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California Nightmare-in'
The American Thinker ^ | October 27, 2010 | Sally Zelikovsky

Posted on 10/27/2010 12:21:48 AM PDT by Scanian

It's November 3, 2010. You think you are waking up to a sunny California morning only to realize it's a dark, dark day. Jerry Brown is governor, Gavin Newsom is lieutenant governor, Kamala Harris is attorney general, and the rest of the Democrat ticket has prevailed. California is going to be controlled by San Francisco politics.

Got your attention now?

Tea Party folks have brought a refreshing candor to the conservative scene, demanding from conservative candidates a return to conservative principles. But we don't live in a perfect world. And in California, we live in a deeply skewed political landscape that requires finesse and strategic thinking to turn California red again. It cannot happen overnight, and those who try to make it happen today rather than tomorrow will be responsible for the worst-case, but not unlikely, nightmare scenario outlined above.

Many Tea Partiers aren't happy with the Republican choices for certain offices and are pushing voters to cast their ballots for last-minute conservative candidates who, they believe, more readily pass the conservative sniff test than some of their Republican counterparts. Admittedly, some of them just might be more conservative.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bayareapatriots; bluestate; brown; ca2010; cagop; conservativescantwin; cooley; democrats; diannelenning; electthemoderates; gavinnewsom; karenengland; maldonado; megwhitman; newsom; pragmatism; rinos; rinoscanwin; sallyzelikovsky; sanfranciscovalues; stevecooley; teaparty; tinysteps; voterino
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1 posted on 10/27/2010 12:21:51 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian

I live in California and I am sickened about the idiocy of my fellow Californians. I thought there was an ounce of hope. Nope. Their mostly a bunch of DOPES.


2 posted on 10/27/2010 12:27:36 AM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: Scanian
The only Republican on the ballot I am not voting for is Abel Maldonado. He permanently forfeited my vote when he voted with the DemonRats to pass the Arnold/Rat state budget.

Even if it means any-twosome-Newsome a heartbeat away from the governorship, I absolutely cannot vote for Maldonado. I will vote third party for Lt. Gov., but straight ticket R on the rest of the ballot.

3 posted on 10/27/2010 12:29:17 AM PDT by stillonaroll (Nominate a non-RINO in 2012!)
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To: stillonaroll

You can write in Karen England she is a conservative here is her info link.
http://karenengland4california.com/

I am not voting for Able either will not and no way would I vote for Gavin Newsome his hair scares me so here is another option.


4 posted on 10/27/2010 12:33:41 AM PDT by funfan
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To: funfan

I think Harris is going down. Steve is going to carry L.A country and a Dem is not going to win state wide without L.A


5 posted on 10/27/2010 12:34:42 AM PDT by Paul8148
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To: Scanian

As previously said, either folks wake up and elect those that are not going to destroy Democracy or they live with the results. Seems like California is not only still in a coma but will be there after the revolution.

When things creep up on you, you don’t notice... If they happen overnight, they get your attention. California seems to have been the test for creeping Socialism for several years now and they have not only NOT noticed, but embraced it. They will be the first State to not only go bankrupt, but also wear the crown of the first State to ignore the Constitution.

California - you have been first in many things, but you should NOT be first here...


6 posted on 10/27/2010 12:43:04 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Scanian

I’m just glad California is no longer my problem.


7 posted on 10/27/2010 12:50:56 AM PDT by Ronin (If he were not so gruesomely incompetent and dangerous, Obama would just be silly.)
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To: GOP Poet

You can always move to a red state!


8 posted on 10/27/2010 12:52:55 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: stillonaroll

The way I see it, realistically, my choices are Newsome or Maldonado.

I voted for Maldonado.


9 posted on 10/27/2010 1:01:10 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: stillonaroll

True Californian! Your vote will count just as long as California remains free - and that is not that long from now.

You folks seem to think that Government, pensions, welfare, etc., is a free item from the Federal Government. You are soon to be persuaded otherwise. When people don’t have jobs, they can NOT contribute to you pensions.

Oh heck, I feel like I’m talking to Democrats anyway - they are not going to change until California goes under.

Take Bell (and it’s corruption) and multiply it by 100 and you have California going broke - bankrupt! You silly folks living there continue to think that the gravy will continue flowing forever...

Since California continues to vote for Democrats and refuses to face the consequences of its actions, you deserve what is coming. Good Luck!

The detriment is that it just may bring down the US with it!


10 posted on 10/27/2010 1:06:58 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Scanian

Thanks for reminding me once again why I left and never looked back.


11 posted on 10/27/2010 1:09:31 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Obama--Playing a West Wing fantasy in a '24' world.)
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To: Scanian

Angela Davis as California’s Fair Political Practices Commission.

I’d like to see every Cal State Fire workers go on a two week strike next Santa Ana season in Aug.


12 posted on 10/27/2010 1:27:03 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Homosexuals oppose diversity.)
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To: Scanian

What folks fail to realize is the importance of California’s electoral votes.

The other states will cover this states debts.

And the DNC knows it.


13 posted on 10/27/2010 1:30:58 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Homosexuals oppose diversity.)
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To: Scanian

Jerry Brown is unbeatable... he is just well... California. The Republican bright spot is the Attorney General’s race - Kamala Harris’ position on the death penalty has hurt her.

The Golden State I think will be the exception to the Republican tsunami on Tuesday - it tilts so far Left, its no longer a bell-weather state.


14 posted on 10/27/2010 1:55:13 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: stillonaroll
The only Republican on the ballot I am not voting for is Abel Maldonado. He permanently forfeited my vote when he voted with the DemonRats to pass the Arnold/Rat state budget.

The same exact treachery was rendered by Mike Villines ("R" running for Insurance Commissioner)...I won't be voting for him either.

15 posted on 10/27/2010 2:42:35 AM PDT by Drago
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To: OCCASparky

Looking back could well turn one into a pillar of salt.


16 posted on 10/27/2010 2:44:57 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Let 'em pray to Baal, Gaia, Lucifer, the sun god, whatever; let's humbly ask God's Son for victory!)
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To: GOP Poet

I bet the California RINOS lose worse than the Delaware T-Partyer. I still think Delaware may be close. California is over the edge. They should be cut off from Fed money and allowed to go cold turkey. A total collapse would be a good lesson.


17 posted on 10/27/2010 2:54:20 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (the way to win this game is not to play)
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To: Deagle

Californians should dig out for better states. At least get residency elsewhere. It will have to hit rock bottom before a comeback can begin.


18 posted on 10/27/2010 2:56:56 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (the way to win this game is not to play)
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To: screaminsunshine

Absolutely! I really don’t understand why so many continue to maintain residence there. I can understand the desire for the environment but when do taxes and regulations overcome that?

I’m actually surprised that enough of the highly taxed individuals stick around to provide the money for the rest of the Californians. The weather is grand but eventually the taxes and regulations will eventually force them to move out.

Then what will California do - raise taxes again?


19 posted on 10/27/2010 3:00:41 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle

They will become a socialist utopia. Like Cuba.


20 posted on 10/27/2010 3:09:34 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (the way to win this game is not to play)
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To: NoLibZone

Not with a T-Party House. Starve them out.


21 posted on 10/27/2010 3:11:46 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (the way to win this game is not to play)
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To: screaminsunshine

Unfortunately, California will either bring down the US or cause enough problems that we might as well be Cuba...


22 posted on 10/27/2010 3:18:45 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle

They are too deep in the socialist death spiral to pull out. Epic fail will have to occur.


23 posted on 10/27/2010 3:26:02 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (the way to win this game is not to play)
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To: screaminsunshine

Well, just realize that if California fails, the US fails. They are too big of a part of the US that their failure can be taken lightly. Either we bail them out (more debt) or we become bankrupt as a nation.

California needs a Chris Cristie to save them but I doubt that anyone like him would have a chance there... The California legislature is still running in the 70’s with no relief in sight...


24 posted on 10/27/2010 3:35:07 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Scanian

bflr


25 posted on 10/27/2010 3:37:47 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Scanian

How can anyone have any sympathy for anyone in California. The majority has destroyed their own state and expect the government to protect them from everything from cockroach abuse to skinned knees on their children.

They make their bed and now lay in it to sleep.

California has gone far beyond the “tipping point” and will not return to normal. The best thing to do with California is to surgically remove it from the continental US and try to treat the cancer of liberalism that has infected the rest of the states as a result of the cancerous tumor called California.


26 posted on 10/27/2010 4:42:54 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything, it begins to rot.)
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To: DH; Deagle
The best thing to do with California is to surgically remove it from the continental US and try to treat the cancer of liberalism that has infected the rest of the states as a result of the cancerous tumor called California.

Ah good thinking! California receives $0.70 on the dollar for its tax revenue. Cut us off, and we're solvent! Of course, there will be an immediate tariff on all goods coming out of LA/Long Beach, so we'll be rolling in dough while the rest of the US sinks without the cash flow.

Great plan!

27 posted on 10/27/2010 7:54:16 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie

You need to get over yourself - you and all other Californians!

You have been living way beyond your means for decades and the piper has finally calling. It is time for your government to step up and cut spending (including most of all excessive government and their pensions). You either will help this happen or you will be part of the problem when California declares bankruptcy.

I do NOT want to support you and your overpaid union help nor do I want to allow you to continue your spending ways. You should be barred from ever borrowing again until your finances are in order.

When you do this, then get back to the Federal Government asking for help (again). Call Cristi if you need help!


28 posted on 10/27/2010 8:13:27 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle
You have been living way beyond your means for decades and the piper has finally calling.

Not as much as Montana or the Dakotas.

It is time for your government to step up and cut spending (including most of all excessive government and their pensions). You either will help this happen or you will be part of the problem when California declares bankruptcy.

Well DUH genius. I could say that about almost every government in the US.

I do NOT want to support you and your overpaid union help nor do I want to allow you to continue your spending ways.

I don't want you to either. But stop pretending that this State doesn't carry its weight, when it has and more for over a century. The East in particular has been milking the Western States for nearly ever, while precluding us from developing many of our resources in order to prop up their markets. Why do you think that it only the Western half of the content dominated by "Federal lands"? It was security for Federal debt being racked up by Eastern States!

When you do this, then get back to the Federal Government asking for help (again). Call Cristi if you need help!

When I need advice from stupid FReepers like you, I'll let you know.

29 posted on 10/27/2010 8:45:23 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Hmmm... Sound like a Californian!


30 posted on 10/27/2010 8:46:41 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Carry_Okie

Actually,

Montana and North or South Dakota do not nearly have the debt that California has (future pensions etc.).

“Well DUH genius. I could say that about almost every government in the US.”

Boy are you right! Unfortunately California leads the way and until you as a citizen recognize that, things will never change. Yes, there are other States in trouble but their legislatures are attempting to solve the problem by cutting expenses. Can’t say the same for California.

“But stop pretending that this State doesn’t carry its weight, when it has and more for over a century. The East in particular has been milking the Western States for nearly ever, while precluding us from developing many of our resources in order to prop up their markets. Why do you think that it only the Western half of the content dominated by “Federal lands”? It was security for Federal debt being racked up by Eastern States!”

Can’t disagree with most of this. Seems that the Federal Government is much to blame here...but the local government has to finally be serious about cutting their spending.

You still need a Chris Cristi to help you with the budget.


31 posted on 10/27/2010 8:57:51 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Carry_Okie

“California receives $0.70 on the dollar for its tax revenue. Cut us off, and we’re solvent!”

Seventy cents on 100 cents is a good thing??????? Wow! 70% of every dollar is taxed to support your liberal cause????

Furthermore, I would suggest that you attend a school in a less liberal state so that you could be able to calculate that a 70% tax is not adding to any type of solvency. Also, while at that school take geography so that you can be aware that there are two other major ports in two different states on the Pacific coast that handles shipping.


32 posted on 10/27/2010 9:10:16 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything, it begins to rot.)
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To: Scanian

Many here have come to expect the worst from the voters here... and we usually are not surprised when we see maroons masquerading as voters return the same idiots that drove this state into the weeds returned to office over and over again.

ask unions why that happens.. oh, and the courts too.


33 posted on 10/27/2010 9:23:08 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: Scanian

I suppose there’s truth to the idea, that you cannot “deprogram” the heavily brainwashed Kaifornians overnight.

But I’m sure having RINOS running the deprogramming, isn’t going to work either.


34 posted on 10/27/2010 9:31:42 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: DH
Seventy cents on 100 cents is a good thing??????? Wow! 70% of every dollar is taxed to support your liberal cause????

California is a state in which the wages are relatively high. That means we pay a disproportionate amount of INCOME TAXES. For every dollar of taxes Californians pay to the feds, $0.70 comes back as Federal expenditures.

Got it now? Good grief.

As to whether I'm a liberal, not only did you not read what I wrote, but you've apparently missed the many original articles I've posted here on FR over the last ten years, all of which were quite well received. So, you are both stupid, and too lazy to have done a simple article search on me.

So, why should I listen to you?

35 posted on 10/27/2010 10:15:29 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Deagle
Montana and North or South Dakota do not nearly have the debt that California has (future pensions etc.).

No, what I said was that, as States, they are welfare queens for Federal money.

Boy are you right! Unfortunately California leads the way and until you as a citizen recognize that, things will never change.

CCG, can you please explain to me why this site has become so infested with such lazy loudmouths who can't even check out the person to whom they're posting?

You still need a Chris Cristi to help you with the budget.

We HAVE one. His name is Tom McClintock. Had he run alone against Cruz Bustamante in the recall of 2002, Gallup said he would have won. Instead, the RINOs set up by Carl Rove put up Schwarzenegger, and the rest is history.

Thank you Texas. You were saying?

36 posted on 10/27/2010 10:20:46 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: calcowgirl
Sorry I meant to copy you on the above for your entertainment.
37 posted on 10/27/2010 10:21:44 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie

It’s okay to disagree without flaming (twice)... I don’t think that I used personal attacks against you - against the State of California yes... That’s okay, maybe that is a California thing... Have a good one...


38 posted on 10/27/2010 10:34:49 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle
I don’t think that I used personal attacks against you -

Bet me. Here is what you said,

Wow! 70% of every dollar is taxed to support your liberal cause????

My "liberal cause"? My ass. After 62 threads on FR in ten years, most of them original material, and after over 35,000 posts, you call me a liberal and you'll get it crammed down your throat.

I've done more to stem the tide in this State than just about anybody here, taking a hit on over $1.25 million in income in the process and spending over $150,000 cash out of pocket. So before flinging crap like that around, I suggest you check a poster's history and read a little more carefully.

39 posted on 10/27/2010 10:46:32 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Sorry, that was a generic liberal cause - not you specifically...


40 posted on 10/27/2010 10:51:37 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Carry_Okie; SierraWasp; Czar; ElkGroveDan; tubebender; CounterCounterCulture; NormsRevenge; ...
CCG, can you please explain to me why this site has become so infested with such lazy loudmouths who can't even check out the person to whom they're posting?

Nope.

It appears that "bash California" is just the fashionable thing to do, facts be damned. And if it means calling freepers names, misrepresenting their posts, or throwing out mindless (and untrue) accusations, it's just part of the game. It would help if some of these folks actually read what you posted, though.

You seem to be doing just fine setting the record straight, but I'll add a few:

States whose pension liability per capita is worse than California's: Minnesota, Wyoming, New Mexico, Hawaii, Colorado, Wisconsin, New Jersey, Illinois, Connecticut, Alaska, Ohio, Rhode Island (the last 4 being 35%-55% greater than CA)

States whose debt liability per capita is worse than California's: Rhode Island, Illinois, Washington, Delaware, New York, New Jersey, Hawaii,Massachusetts, Connecticut (the last 4 states listed have more than 2X the per capita debt as CA)

States whose Gross State Product ($Bil) per capita is less than California: All of them!

Maybe they will go play in another sandbox for a while.

The last infestation gave us Schwarzenegger as Governor.

41 posted on 10/27/2010 2:29:38 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("In politics the middle way is none at all." -- John Adams)
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To: calcowgirl

Meant to post link for source:
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/44/debt-10_Global-Debt-Crisis_Rank.html


42 posted on 10/27/2010 2:38:54 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("In politics the middle way is none at all." -- John Adams)
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To: Carry_Okie; calcowgirl

Good Job CO! I’m 77, been retired 18 years and still pay more in Fed taxes then 80% of Texans...


43 posted on 10/27/2010 2:59:41 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: calcowgirl
Lets just hope the current infestation doesn't bring us Jerry Brown, the godfather of state employee unionization. Meg Whitman may well turn out to be another Arnold, but at least going in she has a chance to demonstrate she intends to do far better. Am I optimistic? No.
44 posted on 10/27/2010 4:42:55 PM PDT by Czar (NRA Life Member)
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To: Czar

“.......Meg Whitman may well turn out to be another Arnold, but at least going in she has a chance to demonstrate she intends to do far better. Am I

Meg Whitman has made it very clear that she is going to be a Mitt Romney style Governor. Mittens and Meg are well acquainted with each other and they are fast friends. Heck, Mitt even moved to California to help her with her campaign. Can you spell RINO?

Meg better than Arnold? No way.....she’ll be magnatudes worse. Still she’ll be better than Moonbeam Brown hands down.

Go Home East Coasters...... leave California alone! Go back to MA, go back to NY, NJ, MD, PA, etc etc.


45 posted on 10/27/2010 4:57:02 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (Down the Donks! Revolution is Brewing. Make Babs Boxer a part of history....today!)
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To: Deagle

We are bankrupt as a nation and the sooner we file the better.


46 posted on 10/27/2010 5:03:02 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (the way to win this game is not to play)
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To: Czar

I share in your optimism — or lack thereof.

[My attempt at saying something nice of the situation, LOL]


47 posted on 10/27/2010 7:46:03 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("In politics the middle way is none at all." -- John Adams)
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To: NormsRevenge

Do you share the opinion that a major problem in CA is that too many “makers” have left, leaving the state for the most part to “takers?”


48 posted on 10/28/2010 3:07:17 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian
California's budget problems cannot be solved without a direct and ugly confrontation with public employee unions and public pensions. IF you believe that Meg Whitman has an appetite for that direct and ugly confrontation, then her election could make a real difference for California. However, IF you believe that she lacks that appetite, then California may actually be better off in the long run with Brown. The worst outcome would be the election of another moderate Republican who will not take on the ugly fight that is necessary.

IF Meg is elected and goes after the public employee unions, she will have to take on such groups as the cops, the teachers, the firefighters and the prison guards. She will have to reduce prison populations. She will be vilified from one end of the state to another. She will be painted as an enemy of education and weak on criminal justice. Governor of California will almost certainly be her last elected position and she will be unlikely to win a second term.

Why would anyone in her right mind spend over 100 million dollars for this?

49 posted on 10/28/2010 3:31:11 AM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: Forty-Niner
Today's Field Poll shows Moonbeam 10 points ahead of Meg, so continued speculation on how she might govern is probably becoming a somewhat useless exercise regardless of who is doing the speculating. I was merely pointing out that, going in she at least has a chance to do something positive; I don't expect it but we can't call her an "Arnold" until she is in office and starts demonstrating Arnoldian tendencies, which I have little doubt that she would. Right now, it appears she won't have the opportunity.

Rather than saying "...she will be better than Moonbeam Brown hands down" I would put it that she will not be as bad as Jerry Brown (it would be very difficult for anybody to hit that depth of abject failure). I agree with your east coasters comment.

50 posted on 10/28/2010 5:34:00 PM PDT by Czar (NRA Life Member)
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