and support the wanton murder of innocent children, which means you're just sick.

You have a tin ear for irony, which is a classic sign of someone whose wealth of knowledge and experience are either middling or below middling.

When someone tells me that a person has a right to play fast-and-loose with the lives of his children, or indeed that anyone has a right to play fast-and-loose with the life of any human being, I think it logical to assume that his moral philosophies tend in the same direction as those who maintain that a woman's offspring is her property to do with as she pleases. That's the crux of my remark. If this sounds abusive, please forgive me, but it's no more abusive than than the peurile, ill-considered remarks that you and others have directed toward me.

49 posted on 10/22/2010 12:10:08 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: justlurking; Pan_Yans Wife
Thread Hijack
50 posted on 10/22/2010 12:19:00 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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