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Most troops wouldn't oppose serving with gays, survey finds
Washington Post ^ | 10/28/2010 | Ed O' Keefe

Posted on 10/29/2010 10:19:37 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

A majority of active-duty and reserve service members surveyed by the Defense Department would not object to serving and living alongside openly gay troops, according to multiple people familiar with the findings.

The survey's results are expected to be included in a Pentagon report, due to President Obama on Dec. 1, regarding how the military would end enforcement of the "don't ask, don't tell" law that bans openly gay men and lesbians from serving in uniform.

Some troops surveyed - but not a majority - objected strongly to the idea of serving with gays and said they would quit the military if the policy changed, said the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly share details of the survey.

Defense Department officials did not respond to requests for comment.

NBC News first reported Thursday evening on the survey's findings.

In July, the Pentagon sent a survey with dozens of questions to 400,000 active-duty and reserve troops. It asked whether they had ever shared a room or the showers with gay peers, and how they might act if a gay service member lived with a same-sex partner on base.

Military officials did not say how many troops completed the survey, but at least 103,000 had done so just days before it was due, according to the Pentagon. A similar survey was later sent to military spouses.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dontaskdonttell; gay; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; liberaltarians; military; propaganda; trolls
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To: Doe Eyes; manc

My sons were military and one was grabbed in the shower by a fairy. The fairy never did it again. The military is no place for fairies. It’s akin to a drunk working in a liquor store.


251 posted on 10/29/2010 7:05:22 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

EXACTLY
If this poster had served she would know and understand this a;long with the repercussions of what will happen


252 posted on 10/29/2010 7:07:53 PM PDT by manc (Homosexuality is a mental disorder as is liberalism. Anyone supporting this needs mental help)
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To: SeekAndFind

I believe this poll for a few reasons.

1) Most senior NCOs and officers believe it’s futile to even fight it. It’s simply inevitable so our energy is better spent figuring out how to make it all work (if that’s possible) than to fight it.

2) The Army is very, very P.C. Any dissenting opinion will be listened to, the individual will be smiled at and thanked, then totally ignored. Remember—this is the Army that allowed Hasan to grow into a monster in front of God and everyone and didn’t allow anyone to do anything about it for fear of “racism” charges.


253 posted on 10/29/2010 7:08:23 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: manc
are you drunk or something?

Look you said,

"I’m telling you homosexuals should not serve at all, period and that is from experience after serving in combat recently."

I'm just asking you to expand a little more on your experience.

That's all.

254 posted on 10/29/2010 7:09:06 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: manc

Yup.


255 posted on 10/29/2010 7:09:46 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Doe Eyes

what is it with you can you not answer a simple few question?

Answer them or don’t bother replying, yes or no.


256 posted on 10/29/2010 7:11:43 PM PDT by manc (Homosexuality is a mental disorder as is liberalism. Anyone supporting this needs mental help)
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To: Doe Eyes; manc
I'm just asking you to expand a little more on your experience.

That's all.

That is NOT what you were asking in post 232 Were you tempted?

Your inference was nasty.

257 posted on 10/29/2010 7:14:30 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Future Snake Eater

The marines is the least PC along with combat units I’ve found.

The queers know this is their last chance to get their agenda passed and they also know that the majority still think their agenda is sick.
they just hope that if it passes then people will accept it but they are sadly mistaken.
I have family in MA and still people do not accept their agenda, infact they have pissed more people off


258 posted on 10/29/2010 7:14:35 PM PDT by manc (Homosexuality is a mental disorder as is liberalism. Anyone supporting this needs mental help)
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To: Doe Eyes

You’re a sick excuse for a freeper.

Get lost.


259 posted on 10/29/2010 7:14:39 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: central_va

LOL,I just posted above that the “gay” mafia always accuse you of being a homosexual (but you see, you just don’t know it yet!).

And like clockwork...they prove me right again.


260 posted on 10/29/2010 7:15:17 PM PDT by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: DJ MacWoW

NAIL ON HEAD


261 posted on 10/29/2010 7:15:47 PM PDT by manc (Homosexuality is a mental disorder as is liberalism. Anyone supporting this needs mental help)
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To: scripter

Have fun!


262 posted on 10/29/2010 7:18:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: blackdog

Ask that same question to Kimberly Bergalis, only substitite dentist for cardiologist.


263 posted on 10/29/2010 7:27:41 PM PDT by sport
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To: Doe Eyes; manc; DJ MacWoW

Why don’t you go first and describe your own struggle with homosexuality.


264 posted on 10/29/2010 7:39:12 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: wagglebee

Flushed another one out, eh?


265 posted on 10/29/2010 8:07:11 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

This has been a magnet for the old and the new.

They must be discussing it on some anti-freeper site/chat room or something.


266 posted on 10/29/2010 8:08:30 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: rockinqsranch

Assuming the troops surveyed were mostly younger men and women, the results might be accurate. Remember, they’re a generation that has been indoctrinated year after year via television, movies, school, etc., into believing these behaviors are acceptable and that there must be something wrong with the people who won’t accept it.


267 posted on 10/29/2010 8:09:07 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: SeekAndFind

So says the Washington Pest.


268 posted on 10/29/2010 8:16:11 PM PDT by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: little jeremiah

Well said.


269 posted on 10/29/2010 8:24:38 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: DBeers

“Homonausea” is a better term. They make me sick.


270 posted on 10/29/2010 8:26:47 PM PDT by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Funny thing is when those pushing the homosexual agenda are presented with reason, rationality, evidence, and facts - they either leave the discussion, or act as though nothing proving them wrong was said, or start the usual “you’re really gay yourself” or “you’re a homophobe/bigot” stuff.

Like clockwork, I tell you!


271 posted on 10/29/2010 8:29:49 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: Tired of Taxes

But the military particularly attracts conservative types. And many serving now have had experience with homosexuals around them and if they’re normal men and women and not hardcore leftists, they know that homosexuals are bad for morale!


272 posted on 10/29/2010 8:33:15 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: Tired of Taxes; Sola Veritas

Tired - Sola Veritas posted his own experience with this very survey somewhere on the thread. He explains why the survey was worhtless - find his post and read it!


273 posted on 10/29/2010 8:34:47 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

I read the handwriting on the wall 30 years ago and pulled out after 22 years. McNamara’s wiz-kids came thru the Installation where I was stationed and “recommended” changes on everything from Clubs to Latrines.
18 Months later I was on the street and damn glad for my decision!
I live in an area where I’m surrounded by Marines. We have some every lively discussions when we “stack up the brass”
during a neighbor BBQ’s. Lot’s of fun and I dare any bad guys to try anything as we all have our sector fields of fire assigned. Essyons and Semper Fi!!


274 posted on 10/29/2010 8:59:20 PM PDT by TaMoDee
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To: central_va

“It is unbelievable”
You got that right!


275 posted on 10/29/2010 9:31:52 PM PDT by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Not excusing anyone for being vulgar, annoying and disgusting, but homosexuality *is* a vulgar, annoying and disgusting topic. The trick is how one is to discuss it without being that way one’s self.


276 posted on 10/29/2010 9:55:29 PM PDT by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; SeekAndFind

>>> Military policy is not determined by referendum, so the question is moot.

On the other hand, want to bet if the results were OPPOSED to the new policy you’d be waving it like a flag on Iwo Jima?

A military is primarily composed of young people. More and more, young people don’t meltdown at the thought of somebody else being a homosexual, whether they personally approve the practice or not. And outraged old people just by attrition are less and less a relevant factor. The poll results are not surprising.


277 posted on 10/29/2010 10:00:04 PM PDT by tlb
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To: tlb; Blood of Tyrants; SeekAndFind; little jeremiah

You sound just like tbrightusmc. Isn’t that odd.


278 posted on 10/29/2010 10:25:38 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
I've been here not months but years longer than most of you.

Not me, I've been here longer, but...I'm not a troll. I don't think you're a troll. I do think you're one of those who claims to be conservative but when push comes to shove you're really not all that conservative. Guess what, though. Right now I don't care. As long as you help vote the conservatives in you're on my side.

279 posted on 10/29/2010 11:10:21 PM PDT by Shethink13
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To: DJ MacWoW

Speaking of outraged old people.

pffftp


280 posted on 10/29/2010 11:11:30 PM PDT by tlb
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To: tlb
A military is primarily composed of young people. More and more, young people don’t meltdown at the thought of somebody else being a homosexual, whether they personally approve the practice or not. And outraged old people just by attrition are less and less a relevant factor. The poll results are not surprising.

Well, aren't you just so smart? Did you read this whole thread? Did you happen to catch the excellent post #138 by little jeremiah explaining how the homosexual agenda has been systematically foisted on our culture through the same "young people" you claim are so much smarter and level-headed than us old fogies. You're like putty in their hands. How does it feel being a useful tool?

281 posted on 10/29/2010 11:25:27 PM PDT by Shethink13
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To: tlb
The poll results are not surprising.

Truth is not determined by poll, and the military has yet to be transformed into just another government job with working conditions etcetera negotiated through union bargaining.

The poll 'results' are about as objective and relevant as the poll itself. Those pushing these poll results are but useful idiots or leftists...

Your opinion as to "young people" is irrelevant as to truth and in fact would suggest the poll flawed. "Young people" have ALWAYS been the core of the military -regardless, a poll of young people is not truth NOR leadership -young people can be led astray -it is young people led by tyrants that do damage -young and disordered people would do more damage... It is the young, the inexperienced, the immature, and the ungrounded idealists that are more likely to vote for idiots like 0zero. That is why it is the "old" that lead the young...

Polls do not win wars...

282 posted on 10/29/2010 11:25:49 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Sola Veritas; little jeremiah
I was one of the Army Reservists tagged to take the survey. . . . The survey wasn’t about gauging military opinion, but how to get DADT repealed with the least amount of turmoil.

The way you explain it, it does sound like the results were twisted. Come to think of it, surveys never are without an agenda. (Thanks, little jeremiah.)

283 posted on 10/29/2010 11:26:01 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: tlb; Sola Veritas

Pushing the homosexual agenda as usual, I see. Look at what Sola Veritas said about the survey which he read and filled out. The survey was twisted and bogus, just as your comments about the homosexual agenda always are.

His comments are somewhere on this thread, look at them.


284 posted on 10/29/2010 11:40:45 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: blackdog
That aughta get a few more skinny minds on the hate bus.

Speaking of hate buses, here is some reading matter for you about gays in the military -- the Nazi regime, which was littered with them:

The Pink Swastika

And here's a link about 'Gay' Fascism in Europe, ‘Gay’ Extremism in USA

285 posted on 10/29/2010 11:45:50 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Shethink13
As long as you help vote the conservatives in you're on my side.

There you go, stabbing the military in the back and calling yourself a conservative. And why are you doing this? So men who like to put their penis's in each other can bastardize and pervert the military. You are hero.../sarc

286 posted on 10/30/2010 5:02:58 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I'd like to see how the questions were posed, but considering our current impostor-in-chief, they were surely sugar-coated to go down easy.

I don't think that anyone ever thought that a majority of servicemen would quit the military, or that prospects wouldn't consider enlisting, if homosexuals could practice their deviancy openly. Ten percent was the figure I always heard. But 10% would absolutely decimate the ranks of our fighting forces.

287 posted on 10/30/2010 6:12:43 AM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Aren’t openly gay men allowed to serve in one of the most effective fighting militaries in the world ? ( I am talking about Israel ). How is this policy affecting their morale and fighting ability?

Are you saying that Israel's, or anyone else's, military is on par with America's? If you are, you'd better watch your back among servicemen - that is an outlandish statement.

America has the BEST fighting force in the world - WITHOUT (open) homosexuals. Would you jeopardize this?

288 posted on 10/30/2010 6:18:42 AM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: blackdog

Sorry, your ingenuous use of the contrived, meaningless political slur “homophobia” should ban you from this sight. Got back to the DUmp, where you’d, no doubt, find yourself much more at home.


289 posted on 10/30/2010 6:22:19 AM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: tlb
Speaking of outraged old people.

The "old" people have a clue that the young idiots don't.

Homosexuality is sexual behavior the same as beastiality, pedophilia and necrophilia. It is an unhealthy lifestyle that shortens it's proponents lifespan. Their lifestyle is also deviant and abhorrent.

290 posted on 10/30/2010 6:23:30 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: fwdude; Sola Veritas
I'd like to see how the questions were posed

Sola Veritas took the survey and spoke about it in Post 183

291 posted on 10/30/2010 6:27:01 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: little jeremiah; blackdog
No reply, jeremiah.

Even a raving liberal like Blackdog can't refute incontrovertible facts.

292 posted on 10/30/2010 6:32:50 AM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: Cicero
Probably one of those confidential surveys. Those participating in the survey would not know if their responses were the majority view. They'd only know what results were claimed. Kind of like election results.

Using the Delphi Technique to Achieve Consensus

293 posted on 10/30/2010 6:33:32 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: little jeremiah
Liberaltarians and regular leftist trolls stick out like sore thumbs here.

They just can't resist employing the language of Mordor - no matter how much they try to conceal it. It really is immediately apparent.

294 posted on 10/30/2010 6:36:33 AM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

1 in 5? Wow, that’s incredible. So that I can futher propogate this fact, do you have a I can use as a reference?


295 posted on 10/30/2010 7:03:49 AM PDT by imfleck
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To: DJ MacWoW

Sorry, I meant to say “...do you have a SOURCE I can use as a reference?”


296 posted on 10/30/2010 7:05:21 AM PDT by imfleck
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To: imfleck
United States 010 1,200,000 2005 est.[3] 067 0.6 2007 est.

I've always heard the stat that 5% of the adult population is "gay". 200,000,000 X .05 = 10,000,000. Half are women? Leaving 5 million gay men (roughly). I would say 1:5 ratio is about right. Pretty damn high.

297 posted on 10/30/2010 7:18:29 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

I once asked my son, now 23, if he minded that one of his friends was openly homosexual. His response? “Who cares.”

Recently I asked my son about homosexuals in the military. Same response.

Your point is spot on.


298 posted on 10/30/2010 7:18:54 AM PDT by imfleck
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To: central_va

Thanks for the quick response.


299 posted on 10/30/2010 7:25:59 AM PDT by imfleck
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To: imfleck
Yup I do.

Study: 1 in 5 urban gay and bisexual men got HIV - AP

1 in 5 Gay/Bi Men Have HIV, Nearly Half Don't Know - WebMD

This was a CDC study.

300 posted on 10/30/2010 7:30:54 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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