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Pope Benedict says migrants have duty to integrate
BBC ^ | October 26, 2010

Posted on 10/27/2010 2:03:58 PM PDT by NYer

Pope Benedict has called on immigrants to respect the laws and national identity of their host countries.

He said that every country had the right to regulate the flow of migration and immigrants had a duty to integrate.

The Pope's comments are likely to add to the Europe-wide debate about integration of foreigners.

The Vatican traditionally identifies with migrants and refugees and recently criticised France for deporting 1,000 Roma (gypsies) to Romania and Bulgaria.

During the summer, about 200 camps were dismantled.

The policy aroused a sharp response from the EU and prompted the Pope to tell French pilgrims they should "accept legitimate human diversity".

More recently, he met French President Nicolas Sarkozy in what was seen as an attempt to repair relations.

'One family'

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has also entered the debate on immigration, arguing that attempts to build a multicultural society have "utterly failed".

Like the pope, she called on immigrants to do more to integrate.

In his message to mark the Roman Catholic Church's World Day of Migrants and Refugees next January, Pope Benedict said there should be "one family of brothers and sisters in societies that are becoming ever more multi-ethnic and intercultural".

Archbishop Antonio Veglio, head of the Vatican's migration commission, told a news conference that it would be "ideal" if every government had a policy of "integration, of multiculturalism, a positive approach to immigrants... which is missing at the moment".

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
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1 posted on 10/27/2010 2:04:00 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 10/27/2010 2:04:53 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

His Holines is right about that.


3 posted on 10/27/2010 2:05:13 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Crolis

Thank you for the link!


4 posted on 10/27/2010 2:05:49 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer
Yeah, Papa! I said as much in my letter to the USCCB regarding immigration a couple of years ago.
5 posted on 10/27/2010 2:07:42 PM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: NYer

“accept legitimate human diversity”
Most people have no problem accepting legitimate human diversity. It’s the freeloading and violence they can’t accept.


6 posted on 10/27/2010 2:11:10 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: don-o

Ping to you and the missus.


7 posted on 10/27/2010 2:11:46 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: NYer
Yeah, Papa! I said as much in my letter to the USCCB regarding immigration a couple of years ago.

Fixed the link...

8 posted on 10/27/2010 2:12:06 PM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: NYer

You adopt them your grace, and stay out of our business.


9 posted on 10/27/2010 2:14:06 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: NYer

Even if it means illegally!

Catholic Legal Immigration Network
http://cliniclegal.org/
In 2007, CLINIC created a new project to support advocates working to address the growing number of anti-immigrant measures proposed and introduced at the state and local levels. After the collapse of comprehensive immigration reform in 2007, approximately 500 immigration related bills were introduced by state legislators. By 2008, the number of proposed immigration-related bills had tripled to 1,562. Nearly every state legislature had introduced a bill related to immigration. Through the project, CLINIC provides legal analysis, training, technical assistance, and support to advocates working to combat anti-immigrant legislation and ordinances, many of which are far reaching and penalize not only the undocumented, but their families, business owners, and others who interact with them. Contact CLINIC staff attorney Karen Herrling at kherrling@cliniclegal.org for more information.


10 posted on 10/27/2010 2:14:58 PM PDT by TSgt (Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho - 44th and current President of the United States)
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To: NYer
He (the Pope) said that every country had the right to regulate the flow of migration and immigrants had a duty to integrate.

I hope the US Conference of Catholic Bishops is listening!!

11 posted on 10/27/2010 2:16:05 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: TSgt

Just cause a group calls itself ‘Catholic’, doesn’t mean it’s created by or part of, the Vatican.


12 posted on 10/27/2010 2:18:51 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: NYer

How about a “duty” NOT to “migrate” if they have no LEGAL right to “migrate” where they are migrating to.

Again, he speaks with forked-tongue by denying the other half of the issue and addressing only part of the issue when it comes to DUTIES.


13 posted on 10/27/2010 2:28:42 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: SuziQ
Just cause a group calls itself ‘Catholic’, doesn’t mean it’s created by or part of, the Vatican.

True, except for in this case where it was established by USCCB.

In 1988, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) established CLINIC as a legally distinct 501(c)(3) organization to support a rapidly growing network of community-based immigration programs. CLINIC's network originally comprised 17 programs. It has since increased to 185 diocesan and other affiliated immigration programs with 290 field offices in 48 states. The network employs roughly 1,200 attorneys and "accredited" paralegals who, in turn, serve 600,000 low-income immigrants each year. CLINIC and its member agencies represent low-income immigrants without reference to their race, religion, gender, ethnic group, or other distinguishing characteristics.
14 posted on 10/27/2010 2:34:20 PM PDT by TSgt (Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho - 44th and current President of the United States)
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To: NYer

that ain’t gonna go down well with all of the Sanctuary Churches in this country


15 posted on 10/27/2010 2:43:44 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog; NYer; antceecee

Right. The Holy Father now fits in to Cardinal Mahony’s “Nazi” category. What rich irony.


16 posted on 10/27/2010 2:47:08 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: NYer

Illegal immigration bookmark.


17 posted on 10/27/2010 2:56:01 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Wuli
Said the Pope, "every country had the right to regulate the flow of migration"

You do nothing but seek to smear mud on the Pope and attempt to imply that he favors illegal immigration. Please, check your facts before launching mindless attacks.

18 posted on 10/27/2010 2:58:56 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat.)
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To: Wuli
"How about a “duty” NOT to “migrate” if they have no LEGAL right to “migrate” where they are migrating to."

I suspect that's covered by "respect the laws" of the host country (i.e. you can not enter a country illegally and show respect for its laws).

19 posted on 10/27/2010 3:00:05 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: boomop1
Stay out of our business? The Pope comes out against illegal immigration, and you tell him to ‘stay out of our business’? Are you that hateful of the Holy Father, or is it that you favor illegal immigration?
20 posted on 10/27/2010 3:01:04 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat.)
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To: Celtic Cross
Interesting question.

Which is more important...to Hate Catholics and, thus, support illegal immigration.

Or to oppose illegal immigration but admit that the Pope is right.

Dang, that's a really tough choice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You may have really stumped some people with that one.

21 posted on 10/27/2010 3:16:36 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley

Well played.


22 posted on 10/27/2010 3:24:08 PM PDT by don-o ("At this point, Islam is just surging into a vacuum" - Mrs Don-o)
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To: NYer; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

Ping!

Aliens from a slightly different perspective...


23 posted on 10/27/2010 3:30:15 PM PDT by HiJinx (I can see November from my front porch - and Mexico from the back.)
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To: Celtic Cross

I have the most respect for the Pope it seams as if this country is far exceeding his wishes, we must eat cake and like it..


24 posted on 10/27/2010 3:59:30 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: NYer
Rock on, Holy Father.

Hyphenation is bad for civilization.

25 posted on 10/27/2010 4:32:09 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (defeat islam (with music). or should that be, "by any means necessary"? hunh.)
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To: NYer
Maybe His Holiness should send a letter to his Bishops here in the U.S.

Tucson bishop: Illegal immigrants should learn English, ‘get in the back of the line’



Don't be fooled by the headline.


Full text of Bishop Kicanas' testimony can be found at http://www.justiceforimmigrants.org/documents/kicanastest.pdf.

His statement to the House could be right out of
La Raza or any other open borders crowd.

26 posted on 10/27/2010 6:25:58 PM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: TSgt
The Bishops got all into Social Justice in the 80's, pushed largely by their liberal staff members and feminist nuns who'd decided that just teaching children and nursing weren't enough for their liberated selves, so they wanted to be full fledged social workers, and create a 'preferential option for the poor' within the Church. In their zeal, and stupidity, they even crossed over into helping fund groups that pushed for abortion.

Immigration is one of those issues about which Catholics can disagree with their Bishops, and still be within the teachings of the Church, because it's not one of the more morally fundamental issues like abortion.

27 posted on 10/28/2010 12:05:18 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
Immigration is one of those issues about which Catholics can disagree with their Bishops, and still be within the teachings of the Church, because it's not one of the more morally fundamental issues like abortion.

Wow, call me a simpleton but I believe the Bible considers all sin as sin and if one's leadership is failing to see this then they should be replace.
28 posted on 10/28/2010 4:03:08 AM PDT by TSgt (Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho - 44th and current President of the United States)
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To: Joe 6-pack

“I suspect that’s covered by “respect the laws” of the host country (i.e. you can not enter a country illegally and show respect for its laws).”

It ought to be, but the two sides of the Roman Catholic Pope’s mouth as well as the Vatican’s mouth in general are never joined in the same breath to elicit the depth of any moral duty on the part of illegal migrants TO NOT BE illegal immigrants.

They talk about “respect for the law” when it’s convenient and leave out the importance of it at their choosing. On Sunday January 10, 2010, Benedict “called on Italians to respect the rights of immigrants”; while failing to make any distinction between legal and illegal immigrants, and any difference in THEIR moral duties. His words to Italian authorities were caused by incidents at the time in southern Italy - incidents involving nearly completely ILLEGAL immigrants. He condemned violence against the “immigrants” and said nothing of the two days of riotous violence on the part of the “immigrants”. In that message he made no call to the “immigrants” to “respect” the fact that they were NOT legal immigrants. He showed exactly what I said about NEVER joining the two issues IN THE SAME BREATH. It is clear they don’t really believe what they say about “respect for the law”.


29 posted on 10/28/2010 1:39:32 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Celtic Cross

When the Roman Catholic Pope issues a call for ILLEGAL immigrants to honor their moral duty to respect the laws of the countries they have gained illegal entry to, AND GO HOME, he will have then, and only then stopped speaking out of both sides of his mouth on “immigration”. I won’t hold my breath.


30 posted on 10/28/2010 1:43:02 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli
On Sunday January 10, 2010, Benedict “called on Italians to respect the rights of immigrants”; while failing to make any distinction between legal and illegal immigrants, and any difference in THEIR moral duties...He condemned violence against the “immigrants”...

It looks like the media coverage of the Pope's remarks were certainly skewed to be sympathetic to the illegals, but a little thoughtful digging shows that in addition to the limited quote you cite, in that very same speech he also said, "An immigrant is a human being, different in where they came from, in their culture and tradition, but a person to respect who has rights and responsibilities." Moreover, he didn't condemn "violence against the 'immigrants'," so much as he condemned violence, period. "Violence must never, for anyone, be the way to resolve differences."

You may disagree with the sentiment, as I do, but I don't see how those words in any way, absolve the violence of the illegals.

31 posted on 10/28/2010 1:56:43 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

As I said to another FreePer in a similar thread:

“When the Roman Catholic Pope issues a call for ILLEGAL immigrants to honor their moral duty to respect the laws of the countries they have gained illegal entry to, AND GO HOME, he will have then, and only then stopped speaking out of both sides of his mouth on ‘immigration’. I won’t hold my breath.”


32 posted on 10/28/2010 2:43:54 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli
"As I said to another FreePer in a similar thread:...“When the Roman Catholic Pope issues a call for ILLEGAL immigrants to honor their moral duty to respect the laws of the countries they have gained illegal entry to, AND GO HOME, he will have then, and only then stopped speaking out of both sides of his mouth on ‘immigration’. I won’t hold my breath.”

Gee, I'd think after I took a few moments to look at what the Pope actually said in order to point out your misrepresentation and lack of context, you'd at least have the courtesy to address what I wrote instead of copying and pasting a generic reply to somebody else. When the Pope says that immigrants have their "responsibilities" as well as rights, what do you think he meant by that? Do you think that sanctioned law breaking?

It would be nice if you took a moment to provide a thoughtful answer, but I suppose I shouldn't hold my breath for that.

33 posted on 10/28/2010 2:54:39 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

“When the Pope says that immigrants have their “responsibilities” as well as rights, what do you think he meant by that? Do you think that sanctioned law breaking?”

If he actually believed he was trying to communicate what I said he SHOULD say, what he should directly say (ILLEGALS HAVE A MORAL DUTY TO GO HOME), then he’d just say it, directly, instead of leaving his euphemism open to individual translation and interpretation. He doesn’t because he doesn’t believe it.


34 posted on 10/28/2010 3:20:38 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

When the Pope says that immigrants have their “responsibilities” as well as rights, what do you think he meant by that? Do you think that sanctioned law breaking?


35 posted on 10/28/2010 5:56:34 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Wuli
What are you talking about?? Where does he say illegal immigrants?

All he said was immigrants. Didn't talk about illegals once.

36 posted on 10/28/2010 8:14:14 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat.)
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To: Celtic Cross

“Where does he say illegal immigrants?....All he said was immigrants. Didn’t talk about illegals once.”

EXACTLY. He refuses to make a “moral” distinction.


37 posted on 10/29/2010 3:29:48 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Joe 6-pack

“When the Pope says that immigrants have their “responsibilities” as well as rights, what do you think he meant by that? Do you think that sanctioned law breaking?”

IF he really and truly believed that those “responsibilities” INCLUDED the responsibility for an ILLEGAL immigrant to return home, HE WOULD SAY SO DIRECTLY. He never does.

But, he evades any distinction between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigrant when he CHOOSES to, to direct the direct moral obligations of the “host” nation(s) to certain requirements un-specifically, indistinctly to “migrants” or “immigrants” period.

The combination of specifics and lack of specifics makes it clear that in terms of the “host” nation he sees no moral distinction in what the host should do, once it has become the “migrant’s” or “immigrant’s” host nation.

Quit asking for people to interpret what an indirect statement is supposed to be assumed to mean and start addressing the fact that the specifics said to be in your assumption have in fact NOT been said, DIRECTLY.

They are not said DIRECTLY because neither the Roman Catholic Pope nor most of the Catholic hierarchy are willing to address, publicly, their stance on what those DIRECT meanings of “respect for the law” might be.

They want to leave those implications assumed, or not assumed in the ears of the listener so that they can sit on the fence on the direct issues like “amnesty” and the moral obligation for the illegal migrant to go home. If that were not the case, they would direct the specific issues SPECIFICALLY.


38 posted on 10/29/2010 3:49:13 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli
Oh please. You are doing some impressive hoop jumping, and I applaud your efforts. But really...

It is clear to anyone reading this that your only intention is to try to brand the pope as a illegal-immigrant sympathizer. And based upon what he said, it is clear that your efforts are in vain. You are parsing his words in an attempt to justify your own senseless dislike of the pope.

39 posted on 10/29/2010 4:14:14 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat.)
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To: Celtic Cross

“You are parsing his words in an attempt to justify your own senseless dislike of the pope.”

Sorry, it is he and his church that refuses to be DIRECT about these matters, preferring to use euphemistic statements that opponents and proponents can claim to mean what THEY interpret them to mean.

When they decide to speak directly about specifics, they will reveal their hand (if they ever do) and I have no doubts it will be not what you think.


40 posted on 10/29/2010 5:23:54 PM PDT by Wuli
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