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On Giving Up (Salman Rushdie Comments on Yusuf Islam's (AKA Cat Stevens) Cameo at Jon Stewart rally)
STANDPOINT ^ | 10/31/2010 | Nick Cohen

Posted on 11/01/2010 8:39:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Jon Stewart's Rally for Sanity yesterday featured Yusuf Islam aka Cat Stevens singing "Peace Train". Islam/Stevens previously showed his commitment to peace and sanity by saying that death was the appropriate punishment for Salman Rushdie's "blasphemy".

He has tried to wiggle out of it and issued all kinds of denials.

But here is what he said (SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Stevens%27_comments_about_Salman_Rushdie) to Geoffrey Robertson QC in 1989. (Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-wjxwpvqps)

Robertson: You don't think that this man deserves to die?

Y. Islam: Who, Salman Rushdie?

Robertson: Yes.

Y. Islam: Yes, yes.

Robertson: And do you have a duty to be his executioner?

Y. Islam: Uh, no, not necessarily, unless we were in an Islamic state and I was ordered by a judge or by the authority to carry out such an act - perhaps, yes.

[Some minutes later, Robertson on the subject of a protest where an effigy of the author is to be burned] Robertson: Would you be part of that protest, Yusuf Islam, would you go to a demonstration where you knew that an effigy was going to be burned?

Y. Islam: I would have hoped that it'd be the real thing.

And here is what Rushdie said about him:

"However much Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam may wish to rewrite his past, he was neither misunderstood nor misquoted over his views on the Khomeini fatwa against The Satanic Verses (Seven, April 29). In an article in The New York Times on May 22, 1989, Craig R Whitney reported Stevens/Islam saying on a British television programme "that rather than go to a demonstration to burn an effigy of the author Salman Rushdie, 'I would have hoped that it'd be the real thing'.'' "

He added that "if Mr Rushdie turned up at his doorstep looking for help, 'I might ring somebody who might do more damage to him than he would like. I'd try to phone the Ayatollah Khomeini and tell him exactly where this man is'.''

In a subsequent interview with The New York Times, Mr Whitney added, Stevens/Islam, who had seen a preview of the programme, said that he "stood by his comments".

Let's have no more rubbish about how "green" and innocent this man was.

-- Salman Rushdie, New York

What "Cat" ought to have done was apologise to Rushdie and commit himself to the right to criticise power in whatever form it takes, but he has not and American leftists have yet to learn that they cannot be a little bit liberal. They can't denounce the idiocy of Fox and ignore the idiocies of religion. Maybe they will never learn.

I'm close to giving up.

PS Just had this message from Rushdie: "I've always liked Stewart and Colbert but what on earth was Cat Yusuf Stevens Islam doing on that stage? If he's a "good Muslim" like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar then I'm the Great Pumpkin. Happy Halloween."

PPS: Just had this from my marvellous Observer colleague Andrew Anthony: "He told me in 1997, eight years after saying on TV that Rushdie should be lynched, that he was in favour of stoning women to death for adultery. He also reconfirmed his position on Rushdie. He set up the Islamia school in Brent, which is currently undergoing council-backed expansion. Its mission statement three years ago explicitly stated that its aim was to bring about the submission of the individual, the community and the world at large to Islam. For this aim it now receives state funding. Its an incubator of the most bonkers religious extremism and segregation, and is particularly strong on the public erasure of women. Why do people go to such lengths to ignore these aspects of Yusuf Islam's character and philosophy?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: catcrapstevens; catstevens; eurabia; islam; jonstewart; murdercult; rally; salmanrushdie; sanity; stewart; yusufislam

1 posted on 11/01/2010 8:39:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Traitorous insanity strikes again.


2 posted on 11/01/2010 8:43:50 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: SeekAndFind
message from Rushdie: "I've always liked Stewart and Colbert...
There's the problem, right there.

If you like commie stooges, and understand that in today's world commie stooges are also muzzie stooges, then you have to accept their support for fatwa's against your life.

3 posted on 11/01/2010 8:44:41 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm burning my copy of "Teaser and the Firecat"!

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
4 posted on 11/01/2010 8:44:51 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: SeekAndFind

There was a time when filth like Stevens/Islam would not be allowed to enter this country.

I pray he gets exiled to some Islamic totalitarian state where they will regulate his every breath.

Islam is a brain virus. Very destructive.

The only known cure is Jesus Christ.


5 posted on 11/01/2010 8:45:02 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: SeekAndFind; Larry Lucido; Cagey; MotleyGirl70; Gamecock

When Sal Bass talks, people listen:

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Kramer and Jerry at the health club. They see “Salman Rushdie” talking to Sidra.

JERRY: There’s Sidra.

KRAMER: There’s Salman.

JERRY: Where?

KRAMER: Talkin’ to that woman.

JERRY: Talkin’ to Sidra?

KRAMER: If that’s Sidra, she’s talkin’ to Salman.

JERRY: I don’t think that’s Salman.

KRAMER: Well, I don’t think they’re real.

JERRY: If that’s Rushdie, they’re real.

KRAMER: If they’re real, that’s Rushdie.


6 posted on 11/01/2010 8:48:30 AM PDT by earlJam
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To: SeekAndFind
Cat Steven's dilemma is that he was already a well-known celebrity when he converted to a different religion.

There's a class of people who go to such converts and ask them questions as if they are authorities on the religion.

Whether it's fair or not, that's what goes on.

I spent about an hour today reading up on Cat Stevens. The Rushdie thing is not all that meaningful ~ but I'd like to say this about that ~ Islam has established death as the proper penalty for apostasy. If Christians were like Moslems we'd cut Cat Stevens to pieces.

Well, now, he's stuck in that religion so too bad Cat. People will keep suckering that answer out of you forever.

Not to defend Rushdie ~ he thought it quite acceptable to defame Mohammad's wives. They are not known to have ridden about lopping heads themselves, and at least one of them is reputed to have been but a child.

I think we can deal with criticism of Mohammad without trashing innocent women. It's just not Christian to do that, and if Rushdie is going to live among us he should learn to hold to our standards. if we weren't protecting his sorry butt he'd be cut into little pieces as well.

7 posted on 11/01/2010 8:49:36 AM PDT by muawiyah ("GIT OUT THE WAY" The Republicans are coming)
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To: muawiyah
Not to defend Rushdie ~ he thought it quite acceptable to defame Mohammad's wives. They are not known to have ridden about lopping heads themselves, and at least one of them is reputed to have been but a child.

I think we can deal with criticism of Mohammad without trashing innocent women. It's just not Christian to do that, and if Rushdie is going to live among us he should learn to hold to our standards. if we weren't protecting his sorry butt he'd be cut into little pieces as well.

Have you read his work?

8 posted on 11/01/2010 8:55:32 AM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: samtheman

Rushdie is cowardly and stupid. He hid behind Margaret Thatcher’s skirts while publicly attacking her policies. Now WE are stuck with this creep as he goes from wife to wife and super model to super model (did you ever see what this guy looks like??) all the while putting down America and supporting the Ground Zero mosque. Christopher Hitchens can have him!

Now that I’ve ranted about him, I am disgusted at Cat Stevens being invited to perform at that concert. I guess Colbert and Stewart are determined to defeat liberal democrats.


9 posted on 11/01/2010 8:57:21 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: muawiyah

Rushdie didn’t get the Fatwah for trashing M’s wives. He got it for revealing the Satanic Verses and exposing Islam for what it is.


10 posted on 11/01/2010 8:58:58 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yusuf Islam aka Cat Stevens is a very disturbed individual from way back.


11 posted on 11/01/2010 8:59:14 AM PDT by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Ride on the peace train . . . OR I’LL KILL YOU!”


12 posted on 11/01/2010 9:04:14 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: SeekAndFind
He added that "if Mr Rushdie turned up at his doorstep looking for help, 'I might ring somebody who might do more damage to him than he would like. I'd try to phone the Ayatollah Khomeini and tell him exactly where this man is'.''

What a perfect liberal. Hates so completely that he wishes other people will do commit murder

13 posted on 11/01/2010 9:04:27 AM PDT by fml
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To: miss marmelstein

Personally, I think Colbert and Stewart are disappointed that most of the people who showed up were the typical lefty losers. They picture themselves as the voice of the moderate, centrists, and that was certainly not a moderate, centrist crowd out there.


14 posted on 11/01/2010 9:10:20 AM PDT by dfwgator (Texas Rangers -Thanks for a great season.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The rhetorical question is asked as to why people go to such lengths to ignore what this man is all about. Even worse is the utter cowardice of the authorities in England, who run around seeking out the smallest error in speech. A man was charged with arguing with his neighbour of Middle-Eastern descent about the war in Iraq. Insults were exchanged. I think he got off though.

That (to my knowledge) this man Stevens was not charged or even reprimanded, is all about the cowardice in England re Islam. I believe a reprimand would have been in order, not wishing to silence such a man. For if only people there, realise what it is all about, by this awful man's perverted ideas, it is to the good.

Orwell turns in his grave.

15 posted on 11/01/2010 9:14:49 AM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: dfwgator

I’m not really sure what the point of the Cat Stevens appearance was... was it satire? To prove a point?

Yusuf got cut in the the middle of signing PEACE TRAIN by Colbert who droned on and on about why he’s not riding on that “TRAIN”... then suddenly, Ozzy Osbourne appeared singing someting different...

It was clearly a skit to illustrate something, which Yusuf agreed to participate in, but I don’t know what the point was....


16 posted on 11/01/2010 9:15:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The Return to The Sanatorium Rally.


17 posted on 11/01/2010 9:19:15 AM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: miss marmelstein

agreed


18 posted on 11/01/2010 9:22:21 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: fml

“What a perfect liberal. Hates so completely that he wishes other people will do commit murder.”

That is the Post of the Election season.


19 posted on 11/01/2010 9:26:36 AM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Poor slob that he is, he started with that “Moon Shadow” and next thing you know he’s worshipping the “moon god”.


20 posted on 11/01/2010 9:28:47 AM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: massgopguy
The fatwah was specifically about insulting Mohammad ~ and that's the part where the wives come in. The story itself trashes the wives.

I wouldn't get too close kissing this guy's butt if I were you. Rushdie is as bad as the others of his type.

21 posted on 11/01/2010 9:44:05 AM PDT by muawiyah ("GIT OUT THE WAY" The Republicans are coming)
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To: pgyanke
Yes. He's clearly not a modern Conservative. Just another funny little foreign Leftwingtard who wants us to fight his battles for him.

Actually, his attitudes are very consistent with 8th century Islam ~ that's where women are servants for men's pleasure and nothing more.

22 posted on 11/01/2010 9:47:36 AM PDT by muawiyah ("GIT OUT THE WAY" The Republicans are coming)
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To: muawiyah
I never claimed he was a conservative. His attitudes toward women are about what you describe... though not to the extreme you mention.

I simply ask if you've read his work because the target of his research is Islam and its founder, not the wives. They are mentioned primarily because of his relationship to them. For example, you mentioned the child, A'isha. She isn't interesting because she married Mad Mo at six years old. She's an interesting subject because Mad Mo took her as his wife at six years old.

It's a distinction that makes a difference. It shows the type of man he was, not the type of girl she was.

23 posted on 11/01/2010 10:01:02 AM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: pgyanke
Actually she ended up being somebody's honored ancestor, but the ages were "wrong" so they wrote her into the genealogy as one of Mohammad's wives (if, in fact, he even existed).

It's part and parcel of the "female as throwaway" that permeates Islam and the minds of Moslems.

That's my point.

The entire "insulting Islam" stuff is just BS they use to harrass Christians, Jews and women. Rushdie is part of the game.

24 posted on 11/01/2010 10:14:19 AM PDT by muawiyah ("GIT OUT THE WAY" The Republicans are coming)
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To: SeekAndFind

Anyone else see the irony of having Ozzy Osbourne perform at a concert to restore sanity?


25 posted on 11/01/2010 10:14:42 AM PDT by crosshairs (Guns have two enemies: Rust and Politicians)
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To: SeekAndFind

FU and the “Peace Train” you rode in on, ya psycho.


26 posted on 11/01/2010 10:15:54 AM PDT by crosshairs (Guns have two enemies: Rust and Politicians)
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To: pgyanke

RE: Mad Mo took her as his wife at six years old.


I don’t want to imagine this, but I just have to ask -— when was the marriage consumated if at all? I hope Mo waited till she was (how to put it), more of age... because if not, the Muzzies will actually be following a Paedophile (there’s no other word to describe it).


27 posted on 11/01/2010 10:31:43 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Nine.

No offense... but where have you been?


28 posted on 11/01/2010 10:33:48 AM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: pgyanke

RE: Nine.

No offense... but where have you been?


Nine ??? I’m glad I am not eating lunch after reading this.

I guess I should study their beliefs more... but here’s what I know.... the main sacred book the Muzzies accept is THE KORAN. The others are the Hadiths ( the sayings and works of Muhammad ).

I believe ( and correct me if I am wrong ), ALL Muslims accept the Koran, but not all accept the Hadiths as entirely authentic.

Question : Is this marriage to the girl of 6 in the Koran or the Hadiths, and if in the Hadith, how many percent of Muslims believe these Hadiths?

I am asking this question because if the answer to the latter question is — A SIGNIFICANT MAJORITY, then I would have to conclude that :

A) Most Muslims don’t consider Paedophilia a moral depravity

or if they do,

B) Most Muslims are in cognitive dissonance, wanting to believe that Paedophilia is immoral, yet, accepting that their prophet is a Paedophile (yet not immoral?).


29 posted on 11/01/2010 10:43:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
I've seen you on here for a long time... I'm surprised you haven't found the answers to your questions before. It's in the Quran and here is a decent summary of the social issues.

Islam and its followers are a curious sort. Even the most ardent fundamentalist jihadi is allowed his depravity since his sacrifice is the primary focus of his worship (the 9/11 hijackers spent the night before in a strip club). They party in Bahrain and sober up quickly when halfway back to Saudi Arabia. It is a dictotomous religion full of contradictions.

30 posted on 11/01/2010 10:58:28 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: dfwgator

I have no use for Colbert or Stewart. They are smug, low-class no-nothings who snark on the good people of America. They got the audience they deserved!

Am I the only one deeply offended that Stewart called the PRESIDENT OF THE USA a “dude”?! Forget the man; remember the office. For shame!


31 posted on 11/01/2010 11:00:28 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: pgyanke

RE: I’ve seen you on here for a long time... I’m surprised you haven’t found the answers to your questions before. It’s in the Quran


I don’t pretend to read every single thread about Islam out there... I spend most of my time on Political issues, so if there is a post mention of Muhammad having sex with a 9 year old, I must missed it. I just learned about it ( you learn something new everyday).

I don’t pretend to know everything, but I do know how to ask the right questions.

One of the questions that popped up after perusing the Wikipedia site you referred to is this -— THE ARTICLE DOES NOT MENTION THAT THE QURAN MADE THE HISTORICAL REFERENCE TO HIS MARRIAGE CONSUMATION WITH AISHA AT AGE 9.

If there were, I would have expected a reference to a Surah, a chapter in the Koran mentioning this.

Most of the references to Muhammad’s consumating his marriage with a 9 year old were from Traditional Sources or Historians of Islam ( See for instance the section of the article you referred to me entitled : Marriage to Muhammad ).

In which case, if one were to bring this issue up with a Muslim, he can always say -— “I am against Paedophilia, and I only believe the Koran. What historians allege or write could be wrong and in this case, they are.”

Not defending them, just saying that there will always be a way out of the charge : “Muhammad was a Paedophile”, for the modern Musim trying to defend him.


32 posted on 11/01/2010 11:33:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

My apologies. I don’t have much time for research right now... calling to get out the vote. I saw a reference to the Quran and extrapolated that she must have received at least a mention. I inferred too much.


33 posted on 11/01/2010 11:42:36 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Westbrook

I know I could get banned for saying this, but in Islam they believe that Jesus will return to the earth, Do you believe he will return?


34 posted on 11/01/2010 1:25:27 PM PDT by jd777
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To: SeekAndFind
Question : Is this marriage to the girl of 6 in the Koran or the Hadiths, and if in the Hadith, how many percent of Muslims believe these Hadiths?

Child brides are not uncommon in the Islamic world, due to this 'history'. It is enshrined in sharia 'law' that a female may be married at age 6, although, as was the case with A'isha, sexual consummation may not occur until age 9. For what it's worth, A'isha was a widow by age 11. Thus she was wife, and widow, long before she actually became a woman (ie, attained puberty...)

the infowarrior

35 posted on 11/02/2010 12:25:08 AM PDT by infowarrior
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