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Fed's Quantitative Easing to Starve Middle Class Americans
NIA ^ | November 3, 2010 | National Inflation Association

Posted on 11/03/2010 10:58:05 PM PDT by Razzz42

...The fact that the Republicans took control of the House of Representatives last night is completely meaningless. If the U.S. government is to implement the spending cuts necessary in order to prevent hyperinflation, Americans will be faced with a second Great Depression, which NIA believes is a necessity and much better than the alternative. However, the Republicans will not risk being held responsible for the next Great Depression, because it will ensure Obama gets reelected in 2012. Therefore, NIA predicts that nothing is going to change with the Republicans taking over the House...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banking; congress; debtceiling; default; depression; dollar; federalreserve; nia
Everybody has their opinions, dismal as they may be. The article does establish some other poignant points if you try and gloss over the gloom and doom.

What I am reading is that default on its debt by the US Government will happen before hyperinflation ever takes hold.

1 posted on 11/03/2010 10:58:15 PM PDT by Razzz42
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To: Razzz42
The T-P Caucus is growing, growing, GROWing... (JAws theme)
2012 will be even BETTER....
2 posted on 11/03/2010 11:01:44 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Razzz42

Basically, the FED is going to impoverish future generations to keep the stock market from falling to where it should be. Bernanke said as much, from what I read, not the impoverishing thingee, heh.


3 posted on 11/03/2010 11:03:37 PM PDT by TeachableMoment
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To: Razzz42

Obama just wants to blame the newly elected Republicans for “everything bad that happens”, during the next two years. Will all of the GOP have a decent, foolproof game plan to deal with this, for the next two years and beyond?


4 posted on 11/03/2010 11:06:15 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: Razzz42
RINO infested GOP corruption, inaction and lack of honesty will result in nail pace restorative movement, resulting in The Usurper win in 2012.
Pray for the American people who have been sold out by 100 years of Congressional corruption and feeding at the trough of elite money interests! JMHO
Many old timers who voted TPA and GOP will not be around for 2012. Educating the youth is the main activity need to save the Republic in the long run.
If GOP needs to blunt NEA and Government employee Unions, the Republic may have a chance of survival. The Commies in Universities must be called out for the treason that they propagate!
Just my thought on a mix night of victories and disappointments.
5 posted on 11/03/2010 11:09:37 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: Razzz42

Beginning to starve the middle class...QE has been starving the middle class for two years...


6 posted on 11/03/2010 11:09:52 PM PDT by Fred (Suspend All Immigration Until Unemployment is Reduced to 5%)
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To: TeachableMoment
Bernanke loves to print more dollars (Monetary easing).

Fire up the presses.

And make sure Ben doesn't run out of ink printing all that money - with nothing backing it up!

Obama bamboozled millions... gave them the old 'okee doke.'

obama-ice-cream15-sm

7 posted on 11/03/2010 11:14:24 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: Razzz42
Emergency measures ? or steps taken by this out of control government intentionally ?
8 posted on 11/03/2010 11:16:15 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: TeachableMoment

Sad is’nt it? The biggest news of the day that guarantees that everything will be more expensive during a period of stagnant wages and massive unemployment and hardly anyone takes note of it.

We are facing disaster and the rest of the world is going to feel the pinch too until they dump the dollar.

What a mess. All this to prevent the big banks from eating the losses they richly deserve. I love the excuse too, give the banks more money to lend as if the American consumer will borrow themselves out of the recession or coming depression. Genius!

The banks are not loaning money because they are too busy profiting from it and too few qualify for loans. Imagine how bad it will be for people on pensions when the market crashes at the same time the dollar collapses.


9 posted on 11/03/2010 11:16:47 PM PDT by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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To: volunbeer
There are some things the new Congress can do.

Freeze all FedGov spending.

Recall all TARP/bailout money not spent - which is a hellofa lot

Start making in cuts, begin with the re-imposition of the ‘welfare reforms’ recently overturned.

Start another - but better named - “Operation Wetback”

Fix the ‘Bush tax cuts’ by making them permanent

Jam a stick in the spokes of Freddie and Fannie - and clean out the nest of corrutions by firing all the Dem robbers i those organizations

Free Willy

Tell Germany - goodby - for that matter tell South Korea, Ahell, tell all of Europe goodby - and the Brits - goodby to them as well. Leave Kosovo - if it is important - Europe can sort it out and pay for it.

Reduce US Corporate taxes 5%, drop capital gains taxes for 4 years.

There is a lot that could be done - but is the will to overcome entrenched special interests there????

10 posted on 11/03/2010 11:30:06 PM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: Razzz42
You know, they've got a real scheme with this. Everyone is talking about how it will devalue your money, so they are hoping to scare people into not hanging onto their money because it's going to be worth less and probably worth less in a big jump. So, if people do get scared and spend their money, “Oh Boy!”, they'll shout, “our stimulation of the economy has finally taken effect. Who knew it would take this long? Well, we were wrong about the timing, but we were really right all along.”

Now, if people don't start spending out of fear of inflation, they just devalue the bucks and tell people, “well, that's the way it goes when people aren't spending and begin to lose faith and horde their money”.

Just a thought about how this might be as much a psychological game on their part every bit as much as an action intended to solve anything.

Regards

11 posted on 11/03/2010 11:39:54 PM PDT by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: volunbeer

There are some people speaking up but it seems it will be too little too late for average people. Get ready to more for everything you really need to live.

Bachmann: I begged the Fed not to do it
Michele: ‘Does anyone honestly believe adding inflation would be a good thing?’

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=223665

Bernanke Confirms That The Key Goal Of The Fed, And QE2, Is To Boost Stock Prices

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/bernanke-confirms-key-goal-fed-and-qe2-boost-stock-prices-create-wealth-delusion

Glenn Beck Explains The Latest Iteration Of Quantitative Easing

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/glenn-beck-explains-quantiative-easing

Cathy McMorris (R-WA-5) Condemns Bernanke

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=171168

Those bankers didn’t donate heavily to obama long before he was running for president for nothing.

Quoting Freeper

“algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)”

It’s interesting how many forget that the Fed is right out of Marx’s Manifesto:

“The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state, i.e., of the proletariat organized as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.

Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionizing the mode of production. ... “

Measure No 5 of 10 to achieve the above in advanced nations =
“5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.”

Manifesto of the Communist Party by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf


12 posted on 11/03/2010 11:42:44 PM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: ASOC

I agree that there are lots of things we could do but it will require sacrifice and cause pain to the entitlement crowd.

I don’t think we have the willpower to do it and suspect that any politician or party that causes such pain will get decimated in the next election.

The moral thing to do is eat the losses now to ensure a better future for our children. I don’t think there are enough of us that feel like that and half our citizens are beneficiaries with a vote.

I feel sick for my children. What our gov’t and fellow citizens are doing to them is absolutely wrong and unconstitutional. No generation or generations should have the right to saddle future generations with crushing debt and worthless dollars but our nation is oblivious to what is coming.


13 posted on 11/03/2010 11:49:25 PM PDT by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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To: ASOC

But, “moderates” will stymie all of that.

Don’t be too “extreme” and stop spending, reform welfare, Fannie Mae, protect the unborn, call out the GW lie or enfore borders.

No, that’s BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD


14 posted on 11/03/2010 11:50:29 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Razzz42

Bush did something much worse.

all dates, 2008.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11236

July 30: President Bush signs a housing bill including $300 billion in new loan authority for the government to back cheaper mortgages for troubled homeowners.

Sept. 7: The Treasury takes over mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, putting them into a conservatorship and pledging up to $200 billion to back their assets.

Sept. 16: The Fed injects $85 billion into the failing American International Group, one of the world’s largest insurance companies.

Sept. 16: The Fed pumps $70 billion more into the nation’s financial system to help ease credit stresses.

Sept. 19: The Treasury temporarily guarantees money market funds against losses up to $50 billion.

Oct. 3: President Bush signs the $700 billion economic bailout package. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson says the money will be used to buy distressed mortgage-related securities from banks.

Oct. 6: The Fed increases a short-term loan program, saying it is boosting short-term lending to banks to $150 billion.

Oct. 7: The Fed says it will start buying unsecured short-term debt from companies, and says that up to $1.3 trillion of the debt may qualify for the program.

Oct. 8: The Fed agrees to lend AIG $37.8 billion more, bringing total to about $123 billion.

Oct. 14: The Treasury says it will use $250 billion of the $700 billion bailout to inject capital into the banks, with $125 billion provided to nine of the largest.

Oct. 14: The FDIC says it will temporarily guarantee up to a total of $1.4 trillion in loans between banks.

Oct. 21: The Fed says it will provide up to $540 billion in financing to provide liquidity for money market mutual funds.

Nov. 10: The Treasury and Fed replace the two loans provided to AIG with a $150 billion aid package that includes an infusion of $40 billion from the government’s bailout fund.

Nov. 12: Paulson says the government will not buy distressed mortgage-related assets, but instead will concentrate on injecting capital into banks.

Nov. 17: Treasury says it has provided $33.6 billion in capital to another 21 banks. So far, the government has invested $158.6 billion in 30 banks.


15 posted on 11/03/2010 11:50:59 PM PDT by Talf
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To: volunbeer

AS they say, in a zero sum game, someones gotta die.

Should my grandchildren pay the price for a 5th generation welfare maggot? (welfare quees, welfare (fill the blank))

Should my grandchildren pay for someone who spent their working life pissing away every dime that had because “social secutiy” would pay for
thier retirement,
their home
thier medical care
and everything else.

Now I know what the Germans must be feeling.....


16 posted on 11/04/2010 12:01:55 AM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: FromLori

The cascade effect from this will make the Great Depression look like a cakewalk in our consumer driven service oriented economy.

When dollars are tight who is going to buy ice cream, fancy clothes, nice haircuts, makeup, vacations, and all the other non-essential crap that seems to make up so much of our economy? Most people will not be able to afford such things and these are small businesses that employ our neighbors. Consumer spending is already down before the idea of inflation even creeps onto the tongues of Americans.


17 posted on 11/04/2010 12:06:38 AM PDT by volunbeer
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To: ASOC

>AS they say, in a zero sum game, someones gotta die.
>
>Should my grandchildren pay the price for a 5th generation welfare maggot? (welfare quees, welfare (fill the blank))

They would say “yes, because everyone has the right to life” and you don’t want to be so heartless to kill them with your stinginess, right?”

>Should my grandchildren pay for someone who spent their working life pissing away every dime that had because “social secutiy” would pay for
>thier retirement, their home thier medical care and everything else.

That depends; are your ‘grandchildren’ even real; or are they unborn?
Were your ancestors any of them, anywhere, even through spouses connected with the slave trade?
Are you, in any way, rich?
Are you a Christian; and aren’t Christians REQUIRED to love others? {And if you loved them, wouldn’t you support them?}
(The above should have been read dripping with cynicism.)

>Now I know what the Germans must be feeling.....

Heh. - Just wait until we get to empathize with the Israelites of ancient Egypt.


18 posted on 11/04/2010 12:47:33 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: All

This is typically how failed monetary systems end. Through out history, citizens suffer as their currency is debased and all the effects that go along with it including revolt.

Unfortunately we have front row seats.


19 posted on 11/04/2010 12:56:12 AM PDT by Razzz42
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To: J Edgar
You hold a far more positive view of the future than I do...But then, I am an old timer who has been bitching (or listening to bitching) about the future of the former Republic since 1946...

Since 1906, when the Republic came under assault, America has had many precise warnings about the future. How many times did Ronald Reagan, for example, precisely describe the potential for a headlong slide into tyranny based on the actions being taken by the marxists/statists who ruled us and the continual inaction of the majority of the American people.

Let me see...When the water gets to a full boil, do the frogs ever get out?

Only if the pot gets kicked over...

Any optimism I have is based primarily on large stores of ammo, food, gold, clothes, and medicines and the knowledge that my grandchildren (who are all, except one, in their mid-20's) know where it is and how to make use of it.

20 posted on 11/04/2010 1:36:04 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: OneWingedShark; ASOC

You wanna do over for all that ?

BTDT - just payin it forward.


21 posted on 11/04/2010 2:11:22 AM PDT by onona (dbada)
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To: Razzz42

Insomnia.


22 posted on 11/04/2010 2:28:45 AM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: Razzz42
It is probably tactically better to let the economy chug along at a low level while trying to prevent more QE scheissunddrek than to force the necessary changes now. If we get the crash and depression that is baked into the cake then it will likely cost us the Congress again and the presidency, too. Then the Keynesian rocket ship will take off spectacularly and the situation will be far worse and perhaps terminal. Better to wait until we have the power to actually do something, as when Reagan became president. The Republicans could not do anything while Carter held his hand on the throat of the country but when Reagan got on his horse he was able to do the necessary things and we had another sharp recession that ENDED. Without Reagan's ability to speak to the nation I don't think we can đo that without solid control of Congress and the presidency. Even the resulting sharp "correction" will probably cost the Republicans the next midterm but the repair will have been made and we will come out of it, probably while the president is still a Republican. God help us if that Republican is Romney. Then all bets are off.
23 posted on 11/04/2010 2:31:34 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
Obama just wants to blame the newly elected Republicans for “everything bad that happens”

If the Republicans in the House pass constructive measure after constructive measure through the next two years for the Senate to abort or for the Kenyan to veto then the Rationalist-in-Chief cannot get any traction with his blaming because it would all come down to the "Do Nothing Congress" which won't fly so long as the Congress is incessantly doing. Then it will be the President who looks like a pure obstructionist. But the Republicans can't lie back and say well, we can't do anything anyhow, so we'll just stop whatever it is the Kenyan and his senators try. They have to be a hive of activity. Economically we don't need successful Reagan type measures passed, at least not so early that they take effect before, say, September 2012. We don't need that cleansing short term crash to knock it all into the proverbial cocked hat by turning it all over to the Left Democrats in November 2012. Our guys just need to try hard to stanch the bleeding from the Fed somewhat until sometime in 2012 when the can get serious and, if successful, won't bring the crash-before-the-rapid-recovery until it is too late to affect the election.

24 posted on 11/04/2010 2:43:31 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: volunbeer

The depression is not “coming.” It is already here, Remember the classic one was not a continuous downturn. It was a series of recessions and anemic recoveries. It was proclaimed to be ended several times and did not really end until the 50s boom when the soldiers were all added back into thêconomy and Ike got most of the economic repressions of the New Deal lifted. During the war years we had a full-employment depression but people were no better off materially. All that production was being blown up as fast as it was produced and wages were frozen at near third world levels. Outside of the war years unemployment was up and downish. Unemployment now, if figured the way it was then, is comparable to that in the 30s.


25 posted on 11/04/2010 2:52:32 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: ASOC
The Republicans can't really do much of that. They can't get positive meăsures past the Senate or Veto. They can cut off funds for the socialist stuff but they cannot kill the programs, only put them into hiatus until November 2012. But they have to keep passing stuff in the House and pushing stuff in the Senate. They have to keep DOING so that Soetoro becomes the apparent and real Obstructionist.
26 posted on 11/04/2010 2:56:05 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: J Edgar

I think the only thing the conservatives can do to give back any real chance of a long term future for the Republic is every conservative family pull its children out of public dchools and home school them or send them to parochial schools or carefully vetted private schools.


27 posted on 11/04/2010 2:59:06 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Razzz42

I would hate to see something similar to the Great Depression today. You would not have people coming to the door begging for a meal. They will kick in your door take your goods and food and then kill you nowadays. This is why a depression like that of the 30’s is not really a viable thing - it will mean the unraveling of society and I wonder why some here seem to revel in the prospect of it.

Mel


28 posted on 11/04/2010 3:02:12 AM PDT by melsec
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To: arthurus

I agree with you 100%. It is a matter of semantics. The elites and the press are talking about recovery as we slip further into the depression.


29 posted on 11/04/2010 3:05:18 AM PDT by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: Razzz42
This is a dangerous situation that must be carefully managed. I think significant inflation is unavoidable and will result in the least lousy results. As the value of the dollar goes down, by definition everyone will adjust the prices they charge for goods and services.

Those sitting on money will be forced to invest it in new ventures, thereby increasing employment.

Higher prices from offshore sources will result in some manufacturing returning to the US.

This will also require laws to be passed to eliminate inflation-indexed pensions.

Those who will suffer most will be those on fixed incomes. Inflation will simply be a way of reneging on pension plans.

Staffing companies will experience a surge, as the only way people will be able to keep up with inflation is to change employers.

As the dollar becomes worth-less it will become much easier for Joe Sixpack to pay off mortgages and other debt.

The Chinese - who are sitting on a mountain of dollars - will begin buying businesses and property in the US. Many Americans will be working for Chinese bosses. Chinese will begin moving to the US en-masse - which will probably improve the neighborhood here in the US.

In summary - it's going to be a rough ride and a mixed bag of blessings and curses - but mainly curses for those who won't roll up their sleeves and get to work. And it will beat the alternative - which was best depicted in the movie "Soylent Green".

30 posted on 11/04/2010 3:08:46 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: Talf

Interesting


31 posted on 11/04/2010 5:51:28 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

It’s time for the Republican leadership to explain to the American people what the Federal Reserve is doing, and how it will lead to hyperinflation. But they are so afraid of panic that they don’t have the balls to provide Americans with information that they’re entitled to. Bottom line is that most Americans will figure this out anyway within the next 6 months, when they question why their dollar is losing buying power. GOP needs to get ahead of the curve on the current information gap.


32 posted on 11/04/2010 6:03:03 AM PDT by GOPBlonde
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To: arthurus

The (R) party has two years to show they are not the (D) party - or Socialists.

I have no doubt the lame duckers will leave a scorched earth for the incoming folks to deal with - just as they did under Clinton.

If they expect to do well in 2012, they had better show bammy beating his veto stamp to death - they sure as he!! are not going to get any help from the ‘free press’.


33 posted on 11/04/2010 7:55:47 AM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: onona

I’m afraid I don’t understand either the question or the letters....is it a New York thing?


34 posted on 11/04/2010 7:57:11 AM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: onona

BTDT?


35 posted on 11/04/2010 8:44:37 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark; ASOC

been there, done that.


36 posted on 11/04/2010 9:20:48 AM PDT by onona (dbada)
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To: melsec

I agree with everything you wrote there.


37 posted on 11/04/2010 9:32:12 AM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: arthurus

The depression is not “coming.” It is already here

____________________

I suspect you are right but it’s hard to find “experts” that say it. I suspect most of them are afraid to admit it lest they harm themselves.

This recession has felt so much different than the others I have experienced in my middle aged life. I take different routes home and pay attention to businesses that are closing and my area is doing better than most. I see many businesses that have to be really hurting and probably will close given what the next few years or decades look like.

At some point it seems like the cascade effect will happen and many many more people will be out of work. I am not an economists but I recognize that Wall Street and our leaders are living in a different world than the rest of us.

The actions of the Fed are very dangerous in an economy dependent on consumer spending. The more people cut out non-essential spending the more businesses will borrow to stay afloat before inevitably closing their doors and laying off workers. The cascade effect has probably already started and we still have plenty of structural problems with debt, public pensions, entitlements, and the health of our currency.

It feels like our leaders live in a different reality than I do if they think we can borrow our way to prosperity. I have feared all along that the Fed and our gov’t would monetize our debt to benefit themselves.

It is depressing to think about but thanks for an excellent post. I need to read more about the Great Depression and encourage everyone else to prepare the best they can.


38 posted on 11/04/2010 9:49:04 AM PDT by volunbeer
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To: arkady_renko

Cheers!

I was wondering whether I would get a reply on that one. I am glad that I am not the only one who sees the terror in this.

Mel


39 posted on 11/04/2010 1:31:12 PM PDT by melsec
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To: arthurus

I agree with one additional proviso - the parochial need to be vetted too!
Not all Catholic Schools are the same these days!


40 posted on 11/04/2010 7:57:31 PM PDT by J Edgar
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