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Wolf recovery brings backlash in Congress
Los Angeles Times ^ | October 21, 2010 | Kim Murphy

Posted on 10/22/2010 4:47:18 PM PDT by epithermal

KALISPELL, Mont. — Rep. Denny Rehberg, who manages a ranch outside Billings, Mont., knows quite literally what it means to have the wolf at the door: A single wolf killed 51 prized cashmere goats in his pasture years ago.

" 'Shoot, shovel and shut up' is a joke in Montana," said Rehberg, referring to a long-standing reference among landowners across the West — perhaps only half in jest — to the best way to deal with a federally protected endangered species like the gray wolf.

The reintroduction of the wolf in the northern Rocky Mountains has been so contentious that Rehberg, a Republican, is joining a group of congressmen preparing an unusual move to aim their weapons at the Endangered Species Act itself.

Bills introduced in Congress in recent weeks would either remove the act's protection of wolves in the Northwest or, as proposed by Rep. Chet Edwards, D-Texas, forbid any listing at all of the once nearly extinct predator. Biologists say that outcome could jeopardize recovery efforts in the Southwest and Midwest and in fledgling new populations in Washington and Oregon.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: Idaho; US: Montana; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: endangeredspecies; epa; wolves
This article says Oregon has wolves now. I had not heard of this, so does anyone know if that is true?
1 posted on 10/22/2010 4:47:22 PM PDT by epithermal
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To: epithermal

Bringing back wolves is among the dumbest thing our generation has done. The effect on the elk herds in Wyoming and Montana has been devastating.


2 posted on 10/22/2010 4:48:55 PM PDT by microgood
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To: epithermal

http://www.opb.org/programs/ofg/segments/view/1534


3 posted on 10/22/2010 4:49:55 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: microgood

Ever notice how most of the “endangered” species are animals that will hunt us or what we eat?

I don’t believe that’s a coincidence.


4 posted on 10/22/2010 4:50:54 PM PDT by Califreak (November 2008 proved that Idiocracy isn't just a movie anymore)
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To: microgood

We just follow “shoot, shovel, and shut up” here in Wyoming. Heck, we invented it. Most of us don’t give a rat’s ass about the abortion called the federal govt.


5 posted on 10/22/2010 4:51:25 PM PDT by 3boysdad (Please tell your congressczar to tell the EPA and MSHA to FO!)
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To: epithermal
" 'Shoot, shovel and shut up'

File for later reference. See my tag.

6 posted on 10/22/2010 4:53:27 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: epithermal

Yes, it’s true. They’re established in NE Oregon and the enviro nazis are happy as can be. They want them to keep increasing their ground.

Articles from The Oregonian:

http://search.oregonlive.com/Wolves+in+Oregon


7 posted on 10/22/2010 4:53:46 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: microgood
The effect on the elk herds in Wyoming and Montana has been devastating.

Some people maintain that the effect of swollen elk herds on the environment has been devastating, in the absence of natural predators. That is certainly true here in the midwest with the deer herd.

8 posted on 10/22/2010 4:55:50 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: 3boysdad
We just follow “shoot, shovel, and shut up” here in Wyoming. Heck, we invented it. Most of us don’t give a rat’s ass about the abortion called the federal govt.

So the wolves have made it all the way to Laramie? I spent many years there but that was before the wolf insanity happened.
9 posted on 10/22/2010 4:56:43 PM PDT by microgood
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To: jazusamo

Thanks, looks like they are over along the Idaho border area. None in the Cascades, I hope.


10 posted on 10/22/2010 4:57:05 PM PDT by epithermal
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To: 3boysdad
Love Wyoming :-) O2BNWY

:-D (tag idea)

11 posted on 10/22/2010 4:57:40 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch ( T.G., global warming denier.)
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

ping-a-ling!


12 posted on 10/22/2010 4:58:46 PM PDT by lonevoice (Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music)
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To: Califreak
Ever notice how most of the “endangered” species are animals that will hunt us or what we eat?

I don’t believe that’s a coincidence.


Yes, I think that they will do nothing with cougars until they eat someone important's kid. A wolf could do the same thing.
13 posted on 10/22/2010 4:58:55 PM PDT by microgood
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To: hinckley buzzard
Some people maintain that the effect of swollen elk herds on the environment has been devastating, in the absence of natural predators. That is certainly true here in the midwest with the deer herd.

Expand the hunting season, issue more tags.

14 posted on 10/22/2010 4:58:55 PM PDT by umgud (Wear your Border Patrol hat to the polls)
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To: Don Corleone

In deer country, out of season, lots of deer get run over, its against the law to shoot ‘em, but if you run over a deer, everything is okay


15 posted on 10/22/2010 4:59:04 PM PDT by Jolla
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To: epithermal

There’s been anecdotal reports of singles in the Cascades, don’t know if they’re true.

However, wolves will establish themselves in the Cascades if allowed to, there’s nothing to stop them geographically.


16 posted on 10/22/2010 5:00:19 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: epithermal

Here is a video of a pack of wolves on the prowl in Russia.

The guy in the video was very lucky to find safety.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39723578#39723578


17 posted on 10/22/2010 5:05:38 PM PDT by taxcutisapayraise (Making Statism Unpopular)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Some people maintain that the effect of swollen elk herds on the environment has been devastating, in the absence of natural predators. That is certainly true here in the midwest with the deer herd.

Actually that is not true, at least in the Yellowstone area. They can actually tell when the elk start overgrazing because they start eating larger branches which damage their mouths and they basically control the population through hunting permits. Usually at the end of each year they figure out how many more they need to get rid of and have a final hunt.

The real problem the wolves cause is with the elk that stay in Yellowstone National Park in the winter. They are the heartiest elk of all but lose alot of weight during the winter. They are sitting ducks for the wolves and so we are losing the ones with the strongest genes.

In addition, the wolves they reintroduced are Canadian wolves not indigent to the Wyoming region and they are much larger and more aggressive than the ones that used to be in Wyoming.

The wolves have basically cut the herds in half and elk are on the road to extinction in Wyoming and Montana unless something is done.
18 posted on 10/22/2010 5:06:26 PM PDT by microgood
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To: hinckley buzzard

So why not feed the elk to people.


19 posted on 10/22/2010 5:09:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: elkfersupper
Some people maintain that the effect of swollen elk herds on the environment has been devastating, in the absence of natural predators. That is certainly true here in the midwest with the deer herd.

Hey, they're singing your song.

20 posted on 10/22/2010 5:10:23 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: taxcutisapayraise

Roosky wolves are mean


21 posted on 10/22/2010 5:11:24 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: microgood

Howdy neighbor, where are you in Wyoming? are you near the Park?


22 posted on 10/22/2010 5:13:53 PM PDT by Troublemaker
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To: Troublemaker
Howdy neighbor, where are you in Wyoming? are you near the Park?

Wish I was. I actually live in the Seattle area currently but am a Wyoming native. My parents live in Jackson Hole and alot of my family is in Casper, which is where I am from. Spent years in Laramie going to school.

Even though I currently live here I will always think of Wyoming as home and I pass through there at least once a year.

What part do you hail from?
23 posted on 10/22/2010 5:18:01 PM PDT by microgood
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To: JEC

Critter Ping.


24 posted on 10/22/2010 5:20:19 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: 3boysdad

Historically, American wolves avoided man. Only in Eastern Europe and Asia were wolves known to attack humans.

The response ot the American wolf was best described by the first Roosevelt Naturalist in Yellowstone Park, on page 109 in The Yellowstone Park Nature Book, 1924 ...”they learned to their great regret that nearly every man and boy carried a rifle”.

When Y’All shoot enough of those wolves, the rest will relearn what their ancestor wolves once knew.

When gunpowder speaks, beasts obey.


25 posted on 10/22/2010 5:25:18 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Califreak

The unstated goal is to reduce the elk and deer herds to levels below sustainable hunting so that they can ban hunting, and then claim that they need more habitat and reduce the sprawl of cities and towns.

It’s never what it seems. Saving the wolf is s ruse to distract from the true goal.


26 posted on 10/22/2010 5:25:18 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: microgood

Not so much here in the Laramie area, but they are starting to be reported in the Medicine Bow Range and northward. Here it’s mostly mountain lions - which you need a tag for. The major wolf issues are in mostly in the north-western part of the state - Yellowstone, Jacksonhole, areas.


27 posted on 10/22/2010 5:28:59 PM PDT by 3boysdad (Please tell your congressczar to tell the EPA and MSHA to FO!)
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To: Ouderkirk

“Saving the wolf is s ruse to distract from the true goal.”

GOOD LINE ! ! !

“The establishment of an American soviet government will require the confiscation of large landed estates in both town and country, and the entirety of lakes, rivers, forests, and mineral deposits”.

William Z. Foster, National Chairman, Communist Party USA and founder of Fosterite Communism.

PS THe quote is from 1932.

PPS National Audubon’s Peter Berle, “We reject the idea of private property”. His VP Brock Evans said “Let’s be unreasonable. Let’s take it all!”


28 posted on 10/22/2010 5:30:40 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: microgood

You are correct. The Wolves, hunting in packs the size never seen before, have almost eliminated the elk herds in Yellowstone. A good friend lives in the Cody AO. He makes no bones about anything to incude the wolf/wolves and the destruction they do.


29 posted on 10/22/2010 5:53:32 PM PDT by Lumper20
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To: GladesGuru
“The establishment of an American soviet government will require the confiscation of large landed estates in both town and country, and the entirety of lakes, rivers, forests, and mineral deposits”.

William Z. Foster, National Chairman, Communist Party USA and founder of Fosterite Communism.

They have told us what they want to do, and they will use all sorts of subterfuge, to attain them.

Reintroduce the wolf, to reduce the deere and elk hers below hunting levels, then ban hunting. If you cannot hunt, then there is no reason for you to have firearms.

Since the populations are so low there is the need to confiscate the land of farmers and reduce suburban sprawl to provide more habitat for the reduced herds to prevent extinction.

Once they can get us disarmed they can then move toward their soviet-style utopia.

30 posted on 10/22/2010 6:02:42 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Ouderkirk

How come they haven’t introdued a bunch of these wolves along our southern border? Oh, too simple, I get it.


31 posted on 10/22/2010 6:23:04 PM PDT by Waco (From Seward to Sarah)
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To: Waco
introdued a bunch of these wolves along our southern border

That's a great idea now that you mention it. Plenty of illegals for them to eat.

32 posted on 10/22/2010 6:35:32 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

Like your tagline!

33 posted on 10/22/2010 7:21:37 PM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: 3boysdad

We’re thinking of using that line on boys when our daughter starts dating.


34 posted on 10/22/2010 7:33:44 PM PDT by wyokostur
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To: Ouderkirk

“The unstated goal is to reduce the elk and deer herds to levels below sustainable hunting so that they can ban hunting, and then claim that they need more habitat and reduce the sprawl of cities and towns.”

Hmm. I was to slow to get the agenda 21 link, but it makes perfect sense.


35 posted on 10/22/2010 8:57:38 PM PDT by Califreak (November 2008 proved that Idiocracy isn't just a movie anymore)
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To: Ouderkirk

You understand the Liberal/commie well.

“A Liberal Off His Meds - It’s An Ugly Thing.”


36 posted on 10/22/2010 9:25:36 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: microgood

Between Big Sky MT and the Park (Yellowstone). I know this is anecdotal, but I have lived here my entire life so... We don’t get a lot of wolves that stay in our valley. They often move on to the next valley to our west (Madison Valley). We have seen a further increase in bears in our valley (especially Grizzlies) and the elk population has dropped. The moose population is what has really dropped.
You used to see them often in the park. We still see them around the house, but you can tell the numbers have dropped dramatically. How this all relates to the wolf...I am not sure. But I am sure that they have had an impact on the numbers of these animals as well as the cattle numbers in the Madison Valley


37 posted on 10/22/2010 9:55:49 PM PDT by Troublemaker
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To: microgood
My son's were at their hunting camp in Mid-State Michigan, took a ride down some trials and saw a puma walking the side of the trail and it darted into the underbrush....

Gee a while back the dnr said we didn't have any....one was spotted as far south at I 69 a few years back...

38 posted on 10/23/2010 12:03:48 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: microgood
My son's were at their hunting camp in Mid-State Michigan, took a ride down some trials and saw a puma walking the side of the trail and it darted into the underbrush....

Gee a while back the dnr said we didn't have any....one was spotted as far south at I 69 a few years back...

39 posted on 10/23/2010 12:04:15 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny; All

Sorry for the double post.....:O(


40 posted on 10/23/2010 12:05:25 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: epithermal

Ever since the environmentalists started introducing these monster wolves into the lower 48, the rule has been “shoot, shovel, and shut up”. Same rule holds for the wolves.


41 posted on 10/23/2010 12:48:52 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: GladesGuru

This whole wolf thing is about more than just wolves. Look at the horizon, instead of closer to your feet. The ultimate goal it their soviet style utopia.

Like I said earlier, they want to reduce the deer and elk herds to bring them to protected status, then outlaw hunting, then outlaw guns.

This serves several purposes.

You are disarmed. There is no food outside of the approved channels. As such they can control a populace that is dependent on them for food, and as such you can be brought to heel by starvation. Subsistence does not give you the energy or resources for resistance. If you do resist you die, and they don’t have to put a bullet in you, they can starve you out.

They are destroying the “arsenal of democracy”. Once it is done, they can try to destroy us from the outside. But they cannot destroy us from within. They must soften the underbelly and deny the populace the ability to resist in order for any external force to have any chance for success.

I know that this may sound a little tin-foil hat-ish, and to some degree it is. However, you must ask yourself: if you wanted to destroy the USA, how would you go about it? What would you have to do to accomplish this? The answer becomes obvious.

Semper Fi


42 posted on 10/23/2010 11:47:06 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; hinckley buzzard
I would rather have elk than wolves.

I don't eat carnivores.

43 posted on 10/23/2010 5:03:09 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Caipirabob
Like your tagline!

Thanks :-)

44 posted on 10/24/2010 9:24:00 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch ( T.G., global warming denier.)
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