Skip to comments.Angle Camp: Not so fast
Posted on 11/02/2010 11:40:14 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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I think so too but it hardly counts as a silver lining
“B1 Bob” Dornan’s brother is a neighbor here.
So I know plenty about election fraud, and the republican leadership’s cowardice in not doing enough to fight it.
33,000+ votes, certainly a few thousand are from illegals, who the RNC will cower before.
A few thousand more were no doubt bought/intimidation, again the RNC will not want to make waves.
I am sure a couple thousand were from the dead, fictional characters, the comatose, and other creative uses of mail-in ballots.
Still not 33,000 worth of provable fraud.
No matter how much I despise Sierra Harry, I really doubt any investigation will change the result.
I know the RNC will not help, they are terrified of being “Mean”, “Racist” or “disrespectful of the process”.
So Sharon would be on her own, the result would only weaken her as a poor loser and deprive her of seed money for her next race.
Dream Act is on his radar.
“The voting process in this country should be impeccably honest and reliable. If the republicans are worth anything then they need to set upon this task.”
‘If the republicans are worth anything’
Not to mention this must be one of the highest priorities of the the Tea Parties.
USFS, BLM, EPA, DOE, EPA, BIA, “Wilderness” designations, Etc.
You are really pushing for Sharon to drop it/ignore it. Nothing conservative about that.
I don’t need a reply on what you think - it’s quite clear.
I think you are confusing “Conservative” and “Reactionary”!
Big difference in my definitions.
Overall we did well tonight, but not as well as hoped.
Disappointment is a part of life, conservatives learn to deal with it and gain strength from it.
“Nevada, I read, was flooded with Democrat staffers and operatives from Washington, D.C., over the weekend. The Democratic Party is no doubt up to its eyeballs in this scandal.
The Republican Party should come out fighting for Sharon Angle in this case. Enough is enough!”
If they don’t fight it vigorously now, we can expect more in ‘12. IMO, this assignment is being given to Sharon on a silver platter. IMO, she can do more with that battle - for the nation - than that one seat.
“She was done wrong.”
But she conceded and that’s not going to help this case. Mebbe she’ll unconcede tomorrow, when they crunch the numbers and look at the other incongruities in the other state races. Gore unconceded, there is precedent.
“but I would take a minority House with 68 Senators.....Senators pick the court.”
Even if 20 to 25 of ‘em voted against you half the time? Like McCain? 2012 is coming you know, and the RATS are vulnerable there in a BIG way. We also need to be strategic and build a Constitutional Coalition - as the GOP has shown they cannot be fully trusted...
“Also odd is that according to my count there are 17,000 more votes for senate than governor.”
And the oddities and the case builds...why did Angle concede??!
“If you find out why, ping me.”
My theory is that she’s just believing the media reports of the counts. Seems pretty lame to me. Come on Sharron - we didn’t stand by you all these months to have you go out with a whimper...
Her camp did issue a memo about their concern for voter fraud. Here’s her big chance to do something about it - for the country with future elections.
Your disappointment is clearly overriding your sense!
If I and my realism are not “Conservative” enough for you, I’m not sure I would want to know who or what is.
Your definition of “Conservative” must be very special (twisted) indeed!
Seven polls, all in general agreement, all show Angle up. Their MOE are typical of scientific polls - 2-3% typically. The margin of victory exceeded the margin of error by two or three times. A poll from a professional, reputable polling firm may be off from time to time. Not seven polls that all agree.
To exonerate the polling methodology we compared the polls of several other races against those races' final results. Nothing like this appeared in those other races.
The reason the GOP doesn’t do more to fight vote fraud after it happens isn’t cowardice or not wanting to be called “racist”, I think it’s more because it’s so difficult to overturn election results through the courts. We tried that in the Franken/Coleman election and we couldn’t get those results overturned in court, when clearly the Rat vote counters methodically stole that election from Coleman. We have to prevent vote fraud from happening in the first place and the GOP has made mistakes in prevention over the years, such as allowing the Motor Voter bill to get through congress. Part of the problem is that Republicans are generally honest people and so we just don’t think of the extent to which democrats are willing to use corrupt and fraudulent methods to steal elections. We underestimate how much they will take advantage of every opportunity they are given to cheat and steal votes.
Republicans probably thought the Motor Voter law would only cause a small amount of vote fraud, but instead it’s been used to register all kinds of illegal immigrants and felons and has lead to massive vote fraud. We’re just behind the democrats at figuring out what methods they will use next to cheat and steal elections, largely because we just don’t think people can be so dishonest. Well they sure can and many of these people are “Chavistas” who want to end democracy as we know it in America and effectively have a one-party system where elections are just a sham show in which their party always wins the majority in the House and Senate and always takes the White House. That’s what a lot of liberals and “progressives” really want—a one party dictatorship like Chavez runs in Venezuela. They talk like they respect democracy, but actions speak louder than words as we’re seeing tonight in Nevada.
We've amassed a small collection of data points and sent them to the campaign. They may not get the senate seat, but...
We can mark this day on our calendar as the LAST fraudulent election of our lifetimes if we play our cards right. Go over and have a look at what we have done, starting at about #42. There is no question this is fraud with hard data to back that assertion.
Hey troll - GET LOST!
It just stinks to high heaven and makes me sick. What can we do about it - try to convince the Angle camp to officially rescind the concession until the discrepancies are cleared up?
Do what we did. Compile data, email Angle, twitter, phone, anything. Just because she doesnt win doesnt mean we cant make this a blow to Democrats everywhere.
I appreciate your reasoned response.
Sadly, it is a clear known fact that “B1 Bob” lost his race to election fraud.
An investigation WAS made, the fraud was clearly proven.
But the republican “leadership” was too afraid of “offending the hispanic vote” to demand that Sanchez not be seated.
Yes, fraud has to be prevented by all practical means.
Unfounded or unprovable knee-jerk allegations of fraud also need to be avoided by all parties.
Too many claims of fraud will work against us as more people decide their vote will not count, so just stay home.
Each legitimate vote not cast further empowers the fraudsters.
Did you see post #89?
Post to Rush, Drudge, etc...
Can’t say what I would like to, don’t want to get banned.
Troll, that’s RICH!
OK - on this other Angle camp thread two things - they don’t think she’s actually conceded yet - I must confess, I just saw her on TV for a bit and trusted others here that she had conceded. So if she hasn’t conceded yet, that helps our cause immensely, imho, the cause in the court of public opinion. Even when Gore conceded, and then unconceded, it kind of made him out to be sour grapes...that was set in many people’s minds.
But if a clear and convincing argument can be made that these results not only don’t make any sense whatsoever, but that a good deal, or even massive fraud may be afoot - then we need to press on every front to work this story.
As others are saying, this may be the race that will bring this cause to the front burner in front of the nation.
Been watching the poll comparisons since it was started on the thread, plain as day to see....To me anyway.
“It is wrong, deeply wrong, legally, morally, ethically, and in all other ways, to allow these serial felons, these domestic enemies of the constitution, to ponce about in public pretending that they are honorable.”
Totally agree. Angle should be ladylike, not call outright names or make accusations she can’t back up ... but it is NOT honorable to allow voter fraud to continue. And this election stinks. We need to poke the midden with a nice sharp stick and see what’s in down in it.
Total votes in House races :
Rep - 356,909
Dem - 316,877
Reid - 361,655
Angle - 320,996
So, Reid votes minus total Dem votes in House races =
Angle votes minus total Rep votes in House races =
Reid ends up getting 44,778 more votes than all the Dem candidates for the House got, and yet Angle loses 35,913 votes from those that voted Rep in the House race. I find it hard to believe that many people that voted Rep in the House race voted for Reid in the Senate race
The total votes for the other parties in the House races is 27,495. Even if Reid got all of those votes, it will still put him short of the 44,778 "extra" votes than those that voted Dem in the House races.
And by who's terms, MS-NBC's? Remember Loyal, we are not living in 1985 anymore when Sam Donaldson was the final word in politics. American people have plenty of other ways and sources to get information.
The media can't tell you that Reid won and there was no fraud and leave it at that. The Tea Partiers are changing all of that. If the MSM call Angle a "racist" or "mean-spirited" there will be at least 10 times that many alternative sources challenging that accusation --- sources that didn't even exist 10 or 15 years ago. The msm is frightened of this and they love it when Republican politicians cower and fear the same old partisan Democrat windbags threatening to smear their reputations if they don't play politics the Democrat way.
I say if we see or suspect voter fraud, investigate it, report it, parade it before the American electorate and snuff it out before it spreads like a virus throughout the rest of the nation -- because it will if we just turn our backs and worry about what names the msm will call us if we decide to start looking under a few rocks.
Look at how "buckhead" right here on Free Republic started a national avalanche of accusation and suspicion that netted none other than Dan Rather and his eager accomplice Mary Mapes in a major fraud investigation---fabricating phony documents to hurt Bush during the '04 election. Mapes to this day, still can't believe it. That watershed incident alone should prove to you the power we, the average voters, now have over the media elite.
Dingy’s other son counts the votes in the major county which shows a criminal result. These Reid’s need to be run out of town on a rail.
I hate hearing that.
TODAYS VOTE FRAUD
brought to you by the D.O.J., led by Eric Holder
for the DNC, unions, and the undocumented Obama
with the unmitigated help of the MSM.
"Voter Fraud Alleged In Crow Wing County (MN)
he saw what appeared to be staff members of a mental health facility
fill out a client's ballot and tell another client who to vote for during absentee balloting."
"Minnesota GOP Reports 'Unacceptable' Problems With Counting Machines
.... multiple complaints about failing tabulation machines at polling places around the state.
.... complaints about machines in Duluth, Olmsted County, Lakeville,
Faribault, Mendota Heights and Eagan."
"George Soros And The Margin Of Theft
: Tuesday's results overcame many instances of orchestrated vote fraud, but not all.
Now the court cases begin, aided and abetted by the
Secretary of State Project funded by a Hungarian billionaire.
There will be recounts and court cases, and that is
where a state office the secretary of state comes into play."
"Union Accused of Voter Fraud Involving Mentally Handicapped
Authorities in Crow Wing County are investigating possible voter fraud
involving people with mental disabilities . a large group of mentally handicapped
people were told whom to vote for by mental health staff members and that staff filled
out the ballots themselves without the disabled voters close by."
" (Rochester) Offering Voters "Rides to Polls" (Coalition of Black Trade Unionists)
They told people to call the Rochester, NY office of the
COALITION OF BLACK TRADE UNIONISTS for these free rides,
and also said that the information is up on their website."
"National Organization Warns of Illegal Immigrant Voters
On October 28, WSBTV and the Atlanta Journal Constitution reported
that their recent comparison of jury duty records and voter registrations
found hundreds of non-citizens registered to vote and hundreds actually voting!"
"Vote Fraud Woes Already Mar Mid-Term Elections
some Nevadans who have tried voting early for Republican
Senate nominee Sharron Angle instead have seen
Democrat Harry Reids name appear on their electronic voting machines.
Daytona Beach City Commissioner Derrick Henry and Genesis Robinson,
his campaign manager, face voter-fraud charges. In an apparent re-election tactic,
they allegedly completed 92 absentee-ballot applications with the names
of Floridians who never requested them or who had moved away.
Bucks County, Pennsylvania officials are investigating 500 apparently
fraudulent absentee-ballot applications. Also, the Pennsylvania Voter Assistance
Office sent citizens letters encouraging them to apply for absentee ballots.
No such office exists."
"New Black Panther Seen At Polling Place [same polling place as 2008]
PHILADELPHIA - Fox 29 News spotted Tuesday a member of the New Black Panther Party
standing outside of a local polling place where voter intimidation was reported two years ago."
Diane Sawyer: A few busloads of people can change a Congressional election
George Stephanopoulos runs through the generic ballot numbers in the final WaPo/ABC poll
and sees a nine-point flip from registered to likely voters, for a final 4-point Republican lead.
Diane Sawyer then suggests how easily that, er, some folks could change the elections:
A few busloads of people can change a Congressional elections."
"Tsongas told to move away from Tenney polling station
Clerk Christine Touma-Conway said Tsongas, who is running
for reelection against Republican Jon Golnik, went to the
Tenney School to greet voters. While she was there, she was shaking hands
and greeting voters inside the 150-buffer zone that is set by law to keep
campaigners and candidates away from the immediate vicinity
around polling places, Touma-Conway said. Also this morning, Tsongas went to the Timony School to donate baked goods.... "
"Nevada Union Illegally Coordinating with Reid Campaign for Votes
Crum reveals emails between Reids office and the union folks
telling them to force their members to get to the polls, setting up bus trips
for that purpose, and even sending a spread sheet file identifying workers who
had and had not voted and for whom they voted. This is all clearly illegal."
"Angle Lawyer Requests DOJ Investigation of Reid Campaign, Harrahs
National Review Online ^ | 11/2/2010 | Katrina Trinko
The posting details and documents an orchestrated effort by
Harrahs to intimidate and coerce Harrahs employees to vote for
Harry Reid for the United States Senate, to track whether or not employees
had or had not voted and to pressure supervisors to ensure that
the employees reporting to those supervisors were voting."
"Former F.E.C. official on Reid strong-arming: Ive never seen anything so blatant
There are two issues. The first is illegal coordination.
The Reid campaign is specifically asking a corporation with the help of a union to get voters"
I don’t understand how the disparity in numbers happened and why no one is pursuing it. Makes no sense what so ever.
I would be so happy if she puts the squeeze on Reid’s voter fraud. Reublicans need to fight back and never do. The GoP needs to stand by her if she goes after Harry’s machine and not do the usual roll over and die routine.
So now if you talk about facts you’re a rino? Don’t be ridiculous. I live right across the river from Nevada I am in tune with their politics. Angle was the only primary candidate that could have ended in this result. Deal with it. It turned out the candidate was the message.
I would call Harry Reid, ‘a useless pile of dung’, but that would have been an insult to useless piles of dung.
Angle is finished, she’s got the big “L” on her forehead.
Only way Harry will leave the senate is feet first...as McRino...the way of Murtha...
Selective facts. Keep pretending there were no reports of widespread fraud. We lost because a conservative won the nomination.
So the vote fraud doesn’t bother you?
To find out just exactly how the dems cheated this time, and perhaps to convict a few felons in the process. And, to justify future legislation that will further reduce the ability of the left, or anybody to steal an election through fraud. And, to taint Dingy Harry's name.
And, of course, to win.
These shenanigans have been going on in many elections for many years, and the republicans have done nothing. As a result, we have folks like Al Frankin in the Senate, and many other democrats in office that shouldn't be in office. It's time to shed some light on this, and get the problem straightened out, even if it doesn't produce a win for a Republican.
Even if it doesn't produce an *immediate* win. It's called "clearing the field." It needs to be done now and again to get the rocks and weeds and other nasty stuff out of the way so the good stuff can grow. It is a pain in the @ss but must be done by the responsible party.
I’m not sure how one equates vote fraud with “disappointment”.
If there was vote fraud, then the aggrieved party needs to fight. Else, there is no rule of law.
There is only the rule of “what I can get away with”.
Exactly - the reason they keep doing this is because we keep letting them do this. It’s time to stand up to them.