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Fed to Spend $600 Billion More To Help Boost US Economy (How low will the dollar go)
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Posted on 11/03/2010 1:10:06 PM PDT by Hojczyk

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To: Hojczyk

This will help. /


51 posted on 11/03/2010 4:25:34 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Captain Peter Blood
The QE2


52 posted on 11/03/2010 4:27:49 PM PDT by archivist007
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To: Hojczyk
This whole thing is a house of cards. The real reason the Fed is doing this is there are not enough buyers out there for the new debt needed just to pay the interest on the existing US national debt.

The inflation genie is purposely being let out of the bottle. This is all part of the Marxist wealth redistribution plan. Destroy the savings of those that have lived within their means and turn them into serfs.

FUBO

53 posted on 11/03/2010 4:30:08 PM PDT by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: GeronL

Maybe we’ll meet there someday;)


54 posted on 11/03/2010 4:30:33 PM PDT by mdittmar (i)
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To: archivist007
The Fed's first $1.75 trillion bond-buying program, which ran from Dec. 2008 to March 2010, is credited with helping the economy when the U.S. was hit by a financial crisis and a deep recession. The latest move is more controversial because the economy is now growing -- albeit slowly -- and financial markets are no longer under severe stress.

LINK to ARTICLE

55 posted on 11/03/2010 4:31:47 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: jroneil
I you own your house out right it will take the city or town probably 2 years to take it. ?????
56 posted on 11/03/2010 4:35:51 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: mdittmar
From the link in post #55. Am I reading this correctly do I need new reading glasses?

The Fed said it expects to buy between $850 billion to $900 billion Treasurys through the end of the second quarter of 2011. That's because in addition to the $600 billion, the Fed expects to buy about $35 billion a month to replace mortgage bonds in its portfolio that are being retired, a decision that was taken back in August.

57 posted on 11/03/2010 4:36:55 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Hojczyk
Just my humble opinion:

Had the pubbies not made a killing yesterday, this never would have happened. It is based on making our dollar worthless, while the pubbies control the purse strings, to get us on a global currency. Super-duper inflation just around the corner!

Prepare!

58 posted on 11/03/2010 4:40:27 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: glorgau
Fed to create $600 billion from thin air!

Yes, that's how the system works.

Where they are being foolish is using this new money to buy federal debt. That's not the smartest way to use the money; that debt will have to be serviced by the government forever, and it creates a net drag on the economy.

While there are competing ideas as to the most effective use of such new, fiat Fed issue, I think that using it for straight up consumption is probably the most effective way to use it although the hardest to defend in our current system.

I personally think that the government might as well simply have the Treasury create the issue ("Greenbacks", not Federal Reserve notes) and use that new money to directly meet expenses. The advantage is that that money goes straight into the economy instead of building yet a higher mountain of debt for our children to pay for.

The downside of such "hot" issue, though, is that it is extraordinarily inflationary. It is the very definition of "running the printing presses".

If we were to do it to the extent of $600 billion of new issue with no corresponding debt against that issue, it would be a very dangerous act since the multiplier on that is probably close to 7 giving (again, very, very roughly) a $4 trillion kick to a $14 trillion economy which would result in perhaps 20% inflation. Or maybe a lot more, or (conceivably) a lot less. It depends on how sluggish the economy stayed with such a powerful infusion of hot money.

59 posted on 11/03/2010 4:46:58 PM PDT by snowsislander (In this election year, please ask your candidates if they support repeal of the 1968 GCA.)
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To: Bushbacker1

If they sent each human being living in America 350K
we could all be happy in hyperinflation.

The pubs said no more spending and this happened today.
What vote did they have to stop it? Holy crap this is getting crazy. As Obama lights his huge bong before he goes to muslim worship overseas in the Taj Mahal and what is Hillary doing other than giving Bill an excuse to have Monica over?

Pelosi is walking through her vineyard in luxury laughing her ass off in her new commie state. Oh and don’t worry Obama has our back on those mail bombs.

Nuts!


60 posted on 11/03/2010 4:49:33 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: mdittmar

Buy a nice homestead out in the country with some areas of land and get it survialist ready.


61 posted on 11/03/2010 4:58:51 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
“The financial pressure put on an already battered public straining to just make ends meet could create a bigger explosion than the government not being able to keep it's departments operating for lack of ability to borrow more funds.”

Very interesting take, however based on other examples around the world, demonstrations and violence typically start when the government unions have their gravy train interrupted. Seldom have the producers started these activities. I think this is the bet Obama is making, specifically that he can sacrifice the private sector for the next two years while continuing to artificially support government entities. Case in point - WSJ today reported GM was getting a $40,000,000,000+ tax break. The UAW is essentially now a government supported union. I have seen riots in Detroit and I will guess I will see them again. His lifting the cap for bailing out the GSEs (Fannie & Freddie) also support this notion.

Find a safe place my friend.

62 posted on 11/03/2010 5:13:23 PM PDT by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: Gabrial
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63 posted on 11/03/2010 5:28:56 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Gabrial

Okay - Let me preface this - I’m no financial guru, whatsoever.

What does one do if they have cash sitting in the bank? What should one invest in right now, if anything? Real estate, gems...???

Please don’t slam me. I’m a lay(wo)man.

I must say....you Freepers have educated me more than any college could! Thank you!


64 posted on 11/03/2010 5:30:04 PM PDT by txmissy
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To: VRW Conspirator

And that’s exactly the reason why he’s doing it. Time to pile the blame for anything and everything on the GOP so the Rats can jump back on the ship in 2012. It’s all a pre-calculated move.


65 posted on 11/03/2010 5:34:08 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: Hojczyk

If they want boost our real economy they should loan this qe2 capital to US businesses at 0% instead of to our financial supermaket banks - who unload their crappy derivatives on to the fed and take the fresh capital and send it off to the hot money markets in thailand, china , singapore et. Further sinking our dollar as speculators sell those dollars and buy foreign currency and assets.


66 posted on 11/03/2010 5:41:13 PM PDT by jd777
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To: Gabrial
Fed to Spend $600 Billion More To Help Boost US Economy

Speaks volumes for that sham of a Stimulus bill...
67 posted on 11/03/2010 5:43:08 PM PDT by Son House (The TEA Party is Going to Be Like a GI Party...Clean House!)
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To: ducttape45

Yes but when we crash and the dollar is worth nothing,nada, zip and Obama fires up his speech in a teleprompter to say he saved us with a global currency and you can pick up your ID card at blah blah blah govt owned bank. Then what? (I know... Iknow... it sounds like a series of books I read,
it is nuts) but every other day I see an article on Drudge China... Russia.. blah blah wants world order/currency) the world is sitting by hammering for this waiting on us)

I thought last night meant something. I voted to stop this garbage. Leaving politics out of it; will the new speaker stop what has already happened (been announced) today?


68 posted on 11/03/2010 5:45:38 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Hojczyk

Folks, I’ve said this before, and I’ll attempt to explain it again:

1. Inflation is ALREADY HERE, is HERE, and it’s rampant.
eg. the price of a 10 cent candy bar is instead .75 and upward. The price of a .37 gal of gas is instead 2.85 and upward. The price of a new 3000.00 car, move the decimal pt. is instead 30,000.00. The price of a college textbook at 10.00 is instead 50.00 and upward. The price of the above mentioned new car, is what the price of a new house was in the 1960s. And food, canned salmon over 2.00 and how about a can of cat food, just several years ago at .37 now over .50. Remember a trip to the dentist for just a check up and cleaning at 15.00 (I do), last visit just for for a cleaning and check-up 79.00.

2. This 600 billion (think about the de-sentization) that’s SIX HUNDRED B I L L I O N, and what is it?....

3. It’s a PAYOFF to the govt. pension funds of squandered retirements lost in the MBS (and the other junk acronyms) so called “securities” based on NON-PERFORMING fake loans”.
F A K E LOANS BECAUSE THERE IS NO COLLATERAL.

4. This payoff goes back to govt. pensions. It’s another bailout circumventing the Legislative Branch, and of course would never make it through the House Of The People now.

5. These payoffs mean the game of using public govt. retirements by investment so called “banks” (which quickly become “holding companies” remember with no consequences to themselves), goes on... and artificially props up what should have been a free market.

6. This money instead should never be in the hands, ever, of these “HOLDING” companies, (those that attempt to call themselves “banks”)to invest as they may. These funds should be in safe public escrow accounts..NEVER in the hands of ANY private entity.

7. As long as the above paradigm continues will leave an entire group free of any accountability. And will also constantly kick back losses to real U.S. citizens.

8. This time the bailout is less about rising prices ABOVE THE INFLATION ALREADY RAMPANT (#1 above), but about unemployment. Price pressure is equalized by mass layoffs and unemployment. (Notice how there was never any real sustained employment programs implemented by Congress?..and they don’t have a plan now) They are out to save themselves, which is why college grads struggle (and have been bought off from revolt up to age 26), and jobs are scarce. Employment is off-shored, away from govt. regulations, price pressure groups, and liabilities.


69 posted on 11/03/2010 5:46:46 PM PDT by Varsity Flight
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Time to SCREW SOROS and the FED! What will we do? What can we do. KEEL HAUL him/them? He and the FED deserve nothing less!


70 posted on 11/03/2010 5:46:54 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: FReepaholic
The federal reserve is so out of date. they have divided the country into 12 districts. There are 2 districts within the state of Missouri (st Louis and Kanses City) and only 1 west of the rockies (san fran) It was conceived of by people who were 80 in 1913
71 posted on 11/03/2010 5:50:25 PM PDT by jd777
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To: WellyP

SOROS is the ultimate INSIDE TRADER! He’s making BILLIONS on this!


72 posted on 11/03/2010 5:50:30 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: snowsislander

‘which would result in perhaps 20% inflation’

Bill Gross, is that you?


73 posted on 11/03/2010 5:52:46 PM PDT by griswold3 (Nov 2 is not just an election, it's a restraining order)
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To: Varsity Flight

Very well explained thank you. So when does hyperinflation hit or has it? Soon to be $9 gas?

Desensitized is a good choice of words.

I voted last night to stop this garbage and this news hits.
I am angry.


74 posted on 11/03/2010 5:53:42 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Hojczyk
I have invested in ammo, guns, motorcycles, (great mpg), food, etc. I refuse to invest in gold because of what I saw after the Jimmy Carter years, (huge drop in gold prices).

I'm looking for real estate!

75 posted on 11/03/2010 6:05:41 PM PDT by MrPiper
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To: txmissy
I have no credentials to give investment advice. That said,

1) Do NOT have a single banking relationship. Find solid banks using something like this...

http://bauerfinancial.com/btc_ratings.asp

...and spread what money you have over a few solid institutions. Make sure at least one is based in your home town. Have ID’s and passwords for each account and don't keep them on your computer. Keep them handwritten in a “little black book” that you keep with you at all times.

2) Even in inflationary times, cash is king. Live within your means.

3) Buy used gold jewelry you like to wear. Keep it in a safe when not in use.

4) Real Estate might be an option if you have the means to maintain it.

5) Train yourself on the use of firearms and buy some high-end weapons that will retain/increase in value.

6) Learn to grow things like peppers, tomatoes and squash.

7) Get out of a big city if that is where you live now. Find a suburb with low crime statistics. Move now before everyone wants to. Get to know your neighbors.

8) Try not to owe anyone anything.

76 posted on 11/03/2010 6:11:14 PM PDT by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: griswold3

Rising input costs will mean another round of layoffs.

PS I have a new tagline.


77 posted on 11/03/2010 6:11:28 PM PDT by griswold3 (Employment is off-shored, away from govt. regulations, price pressure groups, and liabilities.)
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To: Gabrial

I like number 7 because bartering will be an ideal way of life.


78 posted on 11/03/2010 6:16:08 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Gabrial
1) Do NOT have a single banking relationship. Find solid banks using something like this... http://bauerfinancial.com/btc_ratings.asp

You are a troll, your link sucks.. folks,, don't go there.

79 posted on 11/03/2010 6:29:58 PM PDT by MrPiper
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To: John 3_19-21

You pretty much nailed it.

I reckon $500 bn might boost gold by some $500/oz. May see $2000 gold by Springtime?

I wish I had the data to do it but am sure a regression equation can be developed correlating the amount of oil price increase in $ and gold price increase in $ based on the amount of QE pumped into the economy over a given period of time, and how much the $ will decline against the Yen and Euro.. That would be a very useful predictive model.

One this is for sure is that prices have not gone down while jobs and demand dried up.

So where did the $2 trillion they already printed go?


80 posted on 11/03/2010 6:35:41 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: FlyingEagle

I just can’t wait until the dollar is like the Zimbabwe money with hyperinflation. They have trillion dollar bills. I can’t wait until these Fed Reserve morons screw me and my family. Thanks in advance, you nitwits.


81 posted on 11/03/2010 6:38:53 PM PDT by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: Hojczyk
will gas go up even more, wonderful...
82 posted on 11/03/2010 6:40:09 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - Voter Fraud should be a Capital Offense!!!)
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To: FlyingEagle
18 million went to dead people
83 posted on 11/03/2010 6:42:58 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: WellyP

What will happen to all those far left groups when the old bastard Soros croakes?


84 posted on 11/03/2010 6:46:21 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: Hojczyk

Collapse of the dollar coming!


85 posted on 11/03/2010 6:52:00 PM PDT by rlferny
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To: Captain Peter Blood

then the republicans can get the blame!!


86 posted on 11/03/2010 6:52:44 PM PDT by rlferny
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To: Hojczyk
Get ready for higher gas prices..the lower the dollar the higher the price of oil...Thanks OBAMA

OPEC leaders had already signaled $90 a barrel as an acceptable price target. Given their stance, this pending drop in the value of the dollar, and the increased cost of drilling for unconventional oil sources, we are likely to see $100 a barrel oil before summer.

87 posted on 11/03/2010 6:57:36 PM PDT by Dark Fired Tobacco
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To: cranked

Well said. But instead of jail, I’d like to see them at the stake in the town square with every unemployed person in the country getting his turn with the bullwhip.

And at Bawney to their company.


88 posted on 11/03/2010 7:07:26 PM PDT by chilltherats (He was born with a roaring voice, and it had the trick of inflaming half-wits against their betters)
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To: archivist007
The QE2

Upon hearing this news. This also comes to mind:


89 posted on 11/03/2010 7:12:44 PM PDT by 444Flyer ((Sing it now.) Na Na Na Naaaaa....Na Na Na Na....Hey! Hey! Hey! Goodbye Speaker Pelosi!)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

You called that exactly right!


90 posted on 11/03/2010 7:13:35 PM PDT by caww
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To: Jedidah

Soros was booted out of Europe and as I understand Clintons welcomed him here. He manipulated the banks in Europe and cleaned up monetarily by doing so, he is a felon and was convicted...so they booted his fanny out. Now he’s doing the same thing in our country..and thru us also on the International scene. The man is heartless and vile


91 posted on 11/03/2010 7:18:04 PM PDT by caww
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To: metmom
Metmom....is that what you have done? I am perplexed and confused on where to start. Don't own, rent. Landlord wants to move me to a very nice apartment where he has another unit he'd like me in, and no other units! ..it's out in the country more, yet just four miles from all I would need. I just found this out yesterday and would occur in the Spring or early summer. I am considering this though I am accustomed to living In cities or downtowns.

But where does one even begin to get into survival mode. There must be lists for essentials from reliable websites. I tried some but there are so many where do you start? Thinking food would be first priority?

92 posted on 11/03/2010 7:28:09 PM PDT by caww
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To: coconut47

That’s about 5500 dollars for every household in America.


93 posted on 11/03/2010 7:57:58 PM PDT by ecomcon
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To: Hojczyk
Fed to Spend $600 Billion More To Help Boost US Economy

This title is a lie. The Fed is not expanding the money supply by half a trillion in order to boost the economy. They are doing it solely to help finance the federal budget deficit. No one is buying Treasury bonds, and the government needs cash to keep running, so the Fed stepped in and bought those bonds with freshly-issued money. (See: Zimbabwe)

94 posted on 11/03/2010 8:06:37 PM PDT by Hoodat ( .For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.d)
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To: MrPiper
“1) Do NOT have a single banking relationship. Find solid banks using something like this... http://bauerfinancial.com/btc_ratings.asp
You are a troll, your link sucks.. folks,, don't go there.”

Well I must say, it is not “my” link. I have personally found Bauer Financial Services to be quite helpful in providing an objective measure of the relative financial strength of a bank. It is well regarded in the industry. Here is one review. There are others out there.

http://www.mycity.com/vh/Torrance/CA/shopping/340217/Bauer-Financial-Services

It is not the easiest site to use as you must have very detailed information regarding the bank you want to research. Major banks have many different charters and subsidiary institutions and you must be careful to exactly identify the bank you are researching.

Good luck, and I hold no grudge on you for calling me a “troll”. Your accusation does not make me regret my financial contribution to this very good forum.

95 posted on 11/03/2010 8:11:41 PM PDT by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: John 3_19-21

Not only 600 Billion, but 75 Billion a month through the second quarter of 2011. That would be somewhere in the neighborhood of another 450 billion. That only adds up to another Trillion over the next 6-8 months....


96 posted on 11/03/2010 8:36:27 PM PDT by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: caww; mdittmar; ChocChipCookie

No. that’s what I’d like to do. I was responding to the question in post 25 of “So if you had some cash just sitting on the sidelines,what would you do?”

Right now, we’re looking at insulating the house, putting in a new window or two, getting a new front loader washer, finishing remodeling the bathroom. We could save some money with some of those improvements and I think we ought to before any inflation hits and the money is worthless.

ChocChipCookie has a survivalist ping list that could help you get started.

*sigh* where to begin....

We already live pretty far out in the country in a small town but don’t have a lot of property. Living more out in the country is going to be safer when TSHTF. Less likely an immediate problem with looters and gangs and likely the grocery stores will be looted out in a day or so. Once the food runs out in the cities, it’s going to get ugly real fast. However, everyone will be heading out into the country cause they think food will be there.

Some people have emergency bug out kits stored in their cars. A backpack, an extra pair of sneakers, water, some freeze dried or high energy snack food to carry to get them home.

First off, don’t tell anyone about it. You don’t want them all coming after you for food because they didn’t prepare, and they will and they will expect you to cheerfully share what you have, not thinking that that will make you run short sooner.

The essentials are considered water, food, ammo and a gun, and any medicines that you might need. Lead is considered a better investment that gold or silver, by survivalists. I think salt is going to be an overlooked necessity.

There are many foods that can be stored very easily. I use canning jars for mine as the lids make an airtight seal even though I don’t process them. I store grains, nuts, and spices in mine, usually in the freezer until I need the freezer for meat. Even when they’re not in the freezer, they are pest proof in the jars. However, the jars can break. If you’re somewhere where you can stay, canned goods shouldn’t be a problem, like tuna, soups, etc. but they’re too heavy to carry when *bugging out*.

I have my own canning supplies, a canner, a pressure canner, tons of canning jars and a fair supply of lids. I am able to home can food I can find locally.

I also have a decent stock of paper goods and soaps and shampoos and laundry detergent. A large part of that is because I HATE dragging the heavy stuff in through the slop in the winter, plus, you never know when you’ll be homebound cause of an ice or snow storm. When everyone is in panic mode at the local Wegmans stocking up for the storm before it gets any worse, (they’ve already waited till it started) I’m at home looking out the window thinking that it’s nice that I don’t have to go anywhere.

You know, a good book to read is One Second After. It’s a fictional scenario of what happens after an EMP (electromagnetic pulse) fries all the electronics and society breaks down. It is rather thought provoking and if you’re prone to it, you’ll be crying your eyes out towards the end. I’m not and I was.

What the book really showed me was that without too much trouble, one could have a nice little store of food that, carefully managed, could get them by for a few months. It certainly wouldn’t be what we’re used to, but you could survive on that.


97 posted on 11/03/2010 8:41:20 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Ever since bammy got in office, this world has sounded like a Left Behind novel.

It’s not just you.


98 posted on 11/03/2010 8:46:05 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

.. and the sheeple will blame the oil companies. *sigh*


99 posted on 11/03/2010 9:18:26 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: jd777
There are 2 districts within the state of Missouri (st Louis and Kanses City) and only 1 west of the rockies (san fran)...

You know in all the years I've been in finance, reading their statements, watching their hearings, etc., I never noticed that.

Thanks, you learn something every day.

100 posted on 11/03/2010 9:25:53 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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