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'I blame Karl Rove'
STG News ^ | 11/3/10 | William Way, Jr.

Posted on 11/04/2010 4:30:30 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta

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To: Recon Dad

>>>>I do nor disagree with this article, but someone should also be called to task for coming up with her first major TV ad, “I am not a witch”

She didn’t run the prefect campaign. IT DID NOT HELP for her to be running against the DemonRat in the race, the media, and the REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT. Once the primary was over - the Repulican establishment, if they couldn’t help - should have done no harm. THEY DID HARM. KARL ROVE DID HARM.

THe simple answer is to DEFUND HIS ACTIVITIES. DEFUND THE NRSC.


51 posted on 11/04/2010 5:19:45 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: Sacajaweau

‘Castle had a better chance for the seat.’

Not after he was defeated in the primary. The question is about ‘Republicans’ who continued to attack the official GOP candidate in the general election. Where I come from these folks are called ‘Democrats’.


52 posted on 11/04/2010 5:20:26 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: Sacajaweau

Yes. Let’s be real...Castle had a better chance for the seat IF conservatives rallied behind him in the interest of party unity. The fact is, he couldn’t win his own primary. By definition, a person who cannot win their own primary is also a weak candidate. Let’s be clear...O’Donnell would have ALSO had a better chance for the seat if the RINO centrists would have rallied to her cause, too!


53 posted on 11/04/2010 5:20:38 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Bring on 2012!)
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To: Sacajaweau

Sure, he did as would any liberal Republican. But, why elect a warmed over democrat?


54 posted on 11/04/2010 5:20:59 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Christine O’Donnell may have been too young, too naive, carried too much baggage from her youth etc., etc.,

Christine O’Donnell also showed courage by running for election at the risk of humiliation.

How many of her critics have demonstrated such boldness to run for election rather than just running their mouths and typing policies, principles and puffery on a blog?


55 posted on 11/04/2010 5:21:21 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God's redemption.)
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To: Keith in Iowa

Karl rove is about winninig not advancing the tea party.


56 posted on 11/04/2010 5:22:05 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: irish_links

She won the primary...Rove should have said nothing...let her sink or swim...he allowed the media to use his name to trash her..


57 posted on 11/04/2010 5:24:05 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: A.Hun

If she was such a bad candidate, why did the Republican running in the same district, for Congress, get the same vote? Guess it wasn’t about O’Donnell after all.


58 posted on 11/04/2010 5:24:43 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: newnhdad

So when we get to the choice between Stalin and Mao, we have to pick the most Conservative between the two?

No thanks, I will only vote Conservative.


59 posted on 11/04/2010 5:25:37 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: Paradox

You’re right, he shouldn’t have said what he did. But it’s fascinating how o’Donnell’s fans see no other reason for her crushing failure than that one comment. NO other reason. I’ve never seen anything like the closed-mindedness, the unwillingness to be honest with oneself about a terribly flawed candidates blindingly obvious failures.

Please tell me where the support or non-support of Michael Steele, or a mountain of criticism from the MSM, or party infighting completely destroyed ANY OTHER race by double digits.

Yet somehow, O’Donnell, who once polled at FOUR PERCENT and then lost to Biden by double-digits, who made two of the most laughable and laughed-at ads of the campaign, who gave interviews where she clearly exhibited her lack of knowledge on important topics...she was on her way to victory, until Karl Rove bitched on a TV show most voters didn’t even see.

The dems were stymied, they were frozen in their tracks by O’Donnell’s smarts and skill at winning elections, at her incredible experience...but then Karl Rove spouted well-known complaints about her, and suddenly they realized they could attack her and win!

Forget that she was ALWAYS behind in the race. No, Rove’s words struck like lightning, wiping out all her support.

This utterly embarassing candidate is supported by utterly blind cheerleaders who would be mocking her incessantly if she had a D after her name, and they know it.


60 posted on 11/04/2010 5:26:02 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ( Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy! --E. Cartman)
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To: ilovesarah2012
"O’Donnell wasn’t a good candidate. "

So, Coons was better?
61 posted on 11/04/2010 5:26:22 AM PDT by FrankR (November 2nd is NOT an election - it's a RESTRAINING ORDER.....VOTE!)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

I don’t think Meg could possibly have won in California. She painted *herself* as Ah-nald II
Given the choice between a true Democrat and a RINO people will vote for the Democrat most of the time.


62 posted on 11/04/2010 5:26:33 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: sodpoodle

....Christine O’Donnell also showed courage by running for election at the risk of humiliation....

Hardly, running for the Delaware Senate seat was the closest thing that O’Donnell had to a job since roughly 2005. She’s the Music Man for Conservative Christians without that character’s self awareness. Little Christine is the idiot savant of political grifters. Please folks, cut your losses.


63 posted on 11/04/2010 5:27:48 AM PDT by irish_links (: ... but only say the word and I shall be healed.)
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To: Darkwolf377

See #58 above.


64 posted on 11/04/2010 5:30:28 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: irish_links
Hardly, running for the Delaware Senate seat was the closest thing that O’Donnell had to a job since roughly 2005. She’s the Music Man for Conservative Christians without that character’s self awareness. Little Christine is the idiot savant of political grifters. Please folks, cut your losses.

The only question that matters is this:

Would we, as conservatives, be better off if O'Donnell had won rather than Coons? I can't imagine how your answer would be anything other than "yes", and if the answer is "yes", then Rove, the RNC, and all of you misguided supposedly conservative freepers should have shut the f*** up and supported her.
65 posted on 11/04/2010 5:34:28 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: GlockThe Vote

>>>Karl rove is about winninig not advancing the tea party.

Karl Rove is about advancing the REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT AT ANY COST - even if it means TRASHING A CONSERVATIVE. Take off your freakin blinders.


66 posted on 11/04/2010 5:35:02 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
O’Donnell was a terrible candidate. Karl Rove said he knew her for along time, she had baggage that would come out during the campaign.

Yes he did help W get elected Governor, defeating popular Ann Richards.

Rove does not hold public office. he gets paid for his opinion.

You say he is not responsible for W getting elected, But is for O’Donnell loosing.

67 posted on 11/04/2010 5:37:09 AM PDT by southphilly
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Amen brother. Why Rove did was way beyond any dirty tricks I've seen in a long time. Congratulations Rove. I'm dedicating myself to sending you back to Texas. Permanently!
68 posted on 11/04/2010 5:37:24 AM PDT by McGruff (A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Nice post....NOT


69 posted on 11/04/2010 5:39:10 AM PDT by southphilly
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To: irish_links

And Joe Biden is an intellectual giant?

During his first year there, he was accused of having plagiarized 5 of 15 pages of a law review article. Biden said it was inadvertent due to his not knowing the proper rules of citation, and he was permitted to retake the course after receiving a grade of F, which was subsequently dropped from his record.[18] He was admitted to the Delaware Bar in 1969.[17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden


70 posted on 11/04/2010 5:39:57 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God's redemption.)
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To: Darkwolf377; Diogenesis
DW the facts would seem to contradict your position. CoD did NOT get a large percentage of Rep votes. Mostly from mainstream Rovian types (if the exit polling is accurate). In any case Rove’s attacks were in bad form.
71 posted on 11/04/2010 5:40:41 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Playing by the rules only works if both sides do it!)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Please this woman did not do herself any favors
ok Rove and Co. didnt help fine but she was about a flawed a candidate as you can get
anytime you have to defend yourself regarding witchcraft you pretty much lose the narrative of the race
please
she was a weak flawed candidate. Another bummer is Sharon Angle - they nominated the only one who could lose against Reid for crying out loud


72 posted on 11/04/2010 5:41:33 AM PDT by DM1
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Karl Rove broke “Reagan’s Law” about attacking our own. He is nothing in my eyes. Let him talk all he wants, he’s never to be trusted again.


73 posted on 11/04/2010 5:42:21 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Darkwolf377
Well said.

There is one FR meme I hope is now dead, dead, dead.

"So what if (candidate) has a dodgy background?? (Candidate) is as well qualified as Obama, and he's President!!"

Conservatives who are clearly serious thinkers and who have a serious resume, with no major baggage, WON.

Conservatives who did not clear those bars, LOST.

The LSM is always going to give conservatives those higher bars to clear. Do I like that? Hell no, but it is a fact of life. We need to accept that fact and run candidates who can clear them.

74 posted on 11/04/2010 5:42:29 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I've been ionized, but I'm okay now.)
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To: Slehn
Rove didn’t make O’Donnell and he didn’t break her. She became a fruitloop all by herself and has only to look in the mirror to see the cause of her defeat.

Yeah. Thanks for stopping by. You can tell the Republican Party insiders that if they ever try something like this again there will be a third party. Maybe a tea Party. And the Republican Party will end up the losers.

75 posted on 11/04/2010 5:42:29 AM PDT by McGruff (A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs)
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To: RangerM
Most everything I’ve ever heard from Rove is not about Republican/Conservative ideology, but about winning.

Rove is no different from Dick Morris. Neither of them care a whit about ideology; they're more interested in understanding what the electorate thinks and how that translates to the political sphere.

76 posted on 11/04/2010 5:43:27 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Notary Sojac

Great post.

We can’t say Obama is unqualified, and then justify supporting a candidate by saying they’re just as unqualified as Obama.


77 posted on 11/04/2010 5:47:45 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ( Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy! --E. Cartman)
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To: mad_as_he$$
DW the facts would seem to contradict your position. CoD did NOT get a large percentage of Rep votes.

When did I say she did?

78 posted on 11/04/2010 5:48:44 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ( Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy! --E. Cartman)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Not sure of the pertinence of that quote, since I hoped O’Donnell would win, but whatever.


79 posted on 11/04/2010 5:50:09 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ( Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy! --E. Cartman)
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To: RangerM

Yeah, Rove also thought amnesty would usher in a permanent Republican majority. He’s responsible for many of the 2nd term intiatives Bush wanted to pursue and only SS reform was correct.

He may have the drive to win but he’s clearly biased toward a belief system that supports bigger government and the establishment structure being maintained even if it clashes with attaining majorities.

It wasn’t his doubt that she could win that is the issue (for me). I didn’t believe she’d win and I still supported her just because I didn’t want Castle in the Senate. The real issue is that he went out of his way to destroy her the very night she on. With their (public) support the victory of Coons may have not been double digits and maybe her presence on the tickets brings more conservatives to vote down the line on other candidates increasing their odds to win even if she couldn’t. They sabotaged the bottom ticket in their need to destroy her. That isn’t smart politics, it is the type of politics of a desperate establishment determined to destroy the conservative grassroots’s agenda to move power from their hands.

The HOuse was smarter. After Scozzy in NY21 they left the grassroots alone and they now stand at a Majority in the House. Hayley Barbour left us alone and they have a majority of Governors. The Senate took the opposite road and they are still the minority. They deserve their minority status.


80 posted on 11/04/2010 5:51:41 AM PDT by Soul Seeker ( I was there when we had the numbers, but didn’t have the principles.---Jim that leans conservDeMin)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Rove is truly a bottom feeder; and, now, he is saying it’s time for the Republicans to produce. Well, IMHO, the architect of “compassionate conservatism” can go to hell. He and GW had eight years to produce and they wound up giving us the 1st TARP, etc.


81 posted on 11/04/2010 5:52:02 AM PDT by izzatzo
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Just another example of GOP institutional predation on conservatives.

2012 will make the betrayal of Christine O’Donnell look kind and loving.


82 posted on 11/04/2010 5:53:27 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are going to punish our enemies, get in their faces and punch back twice as hard.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

“I dabbled into witchcraft — I never joined a coven. But I did, I did... I dabbled into witchcraft. I hung around people who were doing these things. I’m not making this stuff up. I know what they told me they do... One of my first dates with a witch was on a satanic altar, and I didn’t know it. I mean, there’s little blood there and stuff like that. We went to a movie and then had a midnight picnic on a satanic altar.”

“American scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains.”

“It is not enough to be abstinent with other people, you also have to be abstinent alone.”

“They’re following me. They follow me home at night. I make sure that I come back to the townhouse and then we have our team come out and check all the bushes and check all the cars to make sure that — they follow me.” — Weekly Standard interview, Sept. 2, 2010

“You see Tolkien’s wisdom applied to just about everything: Tolkien and communism, Tolkien and industrialization. In researching this topic I even found a book on Tolkien and sexual fetishes.”

‘’I believe if I were in that situation, God would provide a way to do the right thing righteously. I believe that!’’
—Christine O’Donnell, insisting that she is so fervently pro-truth that she wouldn’t lie to Nazis asking if she were hiding Jews in her home, ‘’Politically Incorrect,’’ Aug. 1998

‘’I was dabbling into every other kind of religion before I became a Christian. I was dabbling in witchcraft, I’ve dabbled in Buddhism. I would have become a Hare Krishna but I didn’t want to become a vegetarian. And that is honestly the reason why — because I’m Italian, I love meatballs!’’

‘’What I believe is irrelevant.’’
—Christine O’Donnell, after being asked during a debate if she believes evolution is a ‘’myth,’’ Oct. 13, 2010

‘Everything that he is saying is un-factual.’’
—Christine O’Donnell, responding to an attack by Karl Rove on her record, in which he said, ‘’Why did she mislead voters about her college education? How come it took nearly two decades to pay her college bills so she could get her college degree? How did she make a living? Why did she sue a well-known conservative think tank?’’ (ABC News interview, Sept. 15, 2010)

‘’Oh gosh. Give me a specific one ... I’m very sorry right off the top of my head, I know that there are a lot but, uh, I’ll put it up on my website I promise you.’’
—Delaware GOP Senate candidate Christine O’Donnell, unable to name a Supreme Court case she disagrees with during her debate with her opponent, Democrat Chris Coons, Oct. 13, 2010

[China has a] ‘’carefully thought out and strategic plan to take over America ... There’s much I want to say. I wish I wasn’t privy to some of the classified information that I am privy to ...

“I’m not a witch...I’m you.”


83 posted on 11/04/2010 5:53:37 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ( Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy! --E. Cartman)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; libbylu; RangerM; who knows what evil?; Recon Dad; ilovesarah2012; AlexW; ...

Christine O’Donnell got a million dollars from TEA partiers over night. There were other lower profile candidates where that kinda money would’ve made the difference.

She had the most high-profile opportunity to knock one out of the park for us.

Ronald Reagan lost, internalized it, learned from it, and grew into greatness.

If she blames others, and allows her supporters to blame others, then she’s telling us all we need to know about her.


84 posted on 11/04/2010 5:54:06 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Darkwolf377

But she lost because Karl Rove repeated facts about her that were common knowledge.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...


85 posted on 11/04/2010 5:54:17 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ( Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy! --E. Cartman)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Karl Rove had nothing to do with it. O’Donnell was a dingbat who wasn’t remotely qualified for a Senate seat. She claimed to be a “Constitutional Conservative” but needed the 14th, 16th and 17th amendments explained to her in a debate.


86 posted on 11/04/2010 5:54:57 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: sodpoodle

...During his first year there, he was accused of having plagiarized 5 of 15 pages of a law review article....

I’m not here to praise Ceasar but to bury him. Vice President Biden’s bulb is of very low wattage, but as you note above, he did attend law school, completed his degree and presumably passed the bar. I also believe he attended an Ivy League undergraduate school. He’s a slimy politician but his academic bone fides aren’t insignificant. Not so Miss O’Donnell. She only claimed to be enrolled at Princeton (perjuriously in a filed law suit) and Claremont (they disavow any knowledge of her). Rove merely pointed out that she had baggage that would make it very difficult for her to win the general. He was spot on. Mr. Rove is a political consultant. He gets paid for making shrewd political judgments and developing winning strategies for candidates. He’s a pro and he saw the Delaware Republican Party making an enormous unforced error and he expressed that opinion. Folks, don’t shoot the messenger. He forwarded sound advice. The Tea Party will do well in the future to listen to sound advice rather than developing teenage crushes on the next attractive woman who whispers sweet promises in our ears. Wake up and get serious or no one will remember that you existed two years from now. Please don’t voluntarily become irrelevant fringe elements. That’s where you’re headed with the likes of “I am You,” whatever that means.


87 posted on 11/04/2010 5:55:34 AM PDT by irish_links (: ... but only say the word and I shall be healed.)
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To: mad_as_he$$; Darkwolf377
DW the facts would seem to contradict your position. CoD did NOT get a large percentage of Rep votes.

If this is true, then it tells us that COD did not convince republican voters that she was a good candidate. She had a failure to launch. I would assume they stayed home rather than vote for Coons.

88 posted on 11/04/2010 5:57:53 AM PDT by dforest
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To: sam_paine

Great post.

Where are the conservative principles in a person who sues for $6.9 million because she didn’t get a promotion—because of gender discrimination—who misuses campaign money, who...

It’s pointless. Her superfans are melded to her because of emotion.

Leave Christine aloooone!


89 posted on 11/04/2010 5:58:12 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ( Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy! --E. Cartman)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Agree!.....he should not be a Fox news contributor, and I mute him when he is!

He totally slimed that woman.

90 posted on 11/04/2010 5:59:26 AM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: indylindy

I guess the Republicans in Delaware were brainwashed by Karl Rove.

If the guy had that kind of power, I guess he’s responsible for all the wins of the candidates he actively, vocally supported—and gave money to, as opposed to O’Donnell, who can’t pay her staff or bills, and wasted Tea Party money that could have helped win races with candidates who didn’t lose by double digits.


91 posted on 11/04/2010 6:00:25 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ( Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy! --E. Cartman)
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To: Darkwolf377

Your point was that she was a particularly bad candidate, yet she did no differently than the rest of the ticket.


92 posted on 11/04/2010 6:01:51 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
"I personally hold Karl Rove to blame, followed closely by Senator John Cornyn. Rove is an establishment Progressive Republican of the first order."

Of course both Rove and Cornyn are very culpable, but I would also throw in Mike Castle. We've all been told how extremely popular he is in DE and how he would have danced to victory as the candidate.

Well, if he's truly that influential (which I doubt), he should have graciously conceded the primary loss, endorsed O'Donnell and dare I say, campaigned for her.

That he didn't do these things is indicative that he is:

1. A sore loser

2. A cad

3. Not as popular or influential as the media and rino establishments have told us.

93 posted on 11/04/2010 6:03:25 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: ilovesarah2012

If, in your opinion, she was so bad,why didn’t you run in her place then? Back when they [Republicans] could not get anyone to run ahainst Biden she stepped up. She was good enough then.Other than her aging, what else changed? She was good enough to run against Biden, but, not against their RINO. In other words, the Establishment Republicans thought that she was good enough to screw but not to marry.

My take on it is that she took out their RINO, a/k/a Democrat butt boy and that is what ticked off the Establishment Republicans. They put out the talking points and their peanut gallery began parroting them.


94 posted on 11/04/2010 6:03:26 AM PDT by sport
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To: Darkwolf377

There you go again, claiming O’Donnell was a particularly bad candidate, while she fared just as well as all Republicans in her state.


95 posted on 11/04/2010 6:05:03 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: sodpoodle
How many of her critics have demonstrated such boldness to run for election rather than just running their mouths and typing policies, principles and puffery on a blog?

This is what we need to understand about this last cycle of elections. At this time 2 years ago no one in the republican party establishment wanted to run for senate in any of these states. The establishment candidates were kissing the boots of the ONE and wetting their fingers and sticking it in the air. Many of these nominees for the tea party were running and getting a head start on winning. Then the ONE starts tanking and all of the sudden everyone wants to run and people like Rove wanted to help pick the candidates. What Rove did is wrong. What we learned is to never trust him again.

Now we need to move on and find great young men and woman with tested backgrounds like Mike Rogers in Michigan to start running against the next group of Dem's like Debbie Stabenuw. We need to find the next Marco Rubio to run in 12 for the Fl seat. What we can not do is wait for Carl Rove to bring us the next Rino candidate like Candice Miller here in Mi.

I will start the process today in recruiting Mike and I would ask all of you to do the same in your states.

96 posted on 11/04/2010 6:05:31 AM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: Darkwolf377
"Where are the conservative principles in a person who sues for $6.9 million because she didn’t get a promotion..."

How conveniently everybody forgets Rove suing Dick Thornburgh in a trial presided over by a GHWB appointed judge.

97 posted on 11/04/2010 6:06:21 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Can you imagine Carville doing something like this to his own party?

You just have to look at Alvin Greene in South Carolina.

A bad candidate that the democrats just ignored. Don't advertise the weakness, take the loss and concentrate on your strong candidates.

98 posted on 11/04/2010 6:08:35 AM PDT by longjack
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

F.U.K.R.


99 posted on 11/04/2010 6:11:40 AM PDT by alicewonders
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To: Darkwolf377

The point is that Rove’s attacks would seem to have an effect. You took the position that they didn’t. Post 42.


100 posted on 11/04/2010 6:11:42 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Playing by the rules only works if both sides do it!)
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