Posted on 11/02/2010 5:11:48 AM PDT by expat_panama
Sure and I'll also claim the sky is blue and when someone questions something that obvious you have a safe bet they have sophistry and semantic games in mind. Coupled with your posting history one can issue a 100% guarantee that's going to be the case. You need new material toddster.
These trade agreements reduced government intervention on both sides.
Our mushrooming expense for food stamps, medicaid, EITC, unpaid medical bills, and all the government subsidy programs for low wage earners are a cost of our current economic and trade policies.
If only we raised the tariff on Chinese made lawn furniture we could eliminate food stamps, medicaid, EITC, unpaid medical bills, and all the government subsidy programs for low wage earners?
Every trick available to increase the supply of labor and decrease the cost has been used.
Huh? Did Obamacare decrease the cost of American labor?
The policy of exporting jobs to cheap labor, and the policy of allowing employers to lure cheap, illegal alien labor to the US saves nothing.
All the free traders I know want to build a real wall on the border and ship a couple of million illegals back home. For starters.
So can you? Or will you keep running away?
Great, let's agree that we don't want taxes on either kind of American trade --foreign or domestic. OK, ultimately there's no difference because virtually any import gets resold inside the US and the bottom line here is that import taxes hurt all Americans.
--or like a guy saying 'nyah nyah, your end of the boat is sinking'.
Well, you're moving the goalposts here as I was trying to determine what preferences free traders had, not discern consequences. But ok, let's discuss taxes on trade between Americans. Which ones would you like to discuss?
As with any government policy some may benefit more than they are harmed. I just want to know why given the choices between internal and external taxes, free traders prefer internal.
Well Mase actually attempted to make the argument one was easier to reduce than the other so attack that one. He's the first one I've seen take that tact. I disagree with his premise, but at least it's coherent.
I'm not moving any goalposts. I'm just trying to figure out which taxes you wish to compare.
But ok, let's discuss taxes on trade between Americans. Which ones would you like to discuss?
I'd like to talk about the taxes on trade between Americans that you referenced in post #67. Then we can discuss why you think tariffs would be better than those other taxes.
Oh no please. Seniority first. You've been at this game for so much longer than me. I think you, after all these years of your "debating" on free trade threads, should finally explain why you prefer internal taxes to external taxes (since you're not an anarchist of course and agree there will be some form of taxation).
And it would be nice if you could do it without resorting to tangents dissecting the definitions of two syllable words and their usage. I won't hold my breath.
How would you know how long, if at all, I've been debating on free trade threads?
should finally explain why you prefer internal taxes to external taxes
Why are you moving the goalposts? You didn't mention internal versus external taxes in post #67, you mentioned "taxes on trade between Americans".
If you can't think of any, just admit it.
Tariffs and import restrictions no more anti-business than domestic business income taxes and regulation. Either intervention will "distort" the marketplace. The only question is whether to continue distorting the market in favor of off-shoring or shift the balance back in favor of the American worker.
Globalist elites have targeted the American middle class for economic and cultural destruction because they see it as a political threat.
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You didn't mention internal versus external taxes in post #67, you mentioned "taxes on trade between Americans".
And there he goes folks, off to drag the thread into a disingenuous semantics tangent. You could set your watch to it, I swear.
I know, can you believe it, I keep using your own words. You could set your watch to it.
If you can't think of any of those taxes, you can just admit it. I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself by running away again.
You're a known entity around here. I knew where this was headed the second I saw your screen name in my inbox. I bet it stinks when you have a one trick schtick and you get called on it. Not gonna play your game toddster. You want to make a statement of assertion and I rebut it, and we have an honest back and forth, fine. I'm more than willing to do that. But if you want to continue in the disingenuous manner you have for years on these threads, well I'm not playing.
You're running so hard, how can we debate?
Looking over your history......
Doing a lot of research? Why not research the "taxes on trade between Americans"?
Not gonna play your game toddster.
No kidding, you've been running from your silly comment since the moment I asked you to explain it.
But if you want to continue in the disingenuous manner....
I know, asking you to explain what you meant by, "taxes on trade between Americans", how dare I question a longtime Freeper such as yourself?
The thread's all yours toddster. I'm off to enjoy the returns and tears on the networks. Learn a new move (doubtful) and I'm sure we can try this again on another thread.
If you ever stop running long enough to explain, “taxes on trade between Americans”, you be sure to ping me.
Income taxes, property taxes, and fees on corporations and their employees who manufacture and sell in the domestic market. Also the sales tax. Revenue from tariffs could be used to decrease the harmful economic distortions caused by domestic taxation.
If lawn furniture imports were replaced by domestic manufacturers who hired underemployed food stamps recipients then yes, absolutely.
If lawn furniture imports were replaced by domestic manufacturers who hired underemployed food stamps recipients then yes, absolutely.
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