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US To Try Israeli Tank Protector
DoD Buzz ^ | 10/26/2010 | Colin Clark

Posted on 10/26/2010 11:26:13 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

Next month a Stryker combat vehicle will arrive in the US equipped for testing the Israeli’s Trophy active protection system. The Army has pursued active protection for years, most recently abandoning the Future Combat System’s active protection system developed by Raytheon. We understand at least one M-ATV will also get the radar– directed system. The M-ATV integration is more challenging, given the vehicle’s design.

The Israelis have already created a Merkava tank brigade with the Trophy system and plan to install it on all of those tanks. The Israeli system was designed and built by Rafael and is being displayed at the Association of the US Army conference here. The Trophy system basically tracks incoming RPGs and missiles with radar antenna mounted flush on the vehicle. Once the system identifies an imminent threat it deploys tiny explosively formed penetrators to destroy it, striking the target in the warhead

TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: israel; merkava; stryker; tank; trophy; usarmy

1 posted on 10/26/2010 11:26:18 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Interesting. IIRC, some months back the DoD (I think it was the DoD) was eschewing the Trophy system for the FCS, on the belief the end product would be superior to the already-available Trophy.

Either way, I’d be interested to see how Trophy works out for our guys. The old Soviet “Drozd” system is supposed to have worked quite well in Afghanistan. Of course, that was a different era when it comes to AT missiles/rockets. But then again, Trophy is probably a heck of a lot more sophisticated, too.

2 posted on 10/26/2010 11:48:06 PM PDT by DemforBush (You might think that, *I* could not possibly comment.)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Rafael Industries is a world class Israeli defense arms producer.

This is the first active tank protection system in the world. Its being installed on all Israeli Merkava tanks.

3 posted on 10/26/2010 11:54:40 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: DemforBush; goldstategop

A teeny, eeny, weeny Aegis system for vehicles.

I still can’t wrap my mind around that. You can’t stop progress.

4 posted on 10/27/2010 12:02:48 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: goldstategop

I totally agree on Rafael and their technological track record - however it is not the first active protection system for tanks in the world. The Russians have the claim to that.

6 posted on 10/27/2010 12:45:12 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

This MAY be related to the new RPG from Russia, which uses a shaped charge to send a stream of molten copper ( through at least one side of an M-1) They may have found that “reactive armor” was inadequate to stop it.


7 posted on 10/27/2010 12:45:45 AM PDT by DoorGunner ("Rom 11: until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so, all Israel will be saved")
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To: DemforBush

Russia still uses active protection systems on its tanks.

8 posted on 10/27/2010 2:58:47 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way...
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To: DoorGunner

I heard the israelis developed a system against shaped charges that uses the conductivity of the copper to make a electrical connection that vaporizes the copper at light speed before it penetrates the tank. Dont know much about how that works....

9 posted on 10/27/2010 4:56:02 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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10 posted on 10/27/2010 5:01:55 AM PDT by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: SJackson

This is a very interesting technical problem. One wonders at what ranges this will works? How is the clutter problem handled?

11 posted on 10/27/2010 5:12:14 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

More spending from the obese defense contractors. My solution to dense urban warfare, get something like ten armed Hughes 500s for every infantry battalion. Not assigned, but part of the unit. Give the zero to 2,500 air space to them. That airspace is now open and not/lightly contested. Why maneuver in just 2 dimensions? A company should have a light attack chopper assigned to it. In this case Army aviation has to become ordinary, like mechanized infantry was once a special corps, but is not so common as to be unthought of. I’d pull the pilots from E-7/8, from the unit. I’d also rotate the pilots back to the rank, making the pilot qualification common.

The trouble is Army aviation and defense contractors would want to load up the craft, requiring a bigger engine, bigger aircraft, less air frames....

The troops need a light, armed air jeep, produced the same, low costs, disposable.

12 posted on 10/27/2010 5:41:36 AM PDT by Leisler (They always lie, so much and for so long, that they no longer know what about.)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

I have seen the videos of the ‘successful tests’ of the system. It would seem that a dismount ‘might’ just be at some risk of being made dead from this system.

So, the old “Death before Dismount” would have some real season.....

Then again, I tend to see armour as a bullet magnet anyway.

13 posted on 10/27/2010 9:01:13 AM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: F15Eagle
Wow - about time

No truer words! America is still waiting on our multi-billin dollar contract for the same thing...still waiting.

14 posted on 10/28/2010 8:21:55 AM PDT by Karliner (Now this is not the end. .... But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning, Churchill 1942)
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15 posted on 10/28/2010 8:37:38 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany.")
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