Skip to comments.Hard Data Supporting Fraudulent Activity in Nevada Election - ACTION NEEDED
Posted on 11/03/2010 2:03:15 AM PDT by Lexinom
I put some effort into compiling this data and hope it may help prove, with hard data, that the Nevada "election" was not a one-legal-citizen, one-vote affair. I believe the Angle campaign has a case based on a comparison of the accuracy of polling of other races with that of their own, where the result was well outside the MOE of an aggregate of polls. Off one pull fine. Off seven by a wide margin, not kosher.
The first data points (EXHIBIT A) are from a sampling of races and the poll aggregates leading up to election day.
The second set of data points (EXHIBIT B) represent the polling for the Nevada race and shows a great deviation not only outside of the consistently polled trends but well beyond the margin of error of multiple, agreeing polls. I think the Angle campaign may have a case, and it's critical, if nothing else, that they use this golden opportunity before them to begin cleaning up the corruption that hampers the democratic process and disenfranchises thousands of legal citizens. PLEASE... Move forward with this!
EXHIBIT A - ACCURATE POLLING IN RACES FROM 2 NOVEMBER 2010(*)
Toomey/Sestak RCP Average 10/24 - 10/31 -- 49.5 45.0 Toomey +4.5 PPP (D) 10/30 - 10/31 772 LV 51 46 Toomey +5 Morning Call Tracking 10/28 - 10/31 474 LV 48 44 Toomey +4 Quinnipiac 10/25 - 10/30 1244 LV 50 45 Toomey +5 Rasmussen Reports 10/28 - 10/28 750 LV 50 46 Toomey +4 McClatchy/Marist 10/26 - 10/28 461 LV 52 45 Toomey +7 Susquehanna 10/24 - 10/27 800 LV 46 44 Toomey +2Toomey won by 2%.
Boxer/Fiorina race RCP Average 10/26 - 10/31 -- 48.3 43.3 Boxer +5.0 PPP (D) 10/29 - 10/31 882 LV 50 46 Boxer +4 SurveyUSA 10/26 - 10/31 587 LV 46 38 Boxer +8 Rasmussen Reports 10/27 - 10/27 750 LV 49 46 Boxer +3"The AP called the race as Boxer took a lead of 48 percent to 46 percent, with 15 percent of precincts reporting."
Rubio/Crist/Meek RCP Average 10/25 - 10/31 -- 47.0 30.0 19.2 Rubio +17.0 PPP (D) 10/30 - 10/31 773 LV 47 30 21 Rubio +17 Sunshine State News/VSS 10/29 - 10/31 1527 LV 48 31 20 Rubio +17 Quinnipiac 10/25 - 10/31 925 LV 45 31 18 Rubio +14 Rasmussen Reports 10/27 - 10/27 750 LV 50 30 16 Rubio +20 Mason-Dixon 10/25 - 10/27 625 LV 45 28 21 Rubio +17Rubio won by 19%.
Marco Rubio REP 2,604,892 (49.00%) Kendrick B. Meek DEM 1,070,242 (20.13%)
Kirk/Giannoulias RCP Average 10/18 - 10/31 -- 44.8 41.5 Kirk +3.3 PPP (D) 10/30 - 10/31 814 LV 46 42 Kirk +4 FOX News/POR-Rasmussen 10/30 - 10/30 1000 LV 46 42 Kirk +4 Chicago Tribune 10/18 - 10/22 700 LV 44 41 Kirk +3 Post-Dispatch/Mason-Dixon 10/18 - 10/20 625 LV 43 41 Kirk +2Kirk won by 2%.
Kirk (R) 1,749,941 48.4% Giannoulias (D) 1,667,527 46.1%( source)
Blumenthal/ McMahonRCP Average 10/24 - 10/31 53.0 44.3 Blumenthal +8.7 Rasmussen Reports 10/31 - 10/31 750 LV 53 46 Blumenthal +7 Quinnipiac 10/25 - 10/31 930 LV 53 44 Blumenthal +9 PPP (D) 10/27 - 10/29 759 LV 54 43 Blumenthal +11 CT Capitol Report/MRG 10/24 - 10/26 1846 LV 52 44 Blumenthal +8Blumenthal by 8%
Johnson/Feingold RCP Average 10/25 - 10/28 52.7 45.0 Johnson +7.7 McClatchy/Marist 10/26 - 10/28 491 LV 52 45 Johnson +7 PPP (D) 10/26 - 10/28 1372 LV 53 44 Johnson +9 Rasmussen Reports 10/25 - 10/25 750 LV 53 46 Johnson +7Johnson by 5%
Coons/ODonnell RCP Average 10/14 - 10/27 53.0 39.0 Coons +14.0 Monmouth University 10/25 - 10/27 1171 LV 51 41 Coons +10 Fairleigh Dickinson 10/20 - 10/26 797 LV 57 36 Coons +21 Rasmussen Reports 10/14 - 10/14 500 LV 51 40 Coons +11Coons by 16%
Burr/Marshall RCP Average 10/12 - 10/31 50.3 37.5 Burr +12.8 PPP (D) 10/29 - 10/31 847 LV 52 40 Burr +12 SurveyUSA 10/22 - 10/25 590 LV 53 38 Burr +15 Civitas (R) 10/18 - 10/20 600 LV 44 34 Burr +10 Rasmussen Reports 10/12 - 10/12 500 LV 52 38 Burr +14Burr by 12%
These demonstrate the veracity of the polling mechanisms. All margin of victories closely matched the leadup polling.
EXHIBIT B: POLLING AND RESULT OF NEVADA SENATE RACE, 2 NOVEMBER 2010(*)
RCP Average 10/25 - 10/31 48.0 45.3 Angle +2.7 --------------------------------------------------------------- PPP (D) 10/30 - 10/31 682 LV 47 46 Angle +1 FOX News/POR-Rasmussen 10/30 - 10/30 1000 LV 48 45 Angle +3 LVRJ/Mason-Dixon 10/25 - 10/27 625 LV 49 45 Angle +4 Rasmussen Reports 10/25 - 10/25 750 LV 49 45 Angle +4 CNN/Time 10/20 - 10/26 773 LV 49 45 Angle +4 Rasmussen Reports 10/17 - 10/17 750 LV 50 47 Angle +3 LVRJ/Mason-Dixon 10/11 - 10/12 625 LV 48 46 Angle +2 Rasmussen Reports 10/11 - 10/11 750 LV 49 48 Angle +1<
Result: Angle -5 ( source )
Counted Ballots 11/2 45 50 Angle -5
7 polls by professional and reputable pollsters are off by an average of 7.7% And we are to lend credibility to this result? Not one poll, not two. SEVEN, each with a typically small MOE.
It's in Sharron's hands at this moment, but from what I've seen in the past - Rossi/Gregoire (2004) was enough. I say Franken/Coleman (2008) - was enough to convince me of enough.
It's time for accountability and action.
*All polls in this and previous posts by lexinom and Black_Shark are from Real Clear Politics. All credit is to be given to them and their team for compiling this data. We are just copying it here for evidence.
I was thinking the same thing.
Now now, the Reids are good Mormons dontchaknow. They would never cheat at anything, right???
There may be something in the Harrah's email flap, but outside of a rat confessing to voter fraud there's not much that can be done.
Someone should investigate this obvious voter fraud and put those democrats/marxists in prison for voter fraud.
Cashell is an old windbag.
Angle Camp: Not so fast
The media including Fox are ignoing Harry’s fraud. No way his kid loses by 12 and he wins. Total BS. Total fraud in all the west coast states too.
As I have said, one of the first things the new Republican House should do is investigate this election. We simply cannot tolerate cheating and fraud. If we do, what’s the point of having elections?
Statistics are nice but not, imo, probable cause. There were similar issues in ‘94 when the R’s took the House, the D’s whined that polling did not match vote tallies. I don’t recall any R agreeing with them back then.
I’ll be convinced when the cops bust a secret ballot-marking “factory” or get a confession from a participant in fraud.
I am sick and tired of people complaining about fraud, and not doing anything. If you want a clean election next time, you have to do something now, and keep the issue fresh.
Polls are not hard data, they are samples that are subject to easy manipulation.
My book, HARRY: Money Mob & Influence could have made a big difference, but was shut out by the local media. Nevada is just plain corrupt.
Polling data? I wouldn’t trust polls as far as I can throw a pollster.
Yep. When that's an option, many voters find themselves looking at the ballot, think, "eh, to heck with both of those clowns", and vote NOTA.
Call this number and ask GOP attorneys...they are on stand by to answer questions and give advise on voter fraud. 1-888-404-2863 or this one 1-888-775-8117
"Margin of Error" in a poll, corresponds to the uncertainty in a statistical result, assuming that the sample population is representative of the whole population. It's mainly a function of the sample size.
(The actual explanation of MOE is more detailed than that, but that's the general idea.)
If the sample population is not representative, then MOE is not useful as a measure of accuracy.
Here's the question, then: what methods were used to sample the voters in Nevada's polls? What sort of process bias could explain the consistency of the wrong results?
What you're really seeing, is probably a failure of methods used for telephone-based samples (all polling organizations use essentially the same techniques).
Is there a law in NV that limits calls to land-lines or cell phones? Is there a class of voters who are unlikely to answer their phones (e.g., casino workers?).
It's probably not evidence of fraud, though.
The rats appear to have stolen an election which was not close enough to steal. The only question is what are we going to do about it.
Right you are! The time to do more then bitch is upon us. Our electoral process must be made error and fraud free. It’s going to be hard to do nationally with AG Holder but I hope it can be addressed locally. Our local system of ID verification, even neighbor to neighbor, appears to be fraud free in terms of voter eligibility but don’t know how the paper ballots/machine counting is protected.
By my count there were 40k+ more total votes for the Senate race than there were for the governor’s race or any of the other state offices. What would account for this?
Gov - 716,528
AG - 704,331
SoS - 703,512
Lt Gov - 703,494
Treas - 700,915
Cont - 697,618
Senate - 719,830
Margin - 40,659
Why can’t the lawyers for the Republican party file suit to have these machines impounded???
I agree that Reid stole this election illegally. Just asking a Corporation (Casino) to insist it’s employees appear at polls and vote for Reid is illegal. There needs to be a Republican lawsuit file to investigate Reid, SEIU and the Voting Machines.....it should not be allowed to stand!
Another member has brought out the excellent point that there is a 17,000 vote disparity between the total # of votes for Papa Reid and Junior Reid. Sorry, 17,000?
I'm sorry, this stinks to high heaven and combine it with the sudden $1M cash infusion the day before - too late to buy advertising.
If Harry REID’S son is involved in the Voting Machines, as well as SEIU, then those voting machines need to be collected, examined as a criminal act. It was a conflict of interest for the son to be involved, period.
FRAUD is a crime, and if there is one conservative sheriff or Police Chief in that district, and one vote can be proven fraudalent, then can’t those voting machines be taken as evidence for examination by forensics? Where does Nevada Election Laws stand on this, and on the criminal justice aspect of voter fraud. What would it take to get a criminal case going, if there is fraud?
Of course now they are being sued for finding the fraud—by George Soros funded groups. Gee whiz, who'd ah thunk old George would be interested in this? That man is worse than my closet man nightmares as a child and believe me closet man was scary as all get out. I'm in my fifties and still won't go to sleep with a closet door open! :)
The unfounded lawsuits aren't going to work, but will tie up their time, cost money and attempt to discredit the group. They can pass on to others how to start the search(I think they started with homes that had a high number of registered voters), and what they have learned by trial and error. If FR had a group working on voter rolls in the most questionable districts you know we could make a dent in the fraud. We can't wait for government to do it because it never gets done.
Here's their website http://www.truethevote.org/
fill out the form and see what happens.
I don’t know the answers to that but those are important questions, and why I posted this thread. Any NV Freepers know, or know where to find out?
NEVADA ELECTION LAWS
Just click on blue numbers at left for more information by category.
If they can find some voter FRAUD, it could be a criminal case of Voter Fraud depending on Nevada law, and then the voting machines could be seized as evidence and examined. Were the machines rigged before the vote? Are there any conservatives in law enforcement in that district?
Here is a link to NEVADA ELECTION LAW FELONIES...
Any citizen who can find an election crime would be wise to speak to the law enforcement leaders to bring an arrest, and seize the equipement as evidence. I’m not from Nevada.
Here is link to Nevada Election Law felonies:
There should be an investigation, and if there is ANY VOTER FRAUD, that can be proven, such as illegal voter, voting twice or voting not under proper name, it may force law enforcement to act. A petition to investigate could help, if any evidence arises.
Can anything be done after a candidate concedes?
Typically with the ‘Rats, it seems that when they steal a race, they REALLY steal a race.
Why? To avoid recounts and closer looks which could expose their shenanigans.
We have, from your digging:
NRS 293.750 Removal or destruction of election supplies or equipment.
NRS 293.755 Tampering or interfering with certain election equipment or computer programs used to count ballots; report of violation to district attorney.
NRS 293.760 Alteration, defacement or removal of posted results of votes cast.
NRS 293.770 Refusal of person sworn by election board to answer questions.
NRS 293.780 Voting more than once at same election.
NRS 293.790 Offer to vote by person whose vote has been rejected.
NRS 293.800 Acts concerning registration of voters; violations of laws governing elections; crimes by public officers.
NRS 293.805 Compensation for registration of voters based upon number of voters or voters of a particular party registered.
Anyone following this race based on polling data from MULTIPLE polls from MULTIPLE firms expected Angle to win this.
Angle did win this in an objective sense of legal citizen votes.
If I lived in Las Vegas I'd be all over doing an investigation on the ground instead of typing messages on FR. I'd be in contact with the Angle campaign's attorneys and would come up with a way to offer a reward to anyone with hard evidence of fraud.
I'm still going to to blame the sampling methods, as opposed to calling out "fraud."
At root, the methodologies aren't that different, really: to collect most (not all) of the data, the polling organizations have all still got to call folks on the phone.
So the question is: is there, in Nevada, some systemic factor that affects who you can call, and who is likely to answer, that was not accounted-for in the polls? For example, is there a "no-call list" law that favors land-lines over cell phones, or vice versa? Is there a particular demographic of voters that somehow are less likely to be reached by telephone?
I'm willing to bet that the answer to the poll discrepancy lies in that sort of phenomenon, rather than fraud.
An interesting and highly relevant example is the famous Literary Digest poll of 1936, that predicted Landon would defeat Roosevelt in a landslide.
The sampling methodology was very carefully constructed, but the problem was that the sample population was selected mainly from automobile registration and phone books. The surveys were mailed out, and results were drawn from those who returned their surveys, and the response rate was low. The combination of these three, led to a disastrously wrong prediction.
Pollsters have been trying to deal with similar problems in recent years. Lots of people refuse to participate, and many hang up when they recognize that tell-tale pause between answering and the time when the pollster hits the line.
I’m not saying that nothing dastardly took place. I am saying that poll numbers do not under any circumstances constitute hard facts.
My theory: Fraud was indeed committed on a large scale in a few high profile, hand-picked races. For political reasons, those who were most harshly attacked and ridiculed could not be allowed to win. Hence the $1 million cash infusion to Reid race on Monday - too late to buy advertising time. What was that money for, then, and where did it go?
No, but we need to use the language. The Left has been doing this for years. Ayn Rand said something to the effect that whoever controls the language controls the culture. It is true something is not “hard” if there’s a 0.000001% chance it may be wrong, but for all intents and purposes, it is hard, if that makes any sense. We cannot afford to continue being wimps.
It kills me how Reno folks could vote Republican across the board for all other offices, but they didn’t for US Senator.
I believe that Lexinom is correct and while Polls would not hold in a court of Law they certaintly would get people thinking. If multiple polls were this far off in NV and not other states then that implies something isnt right. In the latest poll by Mason-Dixon, they predicted that Heck would win the right to represent Nevada in the House. Heck won. The other recent polls from Nevada were accurate, why not this one?
I found this comment informative:
Another seat we could have won with any other Republican.
any other Republican would probably have lost by an even larger margin.
Dingy Harry lost in 15 of 17 counties.
He ALWAYS wins in the same two counties, Clark and Washoe, the only two (liberal dominated) counties he really makes any effort to help.
He has enabled Clark County to grow beyond its rational limits.
He has contrived to steal water from rural Nevada counties for the sole benefit of Clark County.
He has sold Nevadas public land to developers so that Clark County continues to grow, enlarging his true base and enriching himself in the process.
He has steered grants and funding to Washoe County (Reno) while doing virtually NOTHING for the rural counties.
By virtue of these shenanigans he virtually owns the vote in Clark and Washoe.
Combined with the MSM bias and republican support this race shows he is in for life, probably less than another full term.
61 posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2010 3:14:29 AM by Loyal Sedition
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Perhaps the good people of Reno felt that Sharron Angle was not for them.
Sure, you could blame Reno for that .... but maybe Ms. Angle is also part of the explanation.
There were a LOT of voters disenfranchised. The ones I’m most irate about are out troops, who were denied a right to vote by states like my own, NY, which didn’t send them their ballots at all. This is NOT the way our country was meant to be and it is something that has to be addressed from every angle. AND we have to make sure that people who are voting are actually citizens and have the right to vote.
“The rats started busing illegals into vote at secret polling places since the beginning of early voting. Most were bussed from the casinos and hotels where they work. Pubs should have been watching for this but they didnt even notice it for four days, and then all they did was file a complaint with the SOS. Then their were the machines switching votes to Reid. They should have gone to court to have those machines seized immediately. They did nothing.”
How in the world can these things go on under all of our collective noses? Even if Reid is finally declared the winner, we need to set examples of this fraud up on pedastals for the all to see...just to see how desperate for power these socialist monger moralizers are.
Here are the propagandists:
“No substantial complaints of Election Day irregularities were reported to the secretary of state’s office, although a complaint about last week’s early get out the vote efforts by Las Vegas casino companies backing Reid was filed with the U.S. Department of Justice.”
Didn’t LVRJ endorse Angle? Wow, I will hold my breath waiting on Holder to dig into that complaint against Harrah’s...
More from the LVRJ article:
“The key to Reid’s victory Tuesday, however, goes beyond his get-out-the-vote effort this year and dates back to 2002 when he began to rebuild the state Democratic Party from the ground.
His effort culminated in 2008 when the Democrats registered thousands of new voters, giving them a 100,000 registered voter edge over Republicans and helping Obama win the state, thanks mostly to first time voters, Hispanics, blacks and other minority voters that Reid won again this time.
The Democrats still have 60,000 more registered voters than Republicans now and Hispanics organizers registered 10,000 more Latinos in 2010, making them an electoral force.”
I’m sure all those 10,000 additional voters were totally up and up! Voter registration, validation, proof of ID etc., motor voter laws, instant registration laws without proof of ID, are COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL IN MANY states.
Fair elections - dealing with this election FRAUD must be a key focus of the Tea Parties into the future.
Our fight for the soul of this nation has only just begun..
They do this at every election. The pubs do nothing.
Let me know what I can do, but i’m east coast. Do you have a local conservative radio show that can ask voters to call in, if they hear or know about any election violations.
Find out who was at the polls for the Republican side monitering what was going on, and see if they saw anything.
Maybe an ad in local news to ask voters if they saw or know of any irregularities in election.
Check names against death certificates in that county for registered voters, to see if any dead people voted.
Best Wishes, and I am praying for something to be brought out into the open.
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