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Cargo plane bomb plot: David Cameron not informed of terror threat for 16 hours
Telegraph (UK) ^ | October 30, 2010 | By Andrew Porter and Richard Edwards

Posted on 10/30/2010 5:44:03 AM PDT by MaestroLC

[Camron] was not briefed until shortly after 2pm, 10 hours after the package was found and 16 hours after Barack Obama, the US President, was informed of the threat.

Only at 7:45pm was a statement released by Theresa May, the Home Secretary.

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There were also questions last night about the confused response from British police, who were only prompted to admit the package had been found after reports emerged in the US - 13 hours after the event.

It was Mr Obama who broke the news that explosives had been discovered in the packages, a suggestion police sources in Britain had earlier dismissed.

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Here is the timeline: Cargo plane bomb plot: Key developments

16 hours later? Why didn't Barack Obama inform the Brits of the terror plot immediately? They appear to have found out after he gave a televised speech on the incident?

Did Mr. Obama delay informing the Brits of a terror plot - where people could have been killed - just so he could get some face-time on TV before a important election to make himself look more presidential? Or was it simply his animosity towards the Brits? Did he inform the Brits immediately and they dropped the ball?

Something does not pass the smell test.

1 posted on 10/30/2010 5:44:06 AM PDT by MaestroLC
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To: MaestroLC

I’m sure Obama feels that if we can take it...the Brits can take it.


2 posted on 10/30/2010 5:51:50 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: MaestroLC

Nothing passes the smell test in this administration.


3 posted on 10/30/2010 5:52:27 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: MaestroLC

Maybe someone in Britain with a little maturity and wisdom was trying to keep things quiet until there was time to locate, close with, capture & interrogate the senders of the bombs.

Naturally, with the election only days away, Zero HAD to get some facetime as the Defender of the Country!


4 posted on 10/30/2010 5:52:48 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("a comeuppance is due the arrogant elites" - Charles Krauthammer)
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To: MaestroLC

Does politics now trump everything?


5 posted on 10/30/2010 5:55:41 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: MaestroLC

The system worked!


6 posted on 10/30/2010 5:56:00 AM PDT by Diogenesis ('Freedom is the light of all sentient beings.' - Optimus Prime)
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To: MaestroLC
2010 Gulf Oil Spill and Crisis Management, is the organizational behavior template for this Administration.

Judge all their actions by the way they reacted to that specific disaster.

7 posted on 10/30/2010 5:57:11 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Let 'em pray to Baal, Gaia, Lucifer, the sun god, whatever; let's humbly ask God's Son for victory!)
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To: BwanaNdege

bttt


8 posted on 10/30/2010 6:00:17 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: BwanaNdege

“Naturally, with the election only days away, Zero HAD to get some facetime as the Defender of the Country!”

DING, DING, DING..... WE HAVE A WINNER!


9 posted on 10/30/2010 6:01:32 AM PDT by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
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To: Sacajaweau
“I’m sure Obama feels that if we can take it...the Brits can take it.”

Good point. The proved in WW11 that they could “absorb another terrorist attack”.
Obama was trying not to insult them.

10 posted on 10/30/2010 6:02:02 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Vote Like Obama is on the Ballot)
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To: MaestroLC

It took Obama a number of days to address the nation after the underwear bomber was subdued on the plane or BP explosion occurred in this country. Only took him an hour after the defective toner cartridges were carried off the cargo plane in England to address the nation.The difference? An election 5 days away.


11 posted on 10/30/2010 6:02:31 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: MaestroLC

You are right about not passing the smell test.

Obama claims explosives were found in a package, but as yet no one has actually claimed this was a bomb that could explode.
News reports say a toner cartridge with explosives in it and wires hanging from it, but no one has said the thing was wired with a timer or wired to explode when it was used or given any hint that the thing might go off.

They say this thing came out of Yemen strange when Obama just gave Yemen a waiver to allow children to fight in their wars.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2010/1029/Obama-waives-sanctions-for-four-countries-that-use-child-soldiers

Yeah I know, not much in the Major media about that.


12 posted on 10/30/2010 6:02:31 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: mason-dixon

Napolitano admitted that they we only informed due to the saudis.


13 posted on 10/30/2010 6:05:13 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: GlockThe Vote
Napolitano admitted that they we only informed due to the saudis.

Who did the Saudi informant or Intelligence call?

14 posted on 10/30/2010 6:09:43 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Venturer

I read it was linked to a mobile sims card.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324948/Packages-British-airport-Dubai-DID-contain-explosives-Obama-says-credible-terror-plot.html


15 posted on 10/30/2010 6:09:58 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: MaestroLC
A representative of the Chicago Jewish groups said they were informed Thursday morning. We are also being told that Obama was not informed until 10:30pm Thursday.

What are we to believe?

16 posted on 10/30/2010 6:11:42 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Loyal Buckeye

It was on cnn and the younmg reporter actually grilled her on it. My dad called me and asked if I heard it. This is going to blow up in obamas face again.


17 posted on 10/30/2010 6:12:36 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: GlockThe Vote

It’s certainly not beyond the Saudi intelligence capability to plant the fake bombs and then assure that they get discovered, though I’m not saying that’s what happened.


18 posted on 10/30/2010 6:17:55 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: MaestroLC

Why?

I think in 0000bbbbmmmmaaaa mind, the US is the Great Hated, and England is the Next Most Hated.


19 posted on 10/30/2010 6:22:36 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: BwanaNdege

I thought 0bama said that we could “absorb” another terrorist attack.


20 posted on 10/30/2010 6:23:07 AM PDT by reg45
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To: Rational Thought

No, ideology trumps everything. Looks like the British homeland security people do not trust their Prime Minister and/or Onada used a relatively routine event for some kind of political gain before the election. I watch Napolitano being intervirewd by Fox and Friends this morning. She definitely is among the dullest knoves in the drawer. But she seem to have developed a keen and mechanical sense for regurgitating talking points. Her word of the day is “immediately”. If she used that word once she used it 30 times in the approx. 2-minute segment. Immediately, as in the other demrat favorite phrase “from day one”.


21 posted on 10/30/2010 6:23:44 AM PDT by dools0007world
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To: dools0007world

Wag the dog passes the smell test in this....


22 posted on 10/30/2010 6:27:54 AM PDT by alisasny
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To: STARWISE; onyx; maggief; penelopesire; Liz; Dog; roses of sharon

WTH?!? This gets weirder by the minute. And supposedly they’re now looking for 2 DOZEN more packages aka bombs? Why isn’t the country on high alert? Why aren’t post offices, UPS and FedEx offices closed? Why do I feel as though I’m being manipulated?


23 posted on 10/30/2010 6:33:45 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Loyal Buckeye

WHAT?? The Jewish group was told on Thursday MORNING, and the Pres. was told Thursday NIGHT???? Something SMELLS here!!


24 posted on 10/30/2010 6:35:07 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: MaestroLC

Okay, now I’m convinced this was a ruse. I adamantly thought it was legit, but after reading this article, I have to agree this is all an unbelievable hoax.


25 posted on 10/30/2010 6:35:17 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: BwanaNdege
"Maybe someone in Britain with a little maturity and wisdom was trying to keep things quiet until there was time to locate, close with, capture & interrogate the senders of the bombs."

What appears to be a spike in terrorist plots under Obama may only be a spike in rushing to the microphone (or teleprompter) to get some cred.

26 posted on 10/30/2010 6:44:24 AM PDT by cookcounty (My Final prediction: 10 Senate seats, 70 House seats. --Oct 26th.)
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To: SE Mom

Very strange. Prepare for the media to drop the entire story when it becomes apparant to everyone that the timeline and story doesn’t add up. If I were a Brit, I’d be pissed off that the Obama Administration didn’t warn the leaders of my country that anything was up.


27 posted on 10/30/2010 6:44:27 AM PDT by penelopesire ('Obama's Wars' are with our own military..Bush's Wars were with our enemies!)
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To: MaestroLC

Something is not right here. No explosives found elsewhere. In the US explosives found. Just wondering did the RATS put them there themselves to make a story more plausible - RATS must win in 2010. How many Americans can the RATS say died because of Bush’s failed policies. Notice it is always Bush;s policies that failed, not Obummers or Clintons.


28 posted on 10/30/2010 6:49:07 AM PDT by hondact200 ( Lincoln Freed the Enslaved. Obama Enslaves the Free. Obama is Americas Greatest Threat)
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To: Sacajaweau

NOTHING passes the smell test with Obama’s Drama. I still recall seeing, earlier yesterday, an article re a ‘cartridge that had been tampered with but NO explosives detected’ in the UPS plane. Suddenly it is high alert? That doesn’t hold water, to me.

I think Obama’s making a mountain out of a molehill so he can look ‘presidential’ — or would his preference be ‘dictatorial’?? And then people will be afraid to weaken his government (coincidentally) at the election Tuesday.


29 posted on 10/30/2010 6:50:04 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: SE Mom
"Why aren’t post offices, UPS and FedEx offices closed?

That would shut down the economy. As an Ex-FedExer, I worry a lot about this kind of delivery approach. There are some very significant preventative measures in place, but nothing is perfect.

30 posted on 10/30/2010 6:52:31 AM PDT by cookcounty (My Final prediction: 10 Senate seats, 70 House seats. --Oct 26th.)
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To: bboop

If this is the case it is backfiring.


31 posted on 10/30/2010 6:53:51 AM PDT by madameguinot (Our Father's God to Thee, Author of Liberty)
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To: SE Mom; penelopesire
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304879604575582752259995926.html

The threat of terrorism intruded on the midterm elections Friday, raising the profile of President Barack Obama as commander in chief four days before an expected Democratic drubbing at the polls.

The fighter-jet escort of a passenger plane to the U.S. from Yemen inserted national security into a campaign that thus far has been dominated by a heated battle over domestic concerns.

The day’s television images also spurred questions of whether the government’s actions would have any effect on Democratic prospects in the election.

“There’s never a day when we relax our guard, whether it’s Election Day or any other day,” said John Brennan, the president’s homeland-security and counterterrorism adviser, when asked to comment on the timing of the incident.

Mr. Obama delivered a statement on the apparent terror plot, then sent Mr. Brennan to speak to reporters hours before the president was to appear at a rally for embattled Democratic Rep. Tom Perriello in Charlottesville, Va.

That event was the first of a weekend political blitz that is to take Mr. Obama to Bridgeport, Conn.; Philadelphia; Chicago; and Cleveland—all in regions he won handily in 2008 but which two years later are battlegrounds for control of Congress.

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32 posted on 10/30/2010 6:55:37 AM PDT by maggief
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To: SE Mom; STARWISE; stephenjohnbanker; TommyDale; Condor51; Grampa Dave; maggief; penelopesire; ...
This gets weirder by the minute. Why isn’t the country on high alert? Why aren’t post offices, UPS and FedEx offices closed? Why do I feel as though I’m being manipulated?

If this WAS the Dems's October surprise to make Ohaha look presidential as voters go to the polls, it backfired miserably, for the reasons SE MOM stated.

AND b/c the citizenry saw Ohaha babbling at the teleprompter, and thought: " OMG, this guy is the one protecting us? We better put the other party in charge."

Lastly, when Baghdad Bob Gibbs spoke on the topic, that ramped up the coming Repub landslide to Mach One speed.

33 posted on 10/30/2010 6:55:55 AM PDT by Liz (Nov 2 will be one more stitch in Obama's political shroud.)
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To: alisasny

So the real bombs were in Saudi and the rest were fake bombs?

I am so confused by all of this. If they are going to do a real bomb in Saudi..why not elsewhere?


34 posted on 10/30/2010 7:03:04 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: cookcounty
This whole thing is stupid. There are enough Muzzies in the USA who can go to a UPS or Fed Ex office and send a package from NYC to Chicago or California or wherever.

In fact, at this point, that is what makes sense (USA mailing)....and sending packages to the Media and/or Politicians...just like the anthrax attack...

35 posted on 10/30/2010 7:03:56 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: MaestroLC

“to make himself look more presidential?”

THAT is an IMPOSSIBLE goal.


36 posted on 10/30/2010 7:08:11 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: maggief; SE Mom; Liz

So where were the explosives (that Obama said were found) actually found? There are reports this morning that no explosives were found in the US or Britain! ???

The whole thing is ridiculous at this point. We are told there are more packages in the system, yet the threat level remains the same and the political class in DC goes right on about their business of robbing this country blind. This is starting to look like a head fake to get people looking in the wrong direction. What kind of voter fraud stories broke yesterday on the back pages?


37 posted on 10/30/2010 7:10:58 AM PDT by penelopesire ('Obama's Wars' are with our own military..Bush's Wars were with our enemies!)
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To: MaestroLC

This is turning into Obama’s “Iran Hostages”.


38 posted on 10/30/2010 7:11:33 AM PDT by InternetTuffGuy
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To: MaestroLC

It appears the suspicious package was found at 3:30 am (Britian time) by local police, but they failed to find the explosives within the parcels. It wasn’t until Scotland Yard’s special terrorism task force became involved several hours later, that they discovered the explosives.

What is really odd is why Cameron wasn’t informed until 16 hours after obama was made aware of a bomb plot, and 10 hours after the package had originally been found in England.


39 posted on 10/30/2010 7:13:18 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: cookcounty

Actually I wasn’t being completely serious about shutting down all those offices- you’re right about the economy.

I am just wondering what in the hell is REALLY going on here. IF there really ARE two dozen more bombs out there either here or on their way here for delivery, wouldn’t you expect some major security showing up at these places? Bomb sniffing dogs all over the country being put into action? Something? Anything?

All we’ve heard so far is FedEx and UPS are no longer going to ship items from Yemen.


40 posted on 10/30/2010 7:19:23 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: BwanaNdege
Maybe someone in Britain with a little maturity and wisdom was trying to keep things quiet until there was time to locate, close with, capture & interrogate the senders of the bombs.

So, had Obama done the right thing and kept everything quiet, we might have been able to proceed with an undercover operation and collected some actionable intelligence.

The US Intelligence agencies could have coordinated with the intel divisions of the delivery companies and kept it all under cover. Instead, Obama allowed the whole thing to break Friday, so he could run to the cameras and give the impression that he can defend the country. This has Axelrod's stench all over it.

I can just picture the MI6 folks, who passed the intel on Thursday, doing a facepalm after Obama blew the cover.

41 posted on 10/30/2010 7:19:44 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: penelopesire

The explosives were found on planes from Yemen that had landed at Dubai and Midlands, UK.

They were actual explosives. Not sure when they were found- but Cameron wasn’t told about them til 16 hours after Obama was told.


42 posted on 10/30/2010 7:22:19 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Liz
When this was first breaking yesterday, I was following MSM reporter's tweets...Reuters first reported NO explosive material found (I don't remember where overseas), then they pulled back almost immediately thru a tweet saying there was explosive material..and still had the initial report on their website..the other reporters were confused and kind of teasing them about it.

(Just a tidbit I remembered this morning)

43 posted on 10/30/2010 7:24:07 AM PDT by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: MaestroLC

I’d have to think lower levels in the respective security departments were in contact and it was the Brit hierarchy that dropped the ball on moving their info up to the top. But that assumes a professional cadre, something we lost in 2008.


44 posted on 10/30/2010 7:25:17 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("It's amazing, A man who has such large ears could be so tone deaf" Rush Limbaugh 9/8/10)
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To: MaestroLC

Something does not pass the smell test.

@@@@@

Correct!!

I see this whole charade as a last ditch October surprise to make the One look good.

Did we ever see photographs of President Bush DURING the emergency meeting with his National Securitly Advisors? I don’t think so, and I looked at the “Day in the Life of GWB” every day here on FR.

Yet the continued news coverage of these packages included photo or video of Obama with his crew in a situation or conference room.

Smoke and mirrors!!!


45 posted on 10/30/2010 7:27:05 AM PDT by maica (Freeper 'rllngrk33' coined the acronym 'LAME' the other day...'Liberal Activist Media Establishment')
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To: SE Mom; penelopesire; Liz

You mean CNN had pics before Cameron was even notified?

(Speaking of bombs ... Maybe it’s a ruse for his bomb of a performance on Comedy Central. He had the audience laughing, alright ... laughing AT him.)


46 posted on 10/30/2010 7:27:07 AM PDT by maggief
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To: SE Mom
Another article from the Telegraph lays out a few more details: Cargo plane bomb alert: explosive devices 'designed to harm US synagogues' From the article:

........."The suspected plot was uncovered by MI6 after a tip-off to one of its officers responsible for Yemen, "....

.........."On Friday, airports in the United States were on high alert after parcels containing explosive material, and addressed to synagogues in Chicago, were discovered on cargo aircraft at East Midlands airport and in Dubai. ".........

.........."The "sinister" parcel at East Midlands, contained in a UPS container, comprised what police described as a "manipulated" computer printer cartridge, which was covered in white powder and had wires protruding from it.

The device initially tested negative for traces of explosives but it was understood that a further search uncovered a second suspicious package containing a "cleverly hidden" device in a printer, which included a mobile phone as one of its components.

Officials in the US last night said that early indications were that the packages contained PETN,"............

........." There were reports that up to 20 similar suspect packages had been sent from Sana'a, the capital of Yemen, targeting synagogues in the US. ".........

............"US officials were investigating three theories: that the packages contained viable devices; that they were part of a dry run for a parcel bomb plot; or that they were a hoax designed to cause panic in the US before midterm elections. Mr Brennan said that a "traditional dry-run" would not ordinarily involve the use of explosive materials. ".........

..........."The parcels appear to have been shipped by UPS and FedEx. Using the tracking numbers of all packages sent in a consignment from Sanna, which had been split as it made its way to the US, authorities began checking all other possible suspect packages. ".................
47 posted on 10/30/2010 7:28:35 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: 9YearLurker
It’s certainly not beyond the Chicago political machine to plant the fake bombs and then assure that they get discovered, though I’m not saying that’s what happened.
48 posted on 10/30/2010 7:30:30 AM PDT by maica (Freeper 'rllngrk33' coined the acronym 'LAME' the other day...'Liberal Activist Media Establishment')
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To: SE Mom

It stands to reason that Obama wouldn’t give a damn about warning the brits or the British ‘conservative leader’, Mr. Cameron. Obama always thinks of his political opponents as his real enemies. The islamic terrorists are just an unwelcome side show in his opinion.

The other thing that makes no sense is that the Chicago synagogues were warned of these packages before Obama was even told about the ‘plot’. Very strange indeed.


49 posted on 10/30/2010 7:32:45 AM PDT by penelopesire ('Obama's Wars' are with our own military..Bush's Wars were with our enemies!)
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To: maica

I’m not saying anything is what happened either, but the Chicago Political Machine (and those members thereof in the highest of offices, likely would outsource such a job to, say, the Saudi intelligence service.


50 posted on 10/30/2010 7:33:37 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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