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'The Alamo' turns 50
San Antonio Express-News ^ | October 24, 2010 | Hector Saldana

Posted on 10/24/2010 1:45:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

"In San Antonio, the Alamo is venerated as a sacred shrine. But it does not belong to Texas alone," Wayne told newspaper reporters. "It belongs to people everywhere who value the priceless treasure that has always been bought with blood — human freedom."

Pilar Wayne says that was no act.

"I feel that he wanted to show what America stood for and the courage and the love of the country," she said. "To him, it was a very important message that he wanted to put out there. Mainly, it was his love of America."

"The Alamo," which was the most expensive film ever made in the continental United States at the time, opened in theaters the same year as "Psycho," "The Apartment," "Spartacus," "The Virgin Spring" and "La Dolce Vita."

For Wayne, the movie had been an obsession, a 14-year quest.

"I've got everything I own in it. I borrowed from banks and friends," Wayne said. "But I'm not worried. This is a darn good picture. It's real American history, the kind of movie we need today more than ever."

(Excerpt) Read more at mysanantonio.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Philosophy; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: alamo; freedom; johnwayne; movie

The Alamo defeners from the 1960 film, including (front row, from left) John Wayne as Davy Crockett, Richard Widmark as Jim Bowie and Laurence Harvey as William Travis. EXPRESS-NEWS FILE PHOTO
1 posted on 10/24/2010 1:45:28 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

One of my faves


2 posted on 10/24/2010 2:23:30 AM PDT by onona (dbada)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Davy Crockett explains why they are staying at the Alamo
3 posted on 10/24/2010 2:27:12 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: Cincinatus

Davy Crockett: “…….It was like I was empty. Well, I’m not empty anymore. That’s what’s important, to feel useful in this old world, to hit a lick against what’s wrong for what’s right even though you get walloped for saying that word. Now I may sound like a Bible beater yelling up a revival at a river crossing camp meeting, but that don’t change the truth none. There’s right and there’s wrong. You got to do one or the other. You do the one and you’re living. You do the other and you may be walking around, but you’re dead as a beaver hat.”


4 posted on 10/24/2010 2:36:15 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I have a copy of the unreleased to theaters director’s cut on laser disc....it includes additional scenes and stuff....warts and all, a great patriotic film and a pleasure to watch...

Imagine seeing your enemy, but not have any weapon that could reach them, as they build up and up and up....


5 posted on 10/24/2010 2:53:40 AM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I always felt sorry for Laurence Harvey. He had a messed up life and died young. So did his daughter.


6 posted on 10/24/2010 3:20:30 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: onona

I used to love going down to Alamo Village in Bracketteville in the 70s. Sometimes it seemed more ‘real’ than the ‘real’ Alamo in San Antonio.


7 posted on 10/24/2010 4:42:18 AM PDT by Semper Vigilantis (Arizona is just doing the job most Americans want done.)
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To: vladimir998

I’ll forever remember Laurence Harvey for his role in the Manchurian Candidate. He was perfect in that role.


8 posted on 10/24/2010 4:46:29 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Dudette!! Love, LOVE “The Alamo”, especially John Waynes lines on living in a REPUBLIC.


9 posted on 10/24/2010 5:11:14 AM PDT by tal hajus (ever the cynic)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Is that a Crockett quote, or a Wayne quote?

(I’d like to use it, but only if it came from Crockett.)


10 posted on 10/24/2010 5:12:31 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Spread the work ethic; the wealth will follow.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Do this movie being 50 mean what I think it means?


11 posted on 10/24/2010 5:40:16 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yes, Remember the Alamo

But more important, Remember San Jacinto

Battle of San Jacinto, April 21, 1836

18 minutes that created a nation (Texas) and an example for freedom lovers.

12 posted on 10/24/2010 5:41:08 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: GAB-1955

It do!


13 posted on 10/24/2010 6:23:28 AM PDT by fabrizio (Restore the Republic!)
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To: fabrizio
Rudy Robbins had that line more than once during the movie

John Wayne rode my Step-mom’s horse for the filming.

Her family supplied the horses and cattle for the filming quite a movie.

Too bad Happy Shahans Alamo Village is closed now.

14 posted on 10/24/2010 6:45:10 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; zot; Interesting Times

I saw a show (history channel?) in which the company created scenes from history. One was the attack on the Alamo. They used John Wayne’s Alamo in it and discovered that it is about 3/5s the size of the real Alamo, thus giving the 184 actors less area to defend. That really emphasized how much of a heroic stand they made and that they had no chance of repelling the final assault.


15 posted on 10/24/2010 6:57:10 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Rightly Biased
Happy's Ranch and the Alamo set was used for several other movies. Bandolero, Two For Texas, and the IMAX Alamo was filmed there. During the 1960's Alamo Village was a great place to go for the day. They had plays, stagecoach rides, and gunfights daily for the publics amusement. Those of us living in Del Rio went there quite often.
16 posted on 10/24/2010 6:57:11 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Rightly Biased
Too bad Happy Shahans Alamo Village is closed now.

D*mn! I love going out there. When did it close?

17 posted on 10/24/2010 7:04:41 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Texas Fossil

AHHH...someone else remembers! Every April I “The Yellow Rose of Texas” is a daily hymn around my house.


18 posted on 10/24/2010 7:14:14 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts are holding The Constitution together as the Loose Screws of The Left come undone!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Amazingly - well maybe not so much these days - one of the cable channels was running the (Dennis Quaid?) remake back to back.


19 posted on 10/24/2010 7:27:48 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts are holding The Constitution together as the Loose Screws of The Left come undone!)
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To: mc5cents

Thank you for mentioning that.


20 posted on 10/24/2010 8:26:12 AM PDT by exPBRrat (taht sure is)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

In a Playboy Interview back about 1970 John Wayne said THE ALAMO bombed in the US. He also mentioned the movie was a hit IN FRANCE!


21 posted on 10/24/2010 8:26:37 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( AKA Rodrigo de Bivar)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

boy....that was a tightly wound Travis in that film


22 posted on 10/24/2010 8:28:42 AM PDT by wardaddy (the redress over anything minority is a cancer in our country...stage 4)
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To: Texas Fossil
God bless Texas!

Great state no doubt

23 posted on 10/24/2010 8:31:54 AM PDT by wardaddy (the redress over anything minority is a cancer in our country...stage 4)
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To: prisoner6

April 21, 1836 (San Jacinto Day) is a day that should be remembered by free men for all time.

I read a great article back at the Texas Bi-Centennial that was written by Frank Feuille (President of El Paso Times) connecting that date with 2 other events in history. In each of those events a few men in a short period of time left a legacy that affected huge expanses and numbers of people for a very long time.

Another one of those 3 events was the 300 Spartans at the Battle of Thermopylae. I cannot recall the other battle but it was less well know, but important.


24 posted on 10/24/2010 9:12:13 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: wardaddy

Yes, God Bless Texas!

Thank you sir for that.

And God Bless the Unites States of America! And Protect her from the enemies of all free men.


25 posted on 10/24/2010 9:14:31 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Texas Fossil; Cincinatus' Wife; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
I grew up with the San Jacinto Monument visible out the back door of our house.

At 2:30 this afternoon, as Chairman and Historical Marker Chair of our County Historical Commission, I will be emceeing the dedication ceremony for our newest Texas Historical Marker. It commemorates the only known location in Texas where Trammel's Trace is clearly visible from a Texas State Highway. (TX 77 in northwesten Cass County...)

For a glimpse of the site as seen from the marker location -- plus a CGI of the marker in the foreground, see this image.

I plan to have the attendees stand there and imagine that they are watching Travis, Crockett and Bowie pass before their eyes -- on their journeys to their heroic destinies at the Alamo. And I'll ask them to (mentally) nod to General Sam Houston -- as he rides by on his way to San Jacinto to kick the Mexicans out of Texas!

In honor of that event, and with a tip of the Stetson to Wayne's "The Alamo", I resurrect an old tagline...

26 posted on 10/24/2010 9:46:29 AM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!)
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To: TXnMA

Some of my ancestors were born in Texas during the Republic, but most of them came to Texas from AL during Reconstruction.

Those were literally “burned out” of AL. Those wounds were common at that time and whole communities migrated to be shed of that opression. They settled first in Coryell County near Hay Valley. They wound up in Haskell county around 1886.

I moved away in 1971, after college, but returned about 15 years ago. Plan to stay. My family still owns and farms land that has been in the family for 110+ years.


27 posted on 10/24/2010 10:57:59 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Texas Fossil

The Battle of Camerone is not on a great scale, but I always try to raise a drink to it every April 30th as a sign of respect.

“On the 30 April, at 1 a.m., the 3rd company — 62 soldiers and 3 officers — was en route. At 7 a.m., after a 15-mile march, they stopped at Palo Verde to rest and “prepare the coffee”. Soon after, a Mexican Army force of 600 cavalry was sighted. Captain Danjou ordered the company take up a square formation, and, though retreating, he rebuffed several cavalry charges, inflicting the first heavy losses on the Mexican army that suffered from the French long range rifle.

Seeking a more defensible position, Danjou made a stand at the nearby Hacienda Camarón, an inn protected by a 3-metre-high-wall. His plan was to occupy Mexican forces to prevent attacks against the nearby convoy. While his legionnaires prepared to defend the inn, the Mexican commander, Colonel Milan, demanded that Danjou and soldiers surrender, noting the Mexican Army’s numeric superiority. Danjou replied: “We have munitions. We will not surrender.” He then swore to fight to the death, an oath which was seconded by the men.

Around 11 a.m. the Mexicans were increased in size by the arrival of 1,200 infantry. The Hacienda took fire but the French had lost all water early in the morning when pack mule were lost during the retreat.

At noon, Captain Danjou was shot in the chest and died; his soldiers continued fighting despite overwhelming odds under the command of an inspired 2nd Lt. Vilain, who held for four hours before falling during an assault.

At 5 p.m only 12 Légionnaires remain around 2nd Lt. Maudet. Soonafter, with ammunition exhausted, the last of Danjou’s soldiers, numbering only five under the command of Lt. Maudet, desperately mounted a bayonet charge. Two men died outright, while the rest continued the assault. The tiny group was surrounded and beaten to the earth. A Belgian Legionnaire, Victor Catteau, lept in front of Lt. Maudet in an effort to protect him from the Mexican guns when they were leveled at him but died in vain as both he and Lt. Maudet were hit in the barrage.

Colonel Milan, commander of the Mexicans, managed to prevent his men from ripping the surviving legionnaires to pieces. When the last two survivors, were asked to surrender, they insisted that Mexican soldiers allow them safe passage home, to keep their arms, and to escort the body of Captain Danjou. To that, the Mexican commander commented, “What can I refuse to such men? No, these are not men, they are devils,” and, out of respect, agreed to these terms.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Camar%C3%B3n


28 posted on 10/24/2010 12:43:00 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks. I didn’t know that John Wayne’s Alamo was smaller than the real Alamo. In any case, it was an excellent movie.


29 posted on 10/24/2010 3:16:55 PM PDT by zot
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To: zot

Apparently they shortened the length of the side wall, where there was just a wooden barricade next to the full size chapel, and the front and back walls. Sort of chopping out 20-30 feet rather than doing an actual ‘scale model’. Apparently the walls were the correct height.


30 posted on 10/24/2010 3:33:19 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; zot; Interesting Times

Here is the link to the tv production company that made the CGI videos about the Alamo and the bomb hit that caused the USS Arizona to blow up.

http://social.zune.net/tv/episode/History-Specials/What-Went-Down:-Alamo/e9bae31c-66a0-4fe6-aada-96c6c9248025

“What Went Down:” Experience what it would have been like to be present at history’s most world-changing moments in What Went Down, the gripping series from HISTORY that serves as an HD time machine to the past. From the showdown at the Alamo to the cockpit of a Japanese plane at Pearl Harbor, What Went Down brings crucial historical events vividly to life. With the help of top CGI artists and on-location experts,


31 posted on 10/24/2010 3:39:38 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: onona
One of my faves

One of mine too.

32 posted on 10/24/2010 6:59:09 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; LibreOuMort
In a Playboy Interview back about 1970 John Wayne said THE ALAMO bombed in the US. He also mentioned the movie was a hit IN FRANCE!

The French are definitely different from us, but too often wrongfully maligned. Including on FR.

Never forget: the French built and manned the same Maginot Line that the ascendant Nazi Germany was not willing to confront but had to sneak around.

And I have yet to meet the stereotypical rude Parisian. The ones I've met are nice, helpful and quite tolerant of the fact that I don't speak French.

(They make fantastic wines too.)

Vive la(?) France! (And with that I pretty much exhaust my knowledge of French -- I'm stronger with German.)

33 posted on 10/24/2010 7:09:32 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: sionnsar

In a Playboy Interview back about 1970 John Wayne said THE ALAMO bombed in the US. He also mentioned the movie was a hit IN FRANCE!

***The French are definitely different from us, but too often wrongfully maligned. Including on FR.***

Perhaps THE ALAMO hits a nerve because of their own loss at Cameron, Mexico.

“Mes enfants! I command you now. We may die, but never will surrender.”- Vilian
http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Wilson_022805-P1,00.html


34 posted on 10/24/2010 7:47:53 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Musem in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
“Mes enfants! I command you now. We may die, but never will surrender.”- Vilian'

Oh those cowardly French! (Wish Republicans had such spine *\;^)

35 posted on 10/24/2010 8:05:12 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: TXnMA
What a great idea for the dedication!

No surrender. No retreat. Remember the Alamo (and La Bahia!)
36 posted on 10/24/2010 8:38:01 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: ExGeeEye

[Is that a Crockett quote, or a Wayne quote?]

It’s a quote from the movie. Here is another.

“Republic. I like the sound of the word. It means people can live free, talk free, go or come, buy or sell, be drunk or sober, however they choose. Some words give you a feeling. Republic is one of those words that makes me tight in the throat - the same tightness a man gets when his baby takes his first step or his first baby shaves and makes his first sound as a man. Some words can give you a feeling that makes your heart warm. Republic is one of those words.”

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053580/quotes


37 posted on 10/25/2010 2:01:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Texas Fossil
Another one of those 3 events was the 300 Spartans at the Battle of Thermopylae. I cannot recall the other battle but it was less well know, but important.

Was it Roake’s Drift (Zulu War of 1879)?

38 posted on 10/25/2010 2:08:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: TXnMA

Good job!


39 posted on 10/25/2010 2:12:20 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Roake’s Drift?

No, don’t think that was it. But I truely cannot remember the 3rd. I have looked for the article, but cannot find it in my archives or those of the newspaper.


40 posted on 10/25/2010 6:33:08 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: vetvetdoug

Oh yeah I went there a lot as a kid as well.. Lonesome Dove had a couple of scenes filmed there as well.

They may reopen it or at least that is what they are saying


41 posted on 10/25/2010 6:08:56 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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To: Sarajevo

about a year ago there was a thread on FR about it.


42 posted on 10/25/2010 6:09:35 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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