Skip to comments.Why Do Jews Vote for Their Enemies?
Posted on 10/27/2010 7:23:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
American blacks vote Obama for the color of his skin. American Leftists vote O because they hope he will shaft this country more royally than anybody else has so far.
So what excuse do the Jews have? The black and the radical leftist vote O for reasons I can understand. Obama is black, even if his life experience has no relationship to the average American black person -- none at all. And Obama is a radical, so even the radicals have a reason. However, why does Obama keep has favorable standing with American Jews? It makes no sense.
With his favoritism for Muslims, by trying constantly to undermine the elected government of Israel and by constantly reaching out to a Hitler-wannabe in Iran, Obama has made it clear enough what side he's on. His friends Jodie Evans of Code Pink and Bill Ayers agitated for the Gaza flotilla that turned into a planned PR disaster for Israel. His administration supports the grotesque and shameful farce of Iran, the Sudan, and Libya sitting on the U.N. Human Rights Council. Those are genocidal, torturing, and utterly reactionary regimes. And that's just the start of Obama's bitter hatred of Israel and Western values. There's more coming -- you betcha.
American Jews are voting against their plain self-interest. They voted for someone who listened to J-Wright ranting against Jews and whites for twenty years. Wright is a race-hater, pure and simple, and he hates Whitey and the Jews. What's more, Michelle Obama is the daughter of a Chicago ward boss who grew up in that atmosphere, rife with Louis Farrakahn and the Black Muslims, J-Wright, and the ranting Father Pfleger. Michelle grew up with the Jesse Jackson family, and we know where Jesse stands. Put all that together, and you get classical Jew-hating. It's obvious to anybody who pays attention.
Obama's pal George Soros helped set up the phony front group J Street, which specializes in undermining Israel while claiming to defend it; it's classical Stalinist agitprop. Anybody could find that out. Granted that the media tried to cover it all up, but it's on the web, for goodness' sake. Use your fingers and it's right there.
Jews have the reputation of being intelligent, and academically, they often are. But Jewish smart people seem to be -- how shall I say this? -- incapable of thinking straight about politics. Once many Jews figure out what side in politics they are rooting for, they are stuck for life. No facts, no matter how persuasive, will change their minds. This is nuts. It is certainly not intelligent. In politics, American Jews seem to be idiots savant: Very bright in one part of life, but with big islands of ignorance, denial, and wishful thinking.
And yes, some of my best friends, and all that.
I can make up all kinds of imaginary reasons. Back in Europe it was the socialists and Soviets who ultimately did the most harm to the Nazis, so Eastern European Jews were drawn into that horrific maelstrom and chose the only side that wasn't systematically threatening and killing Jews. But that's historically one-sided. George Soros infamously grew up in Hungary selling the (stolen) furniture and art of the Jews who were marched to the concentration camp. Liberal Jews still admire the man.
Jews are attracted to the fantasy world of the lion lying down with the lamb. But reality tells us it hasn't happened yet, and the chances that peace will break out all over are not high. The Left constantly runs that sucker play, and American Jews fall for it. I've talked with Jewish friends, and I keep trying to figure it out. Can't they spot a cruel scam when they see it? Where is their intelligence?
The Jews in Europe had a very bad time with Catholics and Orthodox of various stripes, especially in Poland and Russia. And yet the European Enlightenment that started the liberation of Jews from the medieval ghetto was created by many Christians and some Jews. Historically, Christianity has both anti-Semitic elements and philo-Semitic ones, as the historian Paul Johnson points out in his history of the Jews. Listen to Mozart's Requiem Mass. Half the text comes from the Hebrew Bible.
A billion Muslims in the world are exposed to classic anti-Semitic hate propaganda. You can see it day by day on the MEMRI website, with straight translations from the Persian and Arab language media. Hate-Jew cartoons are all over those Islamic media. Hitler's Mein Kampf sells like hotcakes in Egypt. The Saudis sponsored a truly filthy TV series shown throughout the Arab world based on the Elders of Zion, the phony czarist anti-Jewish propaganda tale. (It features those folks with caricatured Shylock faces who are constantly plotting to take over the world, talking like Snidely Whiplash and rubbing their hand in glee while they are preparing to kill a Christian baby for Passover.) This is sleazy, nasty, hateful, and moronic stuff. Arab audiences in Egypt and Iran just love it. They are mental throwbacks to the Dark Ages.
And yet, American Jews vote for Obama. Now, Obama himself is careful to avoid any appearance of militant hatred of Jews. He just inveighs against "Wall Street Fat Cats" and "Neo-cons" and protects Black Muslims who are caught in voter intimidation in Philadelphia. A lot of those targets of abuse are Jews, and a lot of them sort of agree with Obama's rants against capitalism. But capitalism frees people, and the Jews, who have suffered more than their share of oppression, should recognize that instantly.
Half of American Jews are women. Women are badly used and abused both sexually and physically throughout the Islamic world. So are gay people. So are Christians who profess a religion that does not elevate Muhammad as the last prophet. Jews by the million have been forced to leave Muslim countries and are now settled in Israel and America. Every other day Ahmadinejad issues another nuclear threat against Tel Aviv. The Muslim Brotherhood, which inspired Hamas, has acted to destroy Jews and Israelis since its World War II alliance with Hitler. Jimmy Carter is a big fan of Hamas and brought that other medieval throwback, Ayatollah Khomeini, into power, thereby driving Jews and other Iranians out of that country.
And still the Jews vote 70-plus percent for their enemies.
Two plus two does not equal four.
This is not adult, rational behavior. It is not intelligent. It is not wise or benevolent. It is not charitable toward the weak and oppressed peoples of the earth. It is not good for future generations. And as 97 percent of the Israeli public has decided, Obama is very bad for Israel; after all, he's done nothing visible about Iranian nukes, which are the biggest genocidal danger to Israel ever. A second Holocaust has never been closer. Obama's backed off now for the election, but he'll be back at Netanyahu's throat as soon as the election is past. His White House "advisors" are all for shafting Israel but good. It's their substitute for sane foreign policy.
Something isn't right here. People usually don't vote for those who hate them and who constantly act in alliance with genocidal haters like Hamas and the Iranian fascisti.
Something isn't right.
Now watch the midterm elections, when the country will render its first verdict on Obama and his cronies in office, on the recession, the insanely high budgets, Obama's friendly alliances with ranting enemies of America and Israel.
I'll bet that Obama's crew gets more than 50 percent of the Jewish vote in the midterms.
Perhaps they don’t consider them enemies, or they vote for what they believe to be the lesser of two evils?
Be careful how you put it about liberal Jews on this website, and whatever you do, don’t make any connection to the past... you’ll get zinged.
...Wait a minute, I told it wrong.
Here, Im startin over: How come it
takes three Pollacks to screw in a
I dont know, Glen.
Cause theyre so durn stupid!
(”Raising Arizona”, Coen Brothers, 1987)
Norman Podhoretz, Why are Jews Liberals?
American Jews are leftists FIRST, Jews only if convenient or profitable.
Liberal Jews feel guilty about being successful due to their own hard work and have a subconscious desire to be punished for their success. The radical left is all too happy to accommodate them.
The right has the Christians. Some Jews despise the name of Christ. They won't even say his name.
God sent them a King, and they rejected him. Along will come another, and it is he they will accept (which will lead to their own demise).
This is changing, however, because many of them are coming to understand that in spite of their delusions of moral superiority and Uber-Enlightenment, the Muslim Brotherhood will still not kill them last. They kind of remind me of some European Jews in the 1930's who refused to believe what was happening, because they thought the German's were too civilized to try to kill them all.
I’ll bet that Obama’s crew gets more than 50 percent of the Jewish vote in the midterms.
I’ll see your 50 and raise you 20. The dems will get their guaranteed allotment of 70% of the Jewish vote.
How realistic either of these are in fact, I don't know. They at least offer a starting point for discussion.
RE: The right has the Christians. Some Jews despise the name of Christ
This makes little sense. The Christian right is one of the strongest if not the strongest supporter of Israel in the world.
Also, if they despise Christ, why do they choose to live in a country that is close to 80% Christian?
Freedom. I agree with the prior poster. They hate Christians more than the Marxists.
Of the Jews that I have known, the great divide on the whether they were liberal and gullible, or conservative and prudent, was whether they were secular or religious.
As with everyone else, big city or small town domiciles seemed to make a difference too, but not as telling as their level of religious involvement.
Just this gentile’s experience over the years.
The way you relate to God determines the way you relate to others. Jews are taught they are the chosen people. The status comes with a burden, they will be targets of hate and oppression from nonbelievers. Their recent history (Holocaust) reinforces this concept even amongst secular Jews. Being a minority in all nations of the world, the Jewish survival model is reliance on big government for protection, and the way to do so is to possess unique technical skills needed by the ruling class and from it derive their ability to influence such government. If given a choice of a pro Jewish authoritarian government vs trusting the majority population, the Jews will lean towards government even if the government is not popular with its own majority population. For the Jews, a strong central government is one of the many safeguards against a non Jewish majority whom are by nature will be or can be anti Jewish (because of the belief of the status chosen people and the consequences of such Godly status). This pro big and powerful government tendency will make the Jewish fears of an anti Jewish majority come true especially when Jews would support a strong and big government even if it is authoritarian and unpopular with the majority non Jewish population. That is why Jews in general will make alliances with what we deem anti Jewish groups, because these groups are also minorities in the general population who want a strong central government to keep the majority population in check. Example Jews will side with an anti Jewish Muslim (big gov) movement then an anti Jewish KKK (small gov) movment. For the Jews it is better to support a coalition for big government and deal with the anti Jewish elements within the coalition then to live in a small gov nation and be at the mercy of the majority population.
American Jews are in a pickle. The race card and gay card now trump the persecution card.
I work with a Nobama-loving Jew. Considering that Nobama is a card-carrying muslim Jew hater who, along with his fellow muslims, would rather annihilated Israel, I cannot figure out why she’d have anything to do with him.
Rush summed it up fairly well one day by saying that libs are all emotion . . . no logic . . . no common sense . . . strictly emotional . . . which go to show why “blacks” who have been historically murdered, assassinated and abused by the Democratic party are still their best friends . . . all emotional.
They don't live in Israel. They live here. To them, it's a burdensome stone. If it weren't for Israel, they'd be "loved" and no longer a "target".
Also, if they despise Christ, why do they choose to live in a country that is close to 80% Christian?
If you were Jewish, would YOU want to live anywhere else?
They also have allowed their heritage to be demeaned with a constant string of lib Jewish comedians that have made it “acceptable” to lampoon their culture in a way that would be considered an “hate crime” if it came from anyone else.
It becomes cool to be a Jewish person and treat themself as a walking punchline, bringing out their heritage, or a stray Yiddish word, only when they need a laugh from their non-Jewish lib friends so they can “fit in”.
So when lefty politicians bash on Israel, they either join in or shrug there shoulders, because that’s the place where they take their Jewish-ness too seriously. Soooo uncool.
I am a Jew and have voted Conservative/Republican since GHWB. While some of what you say may be true about the secular vs religious. It seems to be in most Jews DNA going back to at least FDR. Even though FDR screwed them. Whatever the case I come from a family of all Dems I am the lone black sheep. When GWB was running I asked a family member why not vote for W the answer I was given was no no more Bushes. A ridiculous statement with no reason for voting against the man but what you expect from 80% of the Jews.
I imagine it would be good to actually ask Jews why.
Wow. Your theory of Jewish liberalism is the most sensible one I have heard.
Are you saying it cannot be true because it makes little sense or that it makes little sense even though it is true?
“Jewish people are not very smart politically.”
Yeah. That Benjamin Disraeli, Leon Trotsky and Golda Meir were all political stumblebums.
Jews have been politically astute (and blessed) enough to survive as a distinct people and culture for over 4,000 years. Who identifies themselves anymore as Mycenaean, Etruscan, Vandal, Toltec or Avar? The DNA is still in circulation to be sure, but as social or political entities, they are barely remembered footnotes and artifacts.
A more interesting question is why conservatives are so obsessed with less than 2% of the voting population. Some moral doubt that demands Jewish approval?
regular libs view America and the West as one long pageantry of White Christian Males (mostly) committing crimes against humanity of a racial, ethnic, gender, and religious nature and that trumps any fear of any enemy otherwise. Basically they hate what we are in their eyes more than what is trying to destroy us both.
They were the same about Communism then as they now are about Islam and in the case of Jews and Communsim the relationship was even more in depth.
Which brings about what makes Jews even more susceptible to leftism or in their eyes questioning the status quo and changing it.
There is the Jewish tradition of always questioning the norm in wherever they live, this is encouraged more I think than in Christian homes. There is the tradition of always striving to be exclusive outside of the plurality ...except in Israel.
There is the notion of Tikkun Olam...always create a better place. And finally no Messiah yet so in the meanwhile work on creating the perfect “man” and environment for him.
and just in some cases 140 years of left leaning traditions makes conservatism a tall order for most Jews.
God bless the ones who've seen the light. I was born into it. many of them had to seek it out and holiday dinners are still tense I'd reckon.
I concur. Christianity and Christ are bigger threats to their psyche than living as slaves under Marxism.
Funny, though - America isn’t hated by the world and by muzzies because of Israel.
Israel is hated because it is a Western thumb-in-the-eye of the backwards middle eastern muzzie nations.
It’s both actually. They live here because it’s freer than anywhere they have ever lived since Biblical times and even then life under a King...no matter how inspiring he was...wasn’t “free” as we know it.
But they fear and distrust and maybe just don’t like Christian culture because of the conflict and to some degree a clash of values.
It runs deep. I had a Jewish gal friend who quit talking to me after 2004, she was just so pissed that Bush won again.
I am amazed that may Jews are at the vanguard of supprting efforts to futher and further kill traditional culture and Christian influence here but turn a blind eye to the clear and present danger of Islam.
Won’t be a shortage of Kapos this go around God forbid.
I can attest to that. I used to be somebody else. :-)
whoa dude...you are a deep thinker...you shoulda written this piece for the Thinker
decent insight though I must say
man I have studied Jews since I went to school with a Shulmeister and a Shornik.
and 8 years in Manhattan, time in Ramat Gan and 4 years in Miami
Israelis are different actually..much less angsty than US Jews...
but this stuff runs real deep...no question...
I respect those who shake this off a lot
That's a good question, but the Jewish effect on American elections comes FAR less from their participation at the ballot box than from their over-representation in our radical left-wing "mainstream" media, particularly at the highest levels.
Those jews who trust the Elohim of the Torah vote conservative.
Very broad brush to paint with. shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Those jews who trust the Elohim of the Torah vote conservative.
They are also over-represented among conservative thinkers, as in the first editorial board of the National Review, which started the modern conservative movement.
Even Orthodox publications will endorse liberal Democrats and begin their excuses with "as a minority . . . " That's all they have become. A "minority." And "minorities" must stand up for the atheists, the "gays," the pederasts, and the pornographers or else the "rednecks" will be coming for them next.
Completely forgotten is that the Jewish mission is to spread Universal Noachide Morality, not to survive as a "minority" by joining a coalition against it. Rabbi Moshe Feinstein (zt"l) was the Gadol of his generation, and he ruled that it is forbidden to vote for any politician who doesn't respect Universal Noachide Morality. But now all that matters is being safe as a "minority" along with moslems and "gays."
I've actually read a piece in an Orthodox Jewish publication (not necessarily reflecting that publication's editorial policy, but it did run it) which said that even though homosexuality is contrary to the Noachide Laws, Jews must protect the right to violate Noachide Laws in order to protect the right to observe mitzvot (apparently in the sick little minds of the authors, the two were connected).
Yes, the Bible Belt's ignorance of post-Biblical, pre-modern history is very real. Sometimes I wish that ignorance were a little more widespread, at least in the Jewish community.
The above represents the views of the poster only, and no one else.
More and more Jews agree more with Christian supporters of Israel than they do with other Jews who have drunk the coolaid of today’s aberrant form of liberalism.
RE: from their over-representation in our radical left-wing “mainstream” media, particularly at the highest levels.
Didn’t Rick Sanchez get fired for openly making that observation ? (he implied that CNN was run by Jews ).
it’s more than just the media
it’s academia and social activist groups too
basically the vanguard of the left...examine the upheavals from the early 60s on and who the leaders were...nearly all the radical student leaders were 30 something year old Jewish pied pipers...lol...i think they were really there for the co-eds
if it was just voting who’d notice?
Then why is traditional American culture viewed as the greater of two evils?
that is the question
They are stuck in the meme of the crusades and inquisition. Just this weekend I read an article here on FR that the Jews pushed to close a voting center that was run by messianic jews, even though they don’t have one in the area that can handle the handicapped.
They view Christianity as an enemy. It just isn’t percolating down to them that we are their strongest friends. They are like the blacks that vote so strongly democrat, even though when you talk to blacks you find their values conservative. They vote to destroy themselves because of some cultural leftover.
I guess it is the nature of people to keep voting for a party even after their party has left them behind.
I think there is now more distance between Old World change the world idealism from the grand and great grand parents who came over from eastern Europe and the kids today
some increase in disavowing the love of collectivism
but it’s still a haul
it’s funny but no matter how much they rile me, some of my favorite conservatives are Jewish...Levin...he and Limbaugh are my two favorites
but there is a lot of work to do
if more Jews lived in the country, went to range monthly that might help
I guess you’d have to ask a Jewish person that voted that way.
Guilt can make even nice people do strange things.
In addition to Zionist Conspirators points, I would add the following. Christianity historically, has in fact been a threat to the Jews. Early Christian Rome, The Crusades, The Inquisition, The European Pogroms, National Expulsions, from Britian, Poland, Spain and other European countries and finally Christian nations and "the church" who during the holocaust, could have done more to stop the Nazi's from genocide. There were also thousands that were turned their Jewish neighbors into the Nazis.
So overall, the Jewish people have had a long history of physical danger as well as the ever present taunts of "Christ killers", Blood libels, discrimination (it has only been in the last 50 years or less that Jews are allowed into private clubs and organizations)
So, do Jews just forget? No. Yes, the Evangelical Right supports Jews and that is great. But lets face it, it is because they believe A)G-d tells them to bless Israel and B) The belief the salvation of the Jews is part of their eschatology.
Another point to remember is that most of the Jews who came here were Askenazi Jews of western Europe. They were going through a reform movement in the 1800's that was much more assimilation friendly. In the Reform, they do not follow the commandments literally but as a guideline. The end result is liberalism and spiritually dead Judaism. The government should procure rights for minorities (Jews) and that other minorities should be granted rights and redistribution of wealth. Orthodox Jews are much more like their Conservative Christian counterparts.
All this aside, one omission the author makes, is that 54% of Catholics voted for Obama and 46% of Protestants. Even 25% of Evangelicals, 1 in 4, voted Obama. These groups elected Obama. Not the Jews.
G-d told us it would be this way anyway!
Ezekiel 36:19 I dispersed them among the nations, and they were scattered through the countries; I judged them according to their conduct and their actions. 20 And wherever they went among the nations they profaned my holy name, for it was said of them, 'These are the LORD's people, and yet they had to leave his land.' 21 I had concern for my holy name, which the house of Israel profaned among the nations where they had gone.
22 "Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. 23 I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Sovereign LORD, when I show myself holy through you before their eyes.
Socialists have been slaughtering Jews for years. They just want to be the last one’s the alligator eats.
“Christianity and Christ are bigger threats to their psyche than living as slaves under Marxism.”
IIRC, in the O.T., when wandering through the desert, they complained about all the stuff they missed, and intimated they’d prefer going back to being slaves in Egypt than being uncomfortable and headed for a better place. I’m not criticizing; just saying. Discernment wasn’t their strong suit.
Our dearest friends are Jewish. At least they had the good sense to NOT vote for Obama in ‘08. They aren’t the political junkies that we are, but said that “something just doesn’t feel right about Obama’>
We need to end that way of thinking ! The rest of us get punished as well.
Remember the socialist, I mean democrats are not about you enjoying life and being free to make your own decision, they want to treat you like you are step children and they are the step mother, get in your way of succeeding, punish you arbitrarily for no reason and in order for them to feel good about themselves, they put you down !
> Liberal Jews feel guilty about being successful due to their own hard work and have a subconscious desire to be punished for their success. The radical left is all too happy to accommodate them.
Here are the answers.
#1. The media in this country is liberal and so are all bodies of public and higher education. Jews are good at education and they have learned since age 2 to follow what they learn.
#2. Jews have big mouths and they are usually quite verbal and quick. They tend to be honest, sarcastic, and even harsh with their loved ones and friends. While the goyim wring their hands when their kids go off the reservation, Jews SLAM and verbally devastate theirs.
That’s all you need to know. I am a conservative Jew, the only one in my entire extended family. In this position, you are alternatively avoided or patronized at family gatherings. Thanksgiving after the 2000 election (when we still didn’t for sure have a President elected), we had to make a No Politics rule at the table. Two years in a row at the Chanukah bash, I was given the same Wit of Bob Dole book. That was as far as they could think about what conservatives would want.
Huge generalizations, of course, and I must mention that our Orthodox communities are full of bright, informed people who understand that Obama is Amalek, our traditional and forever enemy.
But the average liberal Jew is liberal before Jewish, knows virtually nothing about his own religion, doesn’t keep most of the commandments, and is scared to DEATH of being mocked by his wife, friends, family, if he were to say he would vote Republican. They will give him sh**, and he can’t hack it. (However, in this current election in CA, I have heard from some liberal Jews that they do not want Brown or Boxer. They have not been chewed out that much for it.)