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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Full auto fire is a waste of ammunition, plus it overheats the weapon to the point of malfunction. The army needs to teach fire discipline like the Marines. The army does a lot of spray and pray.


2 posted on 10/29/2010 10:57:07 PM PDT by Roklok
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To: Roklok

I agree


3 posted on 10/29/2010 10:57:46 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: Roklok

Stitch fire.


9 posted on 10/29/2010 11:11:13 PM PDT by Rannug (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-qH02g4DLI)
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To: Roklok
Compare:

"... Soldiers in Afghanistan expressed enthusiasm about the improvements, especially the ability to shoot on fully automatic.

“That would be sweet. You could definitely get more lead downrange,” said Sgt. Aaron Billington of the 10th Mountain Division at Kandahar Air Field.

... against:

Adding full-automatic fire mode to the M4 is a huge mistake, said Staff Sgt. Lincoln Dockery, a combat engineer stationed in Bamberg.

"The whole purpose of having riflemen is to accurately engage the enemy,” Dockery said. “With full auto, soldiers will stop aiming and just point, shoot and hope, like the enemy does.”

I don't know what the Army is teaching their elite 10th Mountain Division troops, but it seems like the combat engineers are the ones who know what they're talking about, at least in this case.

Semper Fi.

11 posted on 10/29/2010 11:21:19 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Roklok
The army does a lot of spray and pray.

Absolutely...ans its been ingrained for 40+ years.

14 posted on 10/29/2010 11:34:11 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus - Domari Nolo)
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To: Roklok

My dad, who is a Marine Vietnam combat vet with one ground tour, pointed out that there *are* times when you just want to keep the other guy’s head down and without FA it’s quite a lot harder to do that.


17 posted on 10/29/2010 11:49:23 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Roklok

You’re right - how much ammo do you want to hump over that terrain? I thought the general movement was away from full-auto fire.


18 posted on 10/29/2010 11:52:02 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Nov 2 is coming...)
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To: Roklok

The first three shot are on target, the rest end up in the ceiling.
Three round burst are best, or better training and semi auto.


35 posted on 10/30/2010 1:07:51 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Roklok
Full auto fire is a waste of ammunition, plus it overheats the weapon to the point of malfunction. The army needs to teach fire discipline like the Marines. The army does a lot of spray and pray.

The Gurkhas with whom I worked who were contract security for a critical communications installation had their choice of anything to be found in Afghanistan, US, NATO or Sov Bloc. They wanted and got AKMs, some fixed butt, some Romanian sidefolders.

I fudged a little and came up with an AKM folder, but had a night-scoped RPK should we have our perimiter hit at night, and a PKM in the event such a thing happened during daylight hours.

It's all well and good to say that the troops don't really need a full-auto capability, but it's quite another thing for them not to have it when the other side does. If the weapon has it, their NCOs and platoon leaders can simply tell them to leave things on semi, and that should be that. And at night, if anything lets go on full-auto, EVERYBODY knows to grenade it.


54 posted on 11/02/2010 2:26:41 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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