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Most troops wouldn't oppose serving with gays, survey finds
Washington Post ^ | 10/28/2010 | Ed O' Keefe

Posted on 10/29/2010 10:19:37 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

A majority of active-duty and reserve service members surveyed by the Defense Department would not object to serving and living alongside openly gay troops, according to multiple people familiar with the findings.

The survey's results are expected to be included in a Pentagon report, due to President Obama on Dec. 1, regarding how the military would end enforcement of the "don't ask, don't tell" law that bans openly gay men and lesbians from serving in uniform.

Some troops surveyed - but not a majority - objected strongly to the idea of serving with gays and said they would quit the military if the policy changed, said the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly share details of the survey.

Defense Department officials did not respond to requests for comment.

NBC News first reported Thursday evening on the survey's findings.

In July, the Pentagon sent a survey with dozens of questions to 400,000 active-duty and reserve troops. It asked whether they had ever shared a room or the showers with gay peers, and how they might act if a gay service member lived with a same-sex partner on base.

Military officials did not say how many troops completed the survey, but at least 103,000 had done so just days before it was due, according to the Pentagon. A similar survey was later sent to military spouses.

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To: blackdog

The homosexual agenda is all about domination. They’ve made great progress here, even more in Canada and the UK.

If you like freedom of speech, religion and association, then you would naturally be opposed to the “gay” agenda. If you think there is no agenda, you are either incredibly ill-read, or support it.

There is a cure for the first, no cure for the second without a bolt of lightning or something.


121 posted on 10/29/2010 1:50:34 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: central_va

I think you’re right

They might work for move on etc paid for by their messiah Soros to get on here and push their sick agenda


122 posted on 10/29/2010 1:50:49 PM PDT by manc (Homosexuality is a mental disorder as is liberalism. Anyone supporting this needs mental help)
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To: blackdog
I remember the counselors in summer camp who I now realize were gay.

As you reminisced fondly through the delusion of your liberal past HOW exactly did you conclude your "counselors in summer camp" preferred and or chose to engage in homosexual sex?

123 posted on 10/29/2010 1:51:49 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: little jeremiah
We got a few live ones here...

;-)

124 posted on 10/29/2010 1:54:13 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: blackdog

Homosexuals - AIDS - emergency transfusions - high incidence of homosexual rape - soldiers bleeding on people.

What part of this is not clear to you?


125 posted on 10/29/2010 1:55:39 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: Know et al; SeekAndFind; DBeers; little jeremiah; DJ MacWoW; massmike; trisham; metmom; ...
I'm sure Gen Custer wasn't worried about the sexual orientation of his troops at the Big Horn. Sometimes, when you are facing impossible odds, you do things that you would not do otherwise.

You couldn't possibly be more WRONG.

Sodomy was illegal in all states until recently. I have no idea what the punishment would have been in the military a century and a half ago, but it would have been brutal (and it's likely that the sodomites wouldn't have survived).

Our Founding Fathers had very strict ideas regarding sodomy:

The Founders on Homosexuality

If you are going to push the homosexual agenda, you should do it elsewhere. Free Republic is a CONSERVATIVE forum.

126 posted on 10/29/2010 1:56:31 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: RetSignman

Okay, I’ll ask you too:

Homosexuals - AIDS - emergency transfusions - high incidence of homosexual rape - soldiers bleeding on people.

What part of this is not clear to you?


127 posted on 10/29/2010 1:57:24 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: noname07718
I found in Viet Nam that they bleed red when shot just like me.

Exactly. Only their red blood is much more likely to also harbor the AIDS virus, Hep C and numerous other diseases and parasites. What part of this do you not get?

128 posted on 10/29/2010 1:58:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: DBeers; little jeremiah
We got a few live ones here...

We'll just have to see what we can do about culling that group down a little bit more.

129 posted on 10/29/2010 2:00:57 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: blackdog
every post you write it seems is taken from the talking points of the left wing nuts . How the hell do you know they were homosexuals as a kid back over 20 years ago? BTW They're not gay they're homosexuals unless you're a lefty nut or a homosexual yourself. Homosexuals are all about sex and getting off with the same sex. If you had served then you would know about survival training etc. You think men want to serve in a combat unit with a homo officer who likes one guy and will not put that guy in harms way while others have to go out on point? You think guys will get back from their patrol after seeing a friend killed and then thye have to see two puffs going at it. Do you have any idea what will happen? No you don't. Will their be seperate bunks, bases for these queers? Will homo officers put pressure on a young guy who has just joined? Will there now be homo parties on base? I could go on and on but yoiu have no frigging idea. Think about this though. Two men ware sticking each of their dicks up each other to get off sexually and you think they're normal and should be serving? If you you need help just as much as the homo's you defend.
130 posted on 10/29/2010 2:01:35 PM PDT by manc (Homosexuality is a mental disorder as is liberalism. Anyone supporting this needs mental help)
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To: Know et al

You can either leave off the homosexual agenda or you can move on. The choice is yours.


131 posted on 10/29/2010 2:01:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Just vote them OUT!!)
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To: wagglebee
The Founders on Homosexuality - posted here.
132 posted on 10/29/2010 2:03:50 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan ("The liberal agenda is the liberal neurosis made manifest."--Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., M.D.)
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To: blackdog

There is no such thing as “homophobia”. That is merely a buzzword invented by the militant homosexuals. Are you one?

There is, however, a natural and healthy revulsion about same sex sodomy. It is filthy, spreads disease, disugsting, injurious, and a crime against nature. Anal sodomy in particular is widely practiced among homosexuals and is one of the most dangerous “sex” practices anyone could do. When practiced between men and women it is also disgusting and spreads disease and injury by its very nature.

Your support of the homosexual agenda has gone on long enough on FR.


133 posted on 10/29/2010 2:03:56 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: blackdog
We also gladly accept the idea of inter-racial marriage in society.

The argument that those who are mentally ill and practice disgusting sodomy are equivalent to black people is highly offensive to black and white people. No one is "born gay" nor is it neutral.

There are NO former black people, but tens of thousands of former homosexuals.

134 posted on 10/29/2010 2:06:34 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

nail on head

phobia means to live in fear to be afraid of.
None of us live in fear of homosexuals. They use a word which does not even make sense in their argument for their sick agenda.

It;s all about PC and it is high time that more folks spoke up about how they’re agenda is sick, what they are doing in public and what they want in their agenda.

Yes they homosexuals will go mad but so what the truth needs to be told before it’;s too late.
They want us to stay silent but no more from me.
Anyone I meet and this topic comes up I tell them straight and you know what?
When I do and put a picture in their mind they say it;s sick and now find their agenda sick


135 posted on 10/29/2010 2:07:24 PM PDT by manc (Homosexuality is a mental disorder as is liberalism. Anyone supporting this needs mental help)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
I knew it had been posted, but I couldn't find it.
136 posted on 10/29/2010 2:10:11 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: SeekAndFind

Homosexuality is a mental illness. The mentally ill have no palce in the military.


137 posted on 10/29/2010 2:10:39 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: blackdog

Okay. Here’s some history, and then the “gay agenda” handbook.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2613101/posts

‘Gay’ Fascism in Europe, ‘Gay’ Extremism in USA
Americans for Truth ^ | 10/21/2010 | Peter LaBarbera

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1147428/posts

After the Ball—Why the Homosexual Movement Has Won [My comment - it hasn’t won, it’s going to lose]

Summary from “After the Ball”

The Homosexual Propaganda and Media Manipulation Game...

Although homosexual propaganda has been around for 50 years, the current campaign started in 1989 with a very popular book within the homosexual community called: “After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 1990s” by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen. This very popular book within the homosexual community makes a passionate argument that homosexual activists should implement an organized propaganda campaign to change public opinion to gain public acceptance to their behavior and obtain special rights, benefits, and privileges. Their rationalization for launching such a campaign is that people who do not agree with them are “bigots, haters, or ignorants”, and therefore activists can and should justifiably employ any tactic possible, including mass deceit, lying, slander, maliciousness, intimidation, violence, etc. Although many activists initially condemned this approach at first in public, remaining hold outs have jumped on board after benefitting from the success of the propaganda campaign. The following are exerpts taken from “After The Ball.” These strategies, tactics, and techniques have been and are currently employed by most homosexual activist groups, as verified by their well documented trail.

1) The homosexual agenda can succeed by conversion of the average Americans emotions, mind, and will, through, a planned psychological attack in the form of propaganda to the nation via media (page 153);

2) “Propaganda relies more upon emotional manipulation that upon logic, since its goal is to bring about public change” (page 162);

3) Propaganda can be unabashedly subjective and one-sided, there is nothing wrong with this (page 163);

4) Homosexual agenda can succeed by “desensitization” achieved by lowering the intensity of antigay emotional reactions to a level of sheer indifference (page 153);

5) Homosexual agenda can succeed by “jamming” and “confusing” adversaries, so as to block or counteract the “rewarding of prejudice” (page 153);

6) “Heterosexuals dislike homosexuals on fundamentally emotional, not intellectual grounds” (page 166)

7) “Desensitizing” is “our recipe” for converting “ambivalent skeptics”;

8) Make victimizers look bad by linking to Nazi horror while helping straights to see gays as victims and feel protective towards them (page 221);

9) The Nazi story of “pink triangle as a symbol of victimization” should be a sufficient opening wedge into the vilification of our enemies (page 190);

10) Show grisly victimization of gays and demand that readers identify themselves with either social tolerance or gruesome cruelty;

11) Discourage anti-gay harassment by linking and calling all those that have opposing opinions to latent homosexuality (i.e., call people homophobic) (page 227)

12) Jam people by pointing out that it’s inconsistent with the reader’s belief in the value of love between individuals (page 233);

13) AIDS epidemic should be exploited “to increase attention and sympathy” as “victimized minority.”(page xxv)
14) “We argue that for all practical purposes, gays should be considered to have been born gay, even though sexual orientation, for most humans, seems to be the product of a complex interaction between innate predispositions and environmental factors during childhood and early adolescence” (page 184);

15) “Muddy the moral waters”, that is, to undercut the rationalization that justify religious opposition… this entails publicizing support by moderate churches and raising serious theological objections” (page 179);

16) Portray opposing churches “as antiquated backwaters”, badly out of step with the time and with the latest findings of psychology (page 179);

17) Jam the self-righteous pride by linking to a disreputable hate group (page 235);

18) The main thing is to talk about gayness until the issue becomes thoroughly tiresome (page 178);

19) All opposing disagreements to homosexual behavior is rooted in “Homophobia, Homohatred, and Prejudice” (page 112)

20) It is acceptible to call people “Homophobic” or “Homohaters” if they do not agree 100% with homosexual views, opinions, or behavior. (page xxiii)

21) A media campaign should portray only the most favorable side of gays (page 170);

22) Show others accepting gays and homosexuals (page 241);

23) Heterosexuals are like Aryans and people who are against homosexual behavior are “Nazis” and “Clansman”.

24) Homosexual persecution is identical to Jewish persecution (page 57, 62, );

25) Homosexual persecution is identical racial prejudice to Blacks, Asians, and Hispanics (inferring inborn) (page 62, 73);

26) All scientific/medical arguments to prevent 1973 APA/AMA removal from disorder list were rooted in cultural prejudice, medieval knowledge of science/medicine, and misinformation.

27) “Two-thirds of all boys” have rudimentary homosexual experiences (inferring most teenagers want to have homosexual sex) (page 44)

28) “Vast majority” of homosexuals do not engage in compulsive high-risk sex (page 49)

29) American opposition is based solely on prejudiced, outdated, and hypocritical Victorian morals (page 51)

30) All homosexually suicides are based entirely on societal rejection (page xv)

31) All sexual morality should be abolished (pages 64 to 67);

32) Homosexual civil rights are “explicitly set forth in the Bill of Rights”;

33) Health concerns for AIDS prevention are unwarranted (page 91)

34) Opposition to homosexual marriages is based on “family nostalgia” and “sexual guilt” based on religious/Victorian values (page 92)

35) Adoption agencies have been “placing kids with gay people for a long time,” as long as “you do not bring up” the fact that your gay;

36) “Kids in gay households ultimately receive better-than-average parenting” (page 97)

37) All speech that is opposing homosexual behavior should be banned under “clear and present danger to public order” (page 101)

38) All and any news or media coverage that is presents homosexual in negative form is prejudiced and invalid (page 54);

39) Everyone comes out must be prepped by a media campaign carefully crafted, repeatedly displayed mass-media images of gays (page 169);

40) “Gay activists have tried to manipulate the American judicial system.” Sometimes the tactic works: many executive orders (which side step the democratic process) and ordinances passed by city councils now protect certain rights (page 171);

41) “Employ images that desensitize, jam, and/or convert on an emotional level” (page 173);

42) “Gain access to the kinds of public media that would automatically confer legitimacy upon these messages and sponsors” (page 173);

43) “Ambivalent skeptics” are our most promising targets (page 176)…

44) Associate gay cause with “talk about racism, sexism, militarism, poverty, and all the conditions that oppress the unempowered.” (page 181)

45) Project gays as victims of circumstance and oppression, not as aggressive challengers (page 183);

46) “Mustachioed leather men, drag queens, and bull dykes” should not appear in gay commercials and other public presentations (until later after wide acceptance) (page 183);

47) Groups on the farthest margins of acceptability, such as NAMBLA, must play no part at all in the medioa campaign (page 184);

48) Gays should be portrayed as victims of prejudice…graphic pictures of brutalized gays, dramatizations of job and housing insecurity, loss of child custody, public humiliation… (page 185);

49) In time we see no reason why more and more diversity should not be introduced into the projected image (i.e., drag queens, pedophiles, etc.) (page 186);

50) Infer and speculate that famous historical figures were gay for two reasons: first, they are dead as a door nail, hence in no position to deny the truth and sue for libel; (page 188)

51) In TV and print, images of victimizers can be combined with those of their gay victims by a method propagandists call the “bracket technique” (page 190);

52) The media campaign will reach straights on an emotional level, casting gays as society’s victims and inviting straights to be their protectors (page 187);

53) We like television because it’s the most graphic and intrusive medium for our message (page 201)

54) Over the long-term, “television and magazines” are probably the media of choice (page 204);

55) Ads must manage to get the word gay into the headline or tagline (page 207);

56) Each message should tap public sentiment, patriotic, or otherwise, and drill an unimpeachable agreeable proposition into the mainstreams head (page 208);

57) Several years down the road, our tactics will have carved out, slice by slice, a large portion of access to mainstream media (page 213);

58) Associate and link gays to good causes and non-controversial activities (page 219);

59) The more people who appear to practice homosexuality, and the more innate it appears to be, the less abnormal and objectionable, and the more legitimate it will seem (which is why it is important to maintain claims to 10% of the population)(page 217)

60) Stage candid interviews with gays who appear as solid citizens. Subjects in commercials should be interviewed alone, not with their lovers (for now) (page 247);

61) Most people derive their impressions of the world through the national media (page 250);

62) It will be a sheer delight to besmirch our tormentors, we cannot waste our resources on revenge alone (page 189);

63) “Too many Americans share this mistrust of gay citizens” (page 55);


138 posted on 10/29/2010 2:11:43 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: blackdog
I'm confused though.......What does sexuality have to do with being committed or professional?

Homosexuals are mentally ill, harbor and spread incredible diseases, notoriously promiscous, and a terrible security risk. The are obsessed with unnatural sexual gratification, prone to drug and alcohol abuse, and commit more "domestic" violence and child molestation than the general public.

You want more?

139 posted on 10/29/2010 2:14:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: HairOfTheDog

They are aggressive in a mentally ill nasty way, not in a way which is useful in battle. Female homosexuals commit a lot of “domestic” violence on each other and more crime than other women.

How is it that so many on this thread are pushing the homosexual agenda. It’s sickening.


140 posted on 10/29/2010 2:16:50 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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