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'I blame Karl Rove'
STG News ^ | 11/3/10 | William Way, Jr.

Posted on 11/04/2010 4:30:30 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta

There is a singular event that shoved the Republican Senate car over the cliff.

That event was the primary victory of Christine O'Donnell. This morning she used a phrase that is right on the money. That description is "Republican Cannibalism."

I personally hold Karl Rove to blame, followed closely by Senator John Cornyn. Rove is an establishment Progressive Republican of the first order.

Following O'Donnell's message of values victory in Delaware, Rove started slinging mud in her direction because he realized she was a woman that couldn't be bought & sold on a D.C. street corner.

It was Rove who almost exclusively undermined an untested Republican. When challenged, he became entrenched, making it a media story.

Coming out of a surprise primary victory, everyone would obviously be questioning O’Donnell’s candidacy.

It's the "Man Bites Dog" story. Rove turned an opportunity to help create an up-and-coming political star into much less.

The bottom feeder Rove chose for his personal aggrandizement to put blood in the water. The sharks had a feeding frenzy.

The result was that yet another "Traditional Values Candidate" was beaten by her own political party, & the momentum of several other races was slowed.

It gave Reid & others the chance to further paint traditional values candidates as kooks. The Republican cannibalism resulted in the Senate leadership failure to get behind Republican nominees.

The cannibalism by a self-professed REPUBLICAN strategist, wrapped up is his own glory led to lost momentum by MIller, Fiorina (albeit her real defeat was the unfortunate infection), Buck, Angle & Rossi.

His poor choices contributed to a decay of no less than 15 percent-point in Delaware. Had Delaware been advocated by Rove, rather than diminished, today we would be looking at a three-seat Senate majority, & a Republican Governor in CA.

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To: sam_paine

Her campaign was all about conservative principles.

Karl Rove has been all about conserving the establishment at any cost.


161 posted on 11/04/2010 8:01:35 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: Pilsner
But many O'Donnell supporters want it both ways. They want to say that it is better to lose with her, than to win with Castle, then, when she loses, in a landslide, just as people like Rove said she would, blame Rove for her loss.

Bears bumping and repeating.

By the way, I donated $250 to O'Donnell via Jim DeMint. But I was never under the illusion that she was anything other than an extreme long shot.

162 posted on 11/04/2010 8:02:29 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I've been ionized, but I'm okay now.)
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To: Keith in Iowa

What has she said she will do now? What do you think she should do?


163 posted on 11/04/2010 8:03:17 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Christine O’Donnell won the Republican primary in DE and Karl Rove immediately went on FOX and trashed her. His actions then and in the following days of weaving in his anger towards her at every opportunity thru the national media certainly did provide fuel for her opposition. Even had COD won that DE senate seat, I would have always remembered what Rove did and no amount of spin will erase my disgust and memory of his ongoing attempts to sabotage her campaign. I wonder whether Rove is still even a Republican and I understand that he was at one time a RAT so maybe he has reverted to where he is most comfortable. I am also curious as to whether Delaware Republicans will hold primaries in the future. Will candidates for office now go directly to independent runs, not only in DE but all over the country? Who needs the opposition of their own party along with their other opponents? DE has probably affected the voting process outside their state far more than is now realized. The refusal of Republican candidates in Alaska, Fla, and Delaware to accept defeat with no adverse consequences from the party is an open invitation to a third party to step in and provide a disciplined and viable alternative. The GOP had best pay attention to their unelitist voter base who realize that they can make their own rules for choosing and electing candidates.


164 posted on 11/04/2010 8:06:18 AM PDT by mountainfolk (God Bless the United States of America)
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To: sam_paine

She ought to paint Karl Rove to be the establishment, anti-conservative weenie he is.


165 posted on 11/04/2010 8:06:57 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: A.Hun
Did I say Rove was to blame for O'Donnell's loss? No.

Invoking Reagan's 11th is ridiculous nowadays on this forum

What do you not understand that Rove did it on TV...not on FR...and there is a difference. You can't make excuses for him! He screwed up ... his behavior was inexcuseable, IMO. If you see it differently, so be it, but you won't change my opinion.

Rove might be a "good guy"...when things go his way. It isn't about COD...it's that Rove made a fool of himself...on TV...and I think it revealed character flaws.

166 posted on 11/04/2010 8:09:50 AM PDT by lonestar
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To: catnipman
Great post catnipman.

It's one thing to correctly see that many of the lifetime GOP pols are not friends of conservatism.

But what we saw in the O'Donnell campaign as well as (to a lesser extent) Angle, Buck, and Paladino, was the attempt to exalt political naivete as a outright virtue.

That concept, to put it mildly, failed.

167 posted on 11/04/2010 8:11:23 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I've been ionized, but I'm okay now.)
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To: sam_paine
If she blames others, and allows her supporters to blame others, then she’s telling us all we need to know about her.

Good point. We will be watching her to see how she continues to handle her loss to an evil Democrat.

It is possible that Castle would have lost this race, too.

It still is a shame that Christine did not enjoy the full and enthusiastic support of the entire Republican party. Rove, Castle, and others held back when it is not a time to hold back, IMO.

168 posted on 11/04/2010 8:20:15 AM PDT by olezip
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To: catnipman
Hopefully, the Tea Partiers will grow up, learn from their mistakes, and focus more on winning in the future rather than purity.

Don't hold your breath. "Conservatives" gave the Dems control in 2006, and are determined to keep them in power at the expense of moderate Repubs (RINOs).

That's one of the reasons we are doomed.

BTW...excellent post but not many here will agree.

169 posted on 11/04/2010 8:32:14 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: samtheman

She may well have lost anyway. But Rove’s attacks certainly didn’t help.


170 posted on 11/04/2010 8:34:47 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Darkwolf377

You make some great points. I don’t want the “Tea Party” movement, or the Conservative movement, to make heroes out of the politically abused. I want us to make SMART choices, as well as conservative ones. I think we can go forward and use what we have learned here in the future, I hope the GOP has learned as well. We can have good, electable candidates that ARE conservative as well, we shouldn’t have to settle. The next elections may not be as “easy” for Republicans as this one was, with this historic wave. We have to be smart.


171 posted on 11/04/2010 8:36:30 AM PDT by Paradox (Democrats new Motto: Vini, Vidi, Lewinski!)
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To: A.Hun

2006 wasn’t the voters’ fault. It was the Republican Party’s fault for forgetting why they were sent to govern.


172 posted on 11/04/2010 8:36:48 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: lonestar
What do you not understand that Rove did it on TV...not on FR...and there is a difference.

Agreed, it was a mistake, but I disagree that there is much difference between grass roots or pundits trashing Repub candidates.

Both are harmful.

We wore that topic out on this thread:

Karl Rove's Flameout

173 posted on 11/04/2010 8:39:01 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: Paradox
we shouldn’t have to settle

The key phrase.

If we lower our standards, we have no business bitching about the left's pandering to the laziest impulses in our citizens.

We have tons of talent and the best ideas. We have the luxury of being choosy, or will if we make the party welcome to the best of our nation's people. What a message to send to the country--we're the party of the best, and look at our candidates for proof of that.

What can the party of Barney Frank and the community organizer put up against that? Nothing but fear and pandering.

174 posted on 11/04/2010 8:41:11 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ( Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy! --E. Cartman)
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To: B Knotts
She may well have lost anyway. But Rove’s attacks certainly didn’t help.
I think they are 2 separate issues:

1. Rove's behavior and what should be done about it.

2. Why Christine lost.

It's important for us all to truly understand why Christine lost, so that we can avoid that kind of loss in the future.

As for the first question, I think we're all here agreed: he should lose all respect and all position of authority everywhere.

175 posted on 11/04/2010 8:44:37 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Darkwolf377; ilovesarah2012
Agree with both of you.

Agree or disagree with what Rove said (I disagreed), he simply doesn't have the power attributed to him in this article.

He is a Fox commentator. He has no position of authority in the Republican party. Those who do are far more to blame than Rove is (NRSC, etc.).

People on our side who claim he has some kind of power over elections are just as misguided as those on the left who do the same thing.

176 posted on 11/04/2010 8:48:11 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: B Knotts
It was the Republican Party’s fault for forgetting why they were sent to govern.

Nope. "Conservatives" thought Republicans and GWB could snap their fingers and change things. I knew it was foolish then, but no one wanted to listen.

We didn't have to worry about a government takeover of healthcare, or of a trillion dollar plus deficit, or ROE's in the wars that guaranteed defeat, or abandonment of Israel, or our tax cuts being taken away, or the EPA destroying our energy supply, or terrorists being given all the rights of a common American criminal, or any of a thousand other things that Pelosi and Obama have foisted on us.

"Conservatives" didn't realize how good we had it, or how bad it could get.

Now, after this tsunami (more like a high tide), we are about the same place in the House, and nine Senators down. I doubt conservatives will ever regain the power they had in 2004.

177 posted on 11/04/2010 8:49:34 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: A.Hun
Rove is more than a political strategist. He also attempts to be the voice and promoter of the GOP (in his narcissism). He has an inherent conflict of interest when a candidate he dislikes wins and he trashed a Republican candidate.

You can't be both an objective political strategist on a broadcasting network and the promoter of the party and he was stupid to even try.

178 posted on 11/04/2010 8:50:15 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; libbylu
Can you imagine Carville doing something like this to his own party?

Not even a worm like Carville would have maligned a Democrat selected in the primary the way Rove did O'Donnell.

Rove isn't smart. He is only vindictive and power-hungry.

179 posted on 11/04/2010 8:50:56 AM PDT by stripes1776
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To: samtheman

-——It’s important for us all to truly understand why Christine lost——

Rove et al were always correct..... she never had a real chance of winning the race in Deleware as it presently exists.

The messenger is being killed because the message is unacceptable.


180 posted on 11/04/2010 8:52:16 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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