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US to build 8bn super base on Pacific island of Guam
www.telegraph.co.uk ^ | 10/25/2010 | Praveen Swami

Posted on 10/25/2010 2:33:04 PM PDT by rxsid

"US to build £8bn super base on Pacific island of Guam
The US is building an £8 billion super military base on the Pacific island of Guam in an attempt to contain China's military build-up.


A B-1B Lancer takes off from Andersen Air Force Base in Guam in 2003

The expansion will include a dock for a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, a missile defence system, live-fire training sites and the expansion of the island's airbase. It will be the largest investment in a military base in the western Pacific since the Second World War, and the biggest spend on naval infrastructure in decades.

However, Guam residents fear the build-up could hurt their ecosystem and tourism-dependent economy.

Estimates suggest that the island's population will rise by almost 50 per cent from its current 173,000 at the peak of construction. It will eventually house 19,000 Marines who will be relocated from the Japanese island of Okinawa, where the US force has become unpopular.

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Local residents' concerns, however, have been sidelined by the US-China strategic competition. China has significantly expanded its fleet during the past decade, seeking to deter the US from intervening militarily in any future conflict over Taiwan, which Beijing claims as its own, and to project power across disputed territories in the gas and oil-rich South China Sea.

Beijing's naval build-up is also intended secure the sea lanes from the Middle East, from where China will import an estimated 70-80 per cent of its oil needs by 2035 supplies it fears US could choke in the event of a conflict.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/guam/8085749/US-to-build-8bn-super-base-on-Pacific-island-of-Guam.html

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aircraftcarrier; china; guam; navair; usmilitary

1 posted on 10/25/2010 2:33:08 PM PDT by rxsid
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To: rxsid

Island ‘Tip Over’ ALERT!!!!!


2 posted on 10/25/2010 2:34:37 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: rxsid

ping


3 posted on 10/25/2010 2:35:00 PM PDT by unkus
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To: rxsid

But won’t that make the Island tip over from all the weight?

Just had to get that one in. No doubt that Georgia clown is running 30 points ahead in his District.


4 posted on 10/25/2010 2:35:03 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: rxsid

Gee, what a great place to base the KC-45 tanker, what with it’s larger fuel load than the KC-767...


5 posted on 10/25/2010 2:37:20 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: rxsid

Nice move, miliatrily....but useless if the US continues subsidizing the ChiComs via Free Trade with Communist China.


6 posted on 10/25/2010 2:37:54 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (They don't let you build churches in Mecca)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

The whole island is a military “base”. It is also a colonial holding of USA which Bambi will get around to abolishing. He’ll give it to the Hawaiians as part of their reparations.


7 posted on 10/25/2010 2:40:30 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: rxsid

Wow!!!!! We are building an American base using British Pound Sterling. I guess the dollar is really in more trouble than I realized.


8 posted on 10/25/2010 2:41:14 PM PDT by hflynn (The One is really the Number Two)
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To: DAC21
Here we go.... Hank Johnson Georgia 4th District. Projected to win by a 50% margin. Truly an indictment on the Voting public.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2010/house/georgia/4

9 posted on 10/25/2010 2:42:23 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: Kartographer

The Island of Guam flips over after the last of the concrete is pour for new SUPER Base.
10 posted on 10/25/2010 2:43:54 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
Nice move, miliatrily....but useless if the US continues subsidizing the ChiComs via Free Trade with Communist China.

It is going to be hard to defend that base if the Chinese decide to do something about it. It could be pasted with IRBMs from China and their subs long before the bombers got off the ground. Trying to defend an island that far from the US against the massive military power of China would render the men their as doomed as the defenders of Corregidor were in 1941.

In 1940 in order to make a statement and deter Japanese aggression in the Pacific FDR moved the US Pacific fleet from San Diego to Pearl Harbor. We all know how well that worked out. Now Obama is going to move our strategic bombers and Aircraft Carriers from bases in the continental US out to Guam.
11 posted on 10/25/2010 2:44:12 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: rxsid

Wonderful.

The government supports policy and trade to give the Chi-conms and advantage economically, financially, militarily......then goes and spends billions to contain them.

Way to go Uncle Sugar, way to go.


12 posted on 10/25/2010 2:48:38 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Kartographer

13 posted on 10/25/2010 2:48:43 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Self Defence is always appropriate.)
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Proposed Military Buildup in Guam (from Joint Guam Program Office, United States Navy, Proposed Action/Guam”)"

From: http://japanfocus.org/-Yoshida-Kensei/3378

14 posted on 10/25/2010 2:49:49 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: GonzoGOP
Kinda like building a big target....

When China goes "stupid", we'll simply blow them off the face of the earth. Have to stay "moveable"...

15 posted on 10/25/2010 2:50:38 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: GonzoGOP

FDR needed a target.


16 posted on 10/25/2010 2:51:06 PM PDT by tired1 (Federalize the Fed)
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To: Kartographer

LOL - I remember I almost fell out of my chair when I heard that comment.

I forget which RAT said - anyone?


17 posted on 10/25/2010 2:51:44 PM PDT by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: rxsid

islandtippers


18 posted on 10/25/2010 2:53:16 PM PDT by FrankR (You are only obligated to obama to the extent you accept his handouts.)
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To: rxsid

From what I’ve heard and read the good folks of Guam don’t care for the American presence they already have and that position is acknowledged by the Japanese gub mint.
Cam Ranh Bay and Russias new interest there come to mind here.


19 posted on 10/25/2010 2:53:35 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Less gubmint is best gubmint.)
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To: newfreep

Hank Johnson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg


20 posted on 10/25/2010 2:55:23 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: rxsid

I have a nephew who is a lawyer on Guam. Maybe he’ll keep it from tipping over.


21 posted on 10/25/2010 3:06:06 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: Kartographer

I elect this the top 5 videos of the year. The look on the guy’s face..he was absolutely serious about it.


22 posted on 10/25/2010 3:09:23 PM PDT by max americana (Hoax and Chains, Dopeychangey)
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To: Kartographer

guam is good


23 posted on 10/25/2010 3:16:08 PM PDT by i_dont_chat ("The Jihadists are coming!" "The Jihadists are coming!")
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To: GonzoGOP

Guam has always been too far away to defend. It was true in 1940. It is true today.


24 posted on 10/25/2010 3:21:20 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: GonzoGOP

They do that and Trident warheads will impact on the
Tienanmen Sq and elsewhere in the Peoples Republic.

No, they won’t lift a finger against us.


25 posted on 10/25/2010 3:26:12 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: Joe Boucher
"... that position is acknowledged by the Japanese gub mint.'

It doesn't matter what the Japanese think. Guam is US territory.

26 posted on 10/25/2010 3:29:05 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: rxsid

couldn’t we work something out with the philippines or another neighboring country so that we have more than one base in the region? I would imagine that the reason for this is that Okinawa is going to soon be given back to the locals and so we will need a place for all the forward-deployed forces.


27 posted on 10/25/2010 3:30:39 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: GonzoGOP

Don’t worry, a few growls from the dragon and this Guam project along with our beloved Tnediserp will fold up like an accordion.

OTOH, if the Chicoms don’t growl, it may be because they have a Tanaka Plan of their own. Worked for the Japs, at least for a while.


28 posted on 10/25/2010 3:32:42 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My bullets are dipped in pig grease!")
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To: rahbert
They do that and Trident warheads will impact on the Tienanmen Sq and elsewhere in the Peoples Republic.

If you seriously think that you need to do a quick study of history. In the 1950s we said that if a communist army attacked us we would nuke them. Then the Chinese came across the Yalu and what do ya know, no nukes. OK that was some foreign country on the other side of the world. But if anyone ever attacked New York they would instantly get nuked into oblivion. Then there was this Tuesday in September, and what do ya know, no nukes.

If the Chi-Coms hit Guam with a conventional attack there is no way Obama, or likely any other president, is going to go nuclear. He might send in some cruise missiles against Chinese bases. And assuming they haven't all been decommissioned a couple of carrier battle groups lose in the Indian Ocean could play havoc with China's merchant fleet. But we would not go nuclear unless the other guy went their first. Especially if the attack was in a territory rather than in the US proper.
29 posted on 10/25/2010 4:35:36 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP

Respectfully disagree. Hawaii was a territory and a major base, and when the attack came in 1941 we declared war.

We would see an attack coming days or weeks in advance
via ‘national technical means’ as well as by way of human intelligence. The Chinese would be invited to go home or
suffer consequences, even Obamao would be forced to respond or be yanked from office.


30 posted on 10/25/2010 4:44:56 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: GonzoGOP
"It is going to be hard to defend that base if the Chinese decide to do something about it. It could be pasted with IRBMs from China and their subs long before the bombers got off the ground. Trying to defend an island that far from the US against the massive military power of China would render the men their as doomed as the defenders of Corregidor were in 1941."We USED to have bases of this size in the Philippines...even larger.

If the Chinese hit Guam, they will be signing up for total nuclear war...and they know it.

Guam is US Territory. They may as well hit LA.

31 posted on 10/25/2010 4:51:57 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: rahbert
We would see an attack coming days or weeks in advance via ‘national technical means’ as well as by way of human intelligence.

You mean like we did at Pearl Harbor, Or when the Chinese crossed the Yalu, or that whole Tet Offensive thing. How about 9/11 did we see that coming. When the Chinese hold an "Exercise" do you attack them first or take the risk that it might be a preliminary for a surprise attack?

And note, I never said we would not declare war. I said we would not go nuclear unless the other guy went there first. Big difference. If we went nuclear most of our major cities would go in the Chinese counter strike. How many of Obama's limousine liberals are going to escalate a war knowing that they will trade LA, San Francisco, Seattle and Hawaii for Guam? Or would they try to keep the war contained in the Western Pacific and conventional.
32 posted on 10/25/2010 5:11:07 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: rahbert

first target — three gorges damn ... full spread ..


33 posted on 10/25/2010 6:39:07 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
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To: GonzoGOP

don’t believe US loses cities in the ChiCom counterstrike ... we have ballistic missile defense, which I believe is several order of magnitudes than is publicly advertised ...


34 posted on 10/25/2010 6:41:41 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
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To: rxsid

chicom bump for later..........


35 posted on 10/25/2010 7:05:19 PM PDT by indthkr
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To: rxsid
Guam residents should fear the new bullseye on their island, forget the freaking ecosystem........j/s

Akways had this creepy feeling when I worked at Pearl Harbor, knowing 2-3 countries had it zeroed in..........

36 posted on 10/25/2010 8:10:21 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: StormEye

And the civilians there are Japaneese and do not care much for the U.S. presence.


37 posted on 10/26/2010 4:46:19 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Less gubmint is best gubmint.)
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To: rxsid

This is a replacement for Subic/Cubi Point


38 posted on 10/26/2010 4:51:12 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: GonzoGOP

Not only did the move to Pearl work, it worked stunningly well. Compac won the war in the Pacific from the Hawaiian bastion.


39 posted on 10/26/2010 4:54:35 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: bert
Not only did the move to Pearl work, it worked stunningly well. Compac won the war in the Pacific from the Hawaiian bastion.

We also came within three minutes of losing the war. At the battle of Midway it was just that close. The Japanese had shot down almost every aircraft from the island and the carriers sent against them. All we had left were a hand full of dive bombers, without fighter escort. They killed three carriers in three minuets and saved the war for the US.

If the Japanese had kept even a hand full of their fighters at high altitude instead of sending them all after the torpedo bombers, if their damage control officers had not been so blitheringly incompetent as to have munitions and fuel all over the hanger decks, or if their strike on our carriers had been launched three minutes earlier we would have lost the war. The reason it was that close was because of the damage done to the US fleet at Pearl Harbor.

Maintaining a forward base is a good thing. Forward basing strategic assets where the enemy can strike them is a very bad thing. Having a base at Pearl would have been fine, if the fleet had stayed at San Diego until war was declared. That way they could move forward over a couple of days, but would still have been safe from a sneak attack.

Building a base at Guam is all and good. Most of it is there already. Basing tactical assets to protect the island, like fighters, is also a good idea. However putting the bombers and the fleet there just invites a sneak attack.
40 posted on 10/26/2010 5:09:24 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP

Find and read “The Shattered Sword” by Parshall/Tully and learn the imprecision of your historical knowledge.

It was recommended to me by the FReeper Non Sequitor and is a fabulous and accurate account of the Midway battle from the Japanese side. It casts a completely new light on the minute by minute actions.

I am rereading it after a fantastic visit to the Naval Air Museum in Pensacola last week. (recommended if you get a chance)


41 posted on 10/26/2010 5:20:32 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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