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To: lewislynn
OK, so in your world, the signers of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution who spoke of inalienable rights were making themselves the grantors of such rights for the sole fact of authoring and signing those documents?

When the next Pope comes along and contradicts the previous Pope who will be the grantor or dictator of your rights then

On matters of faith and morals, no Pope has ever contradicted a previous one in 2000 years, thanks to the Holy Spirit, because the Church is indefectible as per Our Lord's promise. On matters of prudential judgment, all popes have taught that we are free to disagree as long as faith and morals remain unprejudiced. See for instance what then Card. Ratzinger wrote to the US bishops in 2004:

Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.

what you fail to understand here is - among other things - that this post is directed to those leftist "Catholics" who call us "uncharitable" and "racist" when we say that the right to emigrate requires rules and respect for the identity of the country of adoption. It is false and hypocritical to say that to help the poor one has to abolish borders and law. In fact it is precisely lawlesness that multiplies poverty and exploitation. And when they cite unimportant or grossly misconstrued and out of context documents, we will have yet another teaching with which to counter their lies. Stop hating the Church and THINK before posting!!

23 posted on 10/26/2010 9:59:57 AM PDT by fabrizio (Restore the Republic!)
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To: fabrizio

Very well done.


29 posted on 10/26/2010 12:33:44 PM PDT by jla
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To: fabrizio; jla
OK, so in your world, the signers of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution who spoke of inalienable rights were making themselves the grantors of such rights for the sole fact of authoring and signing those documents?
Really? That's your rebuttal?

No one, not even the Pope, can grant inalienable rights. Sadly, nor has he ever tried to guarantee them.

Unlike the Pope, they didn't just speak of your rights, their signature makes the government (not the signers) the guarantor (not the grantor) of your god given inalienable rights ...Get it?

30 posted on 10/26/2010 1:26:07 PM PDT by lewislynn ( It's not going to be who wins a seat, rather it will be who loses a seat that will save America)
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