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Everything you thought you knew about food is WRONG...
Daily Mail ^ | 1st November 2010 | Alice Hart-Davis

Posted on 11/01/2010 12:15:18 PM PDT by the scotsman

Fibre's bad for you. Fat's healthy. And five-a-day is a gimmick to make fruit and veg firms rich. Or so claims a remarkable new book

'We think we know what to eat: less red meat and more fibre, less saturated fat and more fruit and veg, right? Wrong, according to a controversial new book by obesity researcher and nutritionist Zoe Harcombe.

In The Obesity Epidemic: What Caused It? How Can We Stop It? Harcombe charts her meticulous journey of research into studies that underpin dietary advice — and her myth-busting conclusions are startling.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: atkinsdiet; dieting
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1 posted on 11/01/2010 12:15:18 PM PDT by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

So does this mean I can now eat a double bacon cheeseburger in good conscience? :)


2 posted on 11/01/2010 12:20:05 PM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Hang in there, baby! November's comin'...)
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To: the scotsman
I've known a lot of people who were careful about diet and exercise. A lot of them died young. And the ones who are still around have a lot of health problems.

I've known a lot of lazy, fat people who smoked and drank as they pleased. In general, these people have been happy and have lived a long time.

Example: My parents had dear friends who were fat smokers who had to stop going to museums (walking that much tired them out). My parents pitied them and used them as an object lesson for me. But, my parents died 10 and 20 years ago and of their two friends, one died this past August (age 84) and the other is still alive.

3 posted on 11/01/2010 12:20:51 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: secret garden

Ping to read later.


4 posted on 11/01/2010 12:21:19 PM PDT by secret garden (Why procrastinate when you can perendinate?)
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To: the scotsman

Carbs are fine if they have fiber in them, you won’t eat some much of them - therefore eliminating the ‘gorging’ on carbs. That’s how they are in nature. They also are unbleached.


5 posted on 11/01/2010 12:21:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers
So does this mean I can now eat a double bacon cheeseburger in good conscience? :)

Heavens NO!!! You must first remove the buns.

6 posted on 11/01/2010 12:21:26 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers
So does this mean I can now eat a double bacon cheeseburger in good conscience? :)

Yes, but without the bun.

7 posted on 11/01/2010 12:21:58 PM PDT by Ozone34 ("There are only two philosophies: Thomism and bullshitism!" -Leon Bloy)
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To: the scotsman

Sounds like the UK version of Atkins. Wonder when that man will ever posthumously win the Nobel Prize in Medicine? He was a genius.


8 posted on 11/01/2010 12:22:31 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue
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To: the scotsman

There are so many variables in individual people, mostly based on genetics, that it is difficult to make generalizations about diet. The old adage of “whatever works for you” is appropriate.


9 posted on 11/01/2010 12:24:24 PM PDT by henkster (A broken government does not merit full faith and credit.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers
So does this mean I can now eat a double bacon cheeseburger in good conscience? :)

Yes, but make sure you get that death-enhancing lettuce out of there first.

10 posted on 11/01/2010 12:24:30 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberalism can be summed up thusly: someone craps their pants and we all have to wear diapers)
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To: the scotsman

no bread, no grains, no fruit, no sugar.

as much as I want of everything else.


11 posted on 11/01/2010 12:24:30 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: the scotsman
I feel best with a steak in my belly, vegies, a salad and a glass of milk. Cereal and milk or graham crackers and milk for a snack.

TWO MEALS A DAY!!!!! Lunch and dinner and late snack.

Rarely drink soda or eat chips.

Made homemade pea soup yesterday. The ham was a fresh ham...ohhhhhh....sooooo tasty. Great soup!! I did good!!

P.S. Can't afford steak!!

12 posted on 11/01/2010 12:24:35 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: the scotsman

Sounds like they’re prepping the RATS who will be on a steady diet of CROW in 24 hours.


13 posted on 11/01/2010 12:25:11 PM PDT by SanFranDan
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To: the scotsman

I suspect that if you could dig down you would find that much of the current advice on what we should eat comes from radical animal rights advocates.


14 posted on 11/01/2010 12:25:53 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Minus the bun. Well, and probably minus the fake cheese.


15 posted on 11/01/2010 12:26:28 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: the scotsman

I went on the Adkins diet and IT WORKS.

I went off of it and started gaining again.

It’s time for me to embrace steak and eggs again.


16 posted on 11/01/2010 12:27:21 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: the scotsman

All right!!!


17 posted on 11/01/2010 12:28:02 PM PDT by McKayopectate
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To: Marty62

Trace Adkins has a diet?


18 posted on 11/01/2010 12:28:49 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Marty62

I did it for years, and as long as I stayed on it faithfully either lost or remained steady (and my doctor loved my HDL/LDL ratios. Unfortunately it gets extremely boring (at least it did for me) especially in our culture where you are constantly bombarded by the complete opposite.


19 posted on 11/01/2010 12:30:40 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: the scotsman

So Woody Allen was right in Sleeper after all.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070707/quotes?qt0231370


20 posted on 11/01/2010 12:31:41 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: the scotsman

I am a registered dietitan who lives on Atkins. It is not a diet, it is my way of life. My labs are all WNL, as is my blood pressure and weight. I eat butter, red meat, full fat cheeses, whipping cream and eggs as the mainstay of my diet. I also eat a boatload of veggie salads with bacon bits and whole fat dressings. I make a rockin’ low carb cheesecake of all different flavors that could win a blue ribbon. I finally got my mom converted and after 15 years of obesity she dropped 5-7 pounds a week and is now feeling healthy for the first time in a very long time. Most men/women were not made to eat and process white sugar and flour, or more than 50 grams of carb a day! If you don’t believe me I can site the facts to you...but you may not want to get me started. If you are struggling with obesity, and/or health issues, try the “under 50 carbs” way of life for yourself. I promise you will feel better than you have in years! Okay, off my soapbox!


21 posted on 11/01/2010 12:31:49 PM PDT by republicanbred (...and when I die I'll be republican dead.)
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To: neverdem

ping


22 posted on 11/01/2010 12:32:58 PM PDT by GOPJ ('Power abdicates only under the stress of counter-power." Martin Buber /a Tea-nami's coming..)
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To: the scotsman
If you push yourself into doing extra exercise, it will be counterproductive because you will get hungry ? your body will be craving carbohydrate to replenish its lost stores.

"If you are trying to control weight, it is so much easier to control what you put into your mouth. Not how much, but what. Then it doesn't matter what you do or don't do by way of exercise."

BS. The connection between exercise and hunger is tenuous at best. Whatever connection exists is healthy. You are going to eat that cake. The question is, will you earn it first. If three hours on a bike causes a craving for carbs, you've earned it. Dig in and be happy.

For many not born to be skinny, exercise as a lifestyle is the only prayer of normal weight. Eating like a rabbit, or even as this author suggests, is not sustainable.

23 posted on 11/01/2010 12:34:08 PM PDT by Minn
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To: the scotsman
What I know about food:

Good food looks good, smells good, tastes good ...
Then I eat it.
After some time passes, I see it again.
It doesn't look good or smell good any more.

Are you saying that's wrong?

24 posted on 11/01/2010 12:35:23 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

If you throw out the onion, pickle and bun.


25 posted on 11/01/2010 12:35:43 PM PDT by magslinger ('This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!')
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To: brytlea

My main problem is I love specialty breads. BIG NO NO.

It is not a matter of choice for me now. I need to swim for my back. And I REFUSE to put on a Bathing suit. I know Adtkins said to stay away from a scale for the 1st 14 days, but I broke down and bought one Sat.
Now my posts are going to get really nasty, bad mood instigator.


26 posted on 11/01/2010 12:35:59 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: neverdem; DvdMom; grey_whiskers; Ladysmith

Phat ping.


27 posted on 11/01/2010 12:36:44 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Sacajaweau

Oy! Steak and milk! Enough to make this goyishe gal sick to her stomach!


28 posted on 11/01/2010 12:38:57 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: the scotsman

So much of the ideas about what is a healty diet the last 50 years have seemed to center around what is a “heart healty” diet. Given that heart diesease is the #1 killer, that would seem to be a good model to follow.

Still, you have to wonder if there aren’t other ideas we should take into consideration.

One show I saw recently pointed out that a jump in human IQ was associated with humans (1) starting to eat meat, and (2) cooking food. Apparently there is a trade-off between the resources your body uses to process food, and the resources your body allots to your braind. Or as they put it “big gut and small brain vs small gut and big brain.”

Meat contains a lot of energy in a small package. Cooked food is easier to digest. So both allow the “small gut and big brain” model to work.

The pointed out that even though cooking destroys some vitamins, because the cooked food is easier to digest you actually abosorb more from the cooked food than the raw food (including vegatables and grains). What they said actually contradicts the current trend that raw, natual foods are better for you.

So now I’m totally confused about what to eat.


29 posted on 11/01/2010 12:38:57 PM PDT by Brookhaven (The next step for the Tea Party--The Conservative Hand--is available at Amazon.com)
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To: the scotsman

I am having a Red Stipe now for lunch/pre-supper.


30 posted on 11/01/2010 12:40:30 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: Marty62

The reason it works is simple.

You (and everyone else) need protein. Your body replaces billions of cells every day. Your connective tissues are constantly breaking down and being replaced. All of the hormones and enzymes in the body are made from proteins.

If you cut way back on proteins and concentrate on carbs, it will have two effects: You will go on an insulin rollercoaster, and no matter what, you will ALWAYS be hungry. You will be hungry for proteins, but you will eat more carbs, which won’t satisfy your protein hunger.


31 posted on 11/01/2010 12:41:23 PM PDT by djf (The word "concise" is too big!)
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To: Brookhaven
So now I’m totally confused about what to eat.

Eat it all in moderation including cream puffs. Grandma did for 99 years.

32 posted on 11/01/2010 12:42:29 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Onelifetogive
Heavens NO!!! You must first remove the buns.

Problem solved!

33 posted on 11/01/2010 12:43:45 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (/s, in case you need to ask)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I would have to agree with you on this. My mother-in-law just died at age 87. She was extremely obese most of her adult life - she did pay the price for that and got diabetes but she was a happy and joyful soul.

Another point. I grew up eating the basic American diet - you know every night at dinner: meat, a vegetable and a starch (potato or rice).

The basic change I see from my childhood diet to today is that as kids:

1. We did not drink soda pop (koolaid, lemonade or ice tea was a treat but NO pop!)
2. We did not eat processed foods for the most part. All cooking was from scratch - TV dinners were a rare exception.
3. We really didn’t snack that much now that I think about it. I would eat a snack after school but that was about it.
4. We rarely ATE OUT.

I think eating out is a major reason for obesity - portions, sodium and fat are all issues.


34 posted on 11/01/2010 12:47:10 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: republicanbred
If you are struggling with obesity, and/or health issues, try the “under 50 carbs” way of life for yourself.

I recently went on a diet based on the glycemic load theory. I try to stay around 60 points, and NEVER go over 100.

I can't believe I'm steadily losing a pound a week by cutting back to only small amounts of carbs, yet still able to have cheese, meat, eggs, butter, fresh fruit, and all those other yummy things.... including dark chocolate!

My only 'splurge' now is an occasional Coca Cola - and that's only if I've kept my accumulative daily points down to 'afford' it.

35 posted on 11/01/2010 12:47:31 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Cut out the bun.


36 posted on 11/01/2010 12:51:56 PM PDT by DallasDeb (USAFA '06 Mom)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers
So does this mean I can now eat a double bacon cheeseburger in good conscience? :)

Science. Not conscience!

Also available in a triple. At your local Wendy's.

37 posted on 11/01/2010 12:53:02 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

too many carbs.


38 posted on 11/01/2010 12:53:24 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Try Dodd and Frank for robbery and treason.)
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To: the scotsman

This is just Atkins or Protein Power advice that has been around at least twenty years. But there is much evidence that it is the best dietary advice.


39 posted on 11/01/2010 12:56:24 PM PDT by Will88
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To: the scotsman

I nominate this for the most inept headline of the year.


40 posted on 11/01/2010 12:58:02 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: Paved Paradise
No soda. No chips....

But I can still remember dumping 2 cups of sugar into the pitcher to make koolaid. AND WE DRANK IT ALL SUMMER LONG.

And I can still remember huge bowls of popcorn....with lotsa margarine....3,4,5 times a week.

It's the dinner that was the control. It filled you up. Desert?? Rarely...Canned peaches maybe...

3 full Meals is too much and these schools that are dishing out breakfast should cut the food in half....except the milk. These school kids weren't fat before we started supplying these meals. We made a mistake.

41 posted on 11/01/2010 1:00:04 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: djf

You just describe the rollercoaster I have been on.

I want off and now. The connective tissue issue really resonates.
Thanks, I needed the independent opinion.


42 posted on 11/01/2010 1:05:10 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: Brookhaven
One show I saw recently pointed out that a jump in human IQ was associated with humans (1) starting to eat meat, and (2) cooking food.

What's cause and what's effect?

Cooking requires a degree of smarts found in only one species. So, it must have been the jump in IQ that caused cooking, not the other way around. Cooking also requires fire (unless you are way smart and have figured out alternative energy sources).

I wonder which came first, language or cooking? Being able to discuss how much better that forest-fire roasted deer tasted than the normally hunted venison might marshal a cooperative effort to harness those flames!

43 posted on 11/01/2010 1:08:08 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: the scotsman

I’m on the cardiologist’s diet. There’s only one rule to remember, “If it tastes good, spit it out.”


44 posted on 11/01/2010 1:13:21 PM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: Sacajaweau

“But I can still remember dumping 2 cups of sugar into the pitcher to make koolaid. AND WE DRANK IT ALL SUMMER LONG.”

The secret to good Kool Aid was only 3/4 cup of sugar and only a little more than one quart of water. Tangy! My poor kids have never tasted Kool Aid. I feel bad for them.


45 posted on 11/01/2010 1:15:16 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Brookhaven

Big gut, small brain ... describes our cows.

I started working at a factory and lost about 20 pounds while drinking pop and eating junk food daily.

My other numbers are way down, too.

I feel best when I eat meals based on the four basic food groups. Anybody remember those?


46 posted on 11/01/2010 1:16:09 PM PDT by Cloverfarm (This too shall pass ...)
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To: republicanbred

Hmmm...thanks for the information, I will look into the “under 50 carbs”, you mention. Sounds interesting.


47 posted on 11/01/2010 1:17:59 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: djf; Marty62
If you cut way back on proteins and concentrate on carbs, it will have two effects: You will go on an insulin rollercoaster, and no matter what, you will ALWAYS be hungry. You will be hungry for proteins, but you will eat more carbs, which won’t satisfy your protein hunger.

Two things: 1. whereas a high fat diet will depress hunger signals longer and a high carb meal can lead to you feeling hungry again more quickly, you don't experience hunger for a particular macronutrient. 2. The typical American diet far exceeds daily protein needs.

Because of this, almost no one, except for an alcoholic or someone with a small bowel disease, will fail to have all the amino acids needed for protein synthesis. Amino acids from remodeling of tissue are recycled and all but the ten essential amino acids can by synthesized. If you eat even a relatively small amount of meat each week, you'll have all the essential aa you need.
48 posted on 11/01/2010 1:20:39 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: republicanbred

Please post the cheesecake recipe. Seriously.


49 posted on 11/01/2010 1:20:45 PM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: brytlea; ZirconEncrustedTweezers
Minus the bun. Well, and probably minus the fake cheese.

Exactly! If you must have a bun use a very small one, and cheese sliced from a brick of cheddar, a slice of tomato and onions, and you have a very healthy meal.

If you use a big bun, processed cheese, etc, you might as well eat plastic with your dinner.

50 posted on 11/01/2010 1:24:28 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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