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Posted on 11/04/2010 10:52:00 AM PDT by Conservative_Pragmatist

Hey gang-

I am new here. I was looking for Conservative boards to post on during the election and they just weren’t very good. Someone told me about this site so I figured I’d check it out.

I felt compelled to log-up after the Republicans took massive control of the US House this election.

Like most of you I was over-joyed when the Democrats got swept out of Congress. But we have seen how the tea leaves (pun intended) change. The last two cycles the Republicans got waxed, we were losing seats in strong Conservative areas. That cycle is now turned. We’ve picked up key seats in more Liberal areas like Mass, Illinois, Wisconsin, and here in Virginia a very popular Democrat (Boucher) was defeated. Never thought I’d see that, so the message is loud and clear, this nation DOES NOT want big government.

However, it’s easy to think the electorate in the center could swing right back to the other side if the Republicans fail to deliver. Or get this? Even if the Republicans DO deliver!

Personally, I think this election for the Republicans was great. We dominate the house so no far-left initiatives have any chance of ever making it to law. And I was sorta glad we didn’t get the Senate, because now the Democrats still have some culpability and Obama can’t play against the Republican congress in 2012. We are also close enough that if we win the White House in 2012, we could possibly send a complete majority Republican Senate with that person.

So that is GREAT news.

However, WHAT IF Obama decides to compromise with the Republicans? Remember Clinton compromised with the Republicans after 1994 and got some good things done on trade, welfare and the economy took off as well. Clinton was then re-elected as a more popular candidate than when he won in 1992.

Point is, if Clinton had not worked with the Republicans then maybe the country struggles longer and we beat him in 1996, but that wasn’t what was best for our country.

So the struggle I am having is this. Can we afford NOT to work with a Democrat President if it means we can help the USA? If he works WITH our guys, moves to the center, limits government spending and frees up the market and that helps our nation, then it stands a chance he could get re-elected, something I don’t want to see.

But…helping our country now, and the US Republicans now have a chance to help our nation may actually turn out to help the Democrat President.

While I was popping champagne the other night, I am now left with these thoughts and don’t know what to think. Again…for me it’s country first.


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1 posted on 11/04/2010 10:52:05 AM PDT by Conservative_Pragmatist
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

Welcome.


2 posted on 11/04/2010 10:54:21 AM PDT by i_dont_chat ("The Jihadists are coming!" "The Jihadists are coming!")
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

We can not afford to work with the dems. They are destroying this country. If you are a real conservative you would know that or are you just another troll? UHM.


3 posted on 11/04/2010 10:54:31 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

Ozone?


4 posted on 11/04/2010 10:54:52 AM PDT by Enterprise (As a disaster unfolds, a putz putts.)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

Welcome new freeper!

Have to give them some time.

Like a week to ten days.
Then start more Tea Parties.


5 posted on 11/04/2010 10:56:49 AM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

However, it’s easy to think the electorate in the center could swing right back to the other side if the Republicans fail to deliver. Or get this? Even if the Republicans DO deliver!

This will never happen. The lies, the back stabbing of the Democratic party to American people is a done deal they can’t take it back. We learn from our mistakes.
If anything, a new party will emerge and I don’t think that’s a chance the republicans want to take.

BTW...Welcome aboard! ;)


6 posted on 11/04/2010 10:57:08 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

After you pass the troll smell test, you’ll really enjoy it.

Seriously, welcome!


7 posted on 11/04/2010 10:57:19 AM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: MamaB

Lil Red Riding Hood


8 posted on 11/04/2010 10:58:45 AM PDT by Bad~Rodeo (Don't overthink common sense)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

Welcome to FR.


9 posted on 11/04/2010 10:58:53 AM PDT by American Quilter (Support FreeRepublic and donate!)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

Obama wont change his modus operendi, or direction, or policies, or divisiveness. so if thats what you are worried about, dont.

maybe if the economy comes back strong, obama will do better. thats the only thing i see that can save him


10 posted on 11/04/2010 10:59:52 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

I wasn’t popping champagne the other night. It was good news but he is still in charge.

CA, NY, OR, WA state and a few others are pretty much lost causes. If their populace does not get it now - they never will.

The idea that the economy is going to get better is delusional. People with money are sitting on it until Obama is gone. No one with an IQ above 50 will invest in the USA or build a factory here. Obama is going down the Mugabe/Zimbabwe path while the idiots watch TV and ball games.

Until he is gone - nothing will improve. People with money will sit on it or make sure it is outside the united states.

Gold and silver stocks are up 5 to 10% today.


11 posted on 11/04/2010 11:00:07 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

While we welcome new-commers, understand that we also suffer from trolls and gremlins who are malicious posters trying to provoke.

A suggestion to assist your bona-fides would be to populate your personal page so that the rest of us get a chance to know you. It also gives us some assurance that you are not a ‘troll’.

The personal page is free-form and you can click on other FReeper’s ID to see theirs and get ideas.


12 posted on 11/04/2010 11:00:15 AM PDT by SES1066 (If you don't vote in November, quit your bitchin!)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist
So the struggle I am having is this. Can we afford NOT to work with a Democrat President if it means we can help the USA? If he works WITH our guys, moves to the center, limits government spending and frees up the market and that helps our nation, then it stands a chance he could get re-elected, something I don’t want to see.

First, welcome to FR. Next, if this is your fear, sleep well at night. To begin with, Obama has already stated he has no intention of working with the GOP. He's made a few sops toward accommodation, but nothing substantive, nor will there be anything substantive. The man is a socialist ideologue and believes he's right and the GOP is wrong. He still believes the programs he's put in place with his congressional cohorts are good. That's not going to change.

Thus, he will never move toward the center. His purpose is not to govern as president but to completely transform the US into a socialist nation. And there's no way the GOP can work with that.

So, sleep well. It ain't gonna happen.

13 posted on 11/04/2010 11:00:27 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist
The key issue is spending. Trillion dollar deficits are not sustainable. We need to work with Obama to identify meaninful areas where the budget can be cut.

Now, when Obama talks about "cutting the budget" he almost always means "investing in education, healthcare, roads and bridges, and green technology). That's not cutting the budget. We can't do that anymore.

Republicans have to be willing to make cuts in some areas that we like. Democrats have to be willing to make cuts in areas that they like. If both parties will compromise and make those cuts, then the country will be better off.

But if Obama won't agree on cuts, then I see no point in talking to him. Gridlock, Baby!

14 posted on 11/04/2010 11:01:54 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: MamaB

An American person would not write - “US Republicans.”

Why would someone write that? It is not a typo and I make lots of typos.


15 posted on 11/04/2010 11:02:30 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

You heard Barry and Harry yesterday. Same idea of “compromise” as always. Agree with me and I might throw you a crumb . . . or not. Say what you will about him and I’ve said plenty, Bill Clinton is the most skilled and smartest politician I’ve seen. But Barry is too stupid and too arrogant to pull off what Clinton did after 1994.


16 posted on 11/04/2010 11:03:13 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist
However, WHAT IF Obama decides to compromise with the Republicans?

Compromise with we backwoods, moronic, racist, bible-toting, gun loving, redneck extremists?

Don't bet on it!

17 posted on 11/04/2010 11:03:13 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

barry can not compromise with Republicans because he is not wrong in his ideas (according to him). I read a quote where he said he would compromise with the exception of health care, taxes and cap’n trade.
He will not compromise, I do not care what he says today.


18 posted on 11/04/2010 11:03:25 AM PDT by svcw (If you put a crouton on a your sundae instead of a cherry, it counts as a salad.)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist
I can understand your argument--but you're missing a major piece of the puzzle.

Narcissism will not allow zer0 to compromise too much. Sure, he might--on unimportant issues. But don't look for a shift to the center.

He just can't push himself that direction.

19 posted on 11/04/2010 11:03:32 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist
Be careful about being perceived as a Concern Troll.


20 posted on 11/04/2010 11:04:11 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Karl Rove: The Republican Jimmy Carter.)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist
Contrary to Obama’s recent bleating to the Presstitues that he's willing to meet with the Republican and work things out his ideology lock will not let him.

His words are reminiscent of the abuse spouse.

Just today word is coming out that if the house doesn't do things his way he'll use extraordinary measures to go around the house.

Will he work to move center? IMHO NO!!!!

Must we keep the pressure on?

YES!!!!!!

21 posted on 11/04/2010 11:04:24 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Frantzie

Good catch


22 posted on 11/04/2010 11:04:31 AM PDT by Bad~Rodeo (Don't overthink common sense)
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To: Frantzie

hummm, Interesting catch there. Bravo!


23 posted on 11/04/2010 11:05:36 AM PDT by svcw (If you put a crouton on a your sundae instead of a cherry, it counts as a salad.)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist
The time frame for tea party goals is longer than 2 years. It is not just about stopping Obama, although that is part of it. It is also about reversing Obamacare, but it is more than that.

When the Congress and the President passed the stimulus, bailed out the banks and car companies and passed Obamacare, all against the will of the American people, folks got angry and they got scared. The tea party is about making sure that never happens again by restoring a proper Fed/State balance. That will not happen in two years.

But it is not just about stopping and reversing Obama and restoring balance to the government. I would venture to say that every tea party member would VOW to vigilantly watch the government, every day, for the rest of their lives to make sure we aren't slipping.

And not just that. I would further venture to say that each tea party supporter will not only watch but will teach their children and grandchildren to watch. We will train them up to be vigilant. We will tell them stories of stimulus and take overs and power grabs and how we almost lost our country.

But that is not all. We will train our children and grandchildren to train their children and grandchildren so that we may never face this risk again.

So, you see, this is not a two year plan. It is a long term plan and it is not just Federal, it is deep down to the local levels. The establishment politicians have no idea what they unleashed when they ignored the will of the people and tried to impose their will on the rest of us.

24 posted on 11/04/2010 11:06:36 AM PDT by Pete (29thday.org Exponential problems require exponential solutions)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist
Welcome aboard -

In all that you said, it is now up to the conservatives to continue to keep the education process going strong and make our up and coming generation aware of how much they stand to lose is progressives get their way.

The gap in our culture is created by the loss of statesmen and conservative spokes people who understand and believe in our heritage.

While patriotic conservatives like Reagan tend to ride off into the sunset, the liberals like Carter, Clinton and Obama will never leave the lime light. Their egos won't allow it. They continue to travel the nation and the world degrading our country and pushing the progressive agenda at our expense and on our taxpayer tab.

25 posted on 11/04/2010 11:06:44 AM PDT by Baynative ( 11 / 2 / 2010 !!!)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

Obama will be dropping 200 million dollars A DAY when he visits India.

I don’t think there’s any hope - none at all - of him cutting spending voluntarily.


26 posted on 11/04/2010 11:06:44 AM PDT by agere_contra (...what if we won't eat the dog food?)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

BTW, the proper thing to do, now that you’ve joined FR and posted this vanity, is to join in the discussion. We’re waiting for your responses...


27 posted on 11/04/2010 11:10:28 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: agere_contra
Obama will be dropping 200 million dollars A DAY when he visits India.

That's a year of unemployment benefits for over 131,000 people.

28 posted on 11/04/2010 11:10:37 AM PDT by Pete (29thday.org Exponential problems require exponential solutions)
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To: agere_contra

He is in Mugabe/Chavez and African dictator mode.

$200 million a day, the US Navy escort, QE 2 (money printing) - this is a poke in the eye to us.

He is MEGA flipping us off. His goal is to destroy America and he is succeeding. This is not Bill or Hillary Clinton.

This was a coup and a foreign agent - installed to destroy America and it is working.


29 posted on 11/04/2010 11:10:43 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist
So the struggle I am having is this. Can we afford NOT to work with a Democrat President if it means we can help the USA? If he works WITH our guys, moves to the center, limits government spending and frees up the market and that helps our nation, then it stands a chance he could get re-elected, something I don’t want to see.

IMHO, it is not up to US to work with him, it is him to compromise. From what I see so far is this:

Democrat position BEFORE Tuesday - extend Bush tax cuts to those under $250,000

Democrat position AFTER Tuesday - extend Bush tax cuts to those under $250,000

Democrat position BEFORE Tuesday - no way Obamacare is getting repealed

Democrat position AFTER Tuesday - no way Obamacare is getting repealed

My point is that they have already signaled their intentions. The Republicans, as usual, will have to make concessions in order for the "compromises" to pass.

The House MUST stand firm on what they want to do to improve America's situation and must be on the constant offensive not the defensive over the next two years. They MUST make public perception be that the Senate and Obama are standing in the way of making things better.
30 posted on 11/04/2010 11:11:32 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (formally known as Kerretarded....I changed my name)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

Can we afford NOT to work with a Democrat President if it means we can help the USA?

It’s lines like this that make people on this site skeptical of your motives. Only a Democrat or liberal would not have realized that after such a decisive victory it is up to the President to bend to the will of the people and not the other way around.


31 posted on 11/04/2010 11:15:29 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist
Hey noob. NO WORKING together. Elections have consequences.
32 posted on 11/04/2010 11:16:35 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Playing by the rules only works if both sides do it!)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist
If he works WITH our guys, moves to the center, limits government spending and frees up the market and that helps our nation...

I may be wrong, but I do not think Mr. Obama is psychologically capable of doing those things -- at least not for more than a couple of months. Clinton managed to pull it off, but I don't think Obama can or will.

33 posted on 11/04/2010 11:16:39 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist
“U S Republicans” is that like “U S Americans”

For the good of our country (Germany) we must compromise with Hitler. I don't think so. We won, they lost, forgit abotit.

34 posted on 11/04/2010 11:17:31 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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Conservatives CANNOT ‘work’ with “O”.

• He is an arrogant, hard-core Communist, through and through
• He is immovable on every point of his ‘agenda’
• He got where he got without once, EVER having to ‘work’ with anyone
• He has ‘supporters’ who won't tolerate his ‘working’ with us
• He does not, repeat NOT, need to ‘work’ with Conservatives OR even with dissenters in his own corner
• He has the MSM in his back pocket and can feign ‘working’ with Conservatives all he wants while making out that WE didn't work with him.

It would be a mistake to trust this administration or the crowd of flimflam characters who populate it.

Just my view.

35 posted on 11/04/2010 11:17:38 AM PDT by SMARTY ("..discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you")
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

Will Obama get rid of his czars?

Will he somehow manage to get a valid Hawaii birth certificate, since the Hawaii DOH has already indirectly confirmed that what he has now is not legally valid? Will Obama be able to undo his perjury that got him placed on ballots in the first place?

Will Obama give back GM and the Chrysler dealerships?

Will he take back his bows to every Muslim thug in the world? Will he take back his statements to the Egyptian ambassador that he was and still is a Muslim in support of the Muslim agenda (presumably worldwide sharia and the destruction of the US and Israel) - and if he takes it back will we believe it is anything but the taqiyya that he’s already self-admittedly been practicing in order to push the Muslim agenda?

Will he take back his statements that the US Constitution is flawed because it limits government, and will he undo every step along the way that he’s made to ride roughshod over the US Constitution?

Will he go back to the time when his campaign disabled the verification process for campaign contributions so we can reverse that move and suddenly see who bankrolled his campaign?

Will he enforce the border and apologize with red face to Jan Brewer and all the Arizonans who have been on the front line in the invasion of both Al Qaeda operatives and druglords who pattern themselves after the beheadings by Al Qaeda?

Will he apologize to Honduras for supporting the communist who had the election results for an election forbidden by their Constitution on his computer? Will he apologize for chiding and PUNISHING Honduras for following its own Constitution just as we should have followed our own?

Will he take back the 1.5 million dollars that he contributed to his relative, Raila Odinga - who got the support of the Muslims in that country (the same ones who went on brutal rampages at his bidding after the election) by promising to help them institute sharia and fighting US anti-terror measures? Will he give taxpayers back the millions spent to give Kenya an abortion-on-demand Constitution?

Will he gain back the respect of our allies by selling to Israel military parts and ammunition for the weaponry we sold them, that they were trusting for their defense? Will he set up a missile shield for Europe so that Iran - who now has a nuclear bomb - won’t be able to start the Armageddon they want to start in order to usher in the Twelfth Imam?

See, we are dealing with serious, serious doo-doo. After cutting off this nation’s head a band-aid applied to our little finger is not going to matter to those of us who are still awake to see what he just did to us.

These are very, very serious times. Obama’s entire life has been spent with extreme communists and Islamists - the two extremist groups bent on destroying America which just so happen to be also led by Obama’s owner, George Soros.

The only time Obama ever even used his law degree (before he lost it) was to push the CRA (threatening banks into doing subprime lending) and the Motor Voter Law (allowing electoral fraud) - which are the two main LEGAL planks of the Cloward-Piven (communist) Plan to destroy America from within.

Is Obama going to undo those too?


36 posted on 11/04/2010 11:18:03 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

You’re a conservative who had never heard of freerepublic? Obviously, you’re pretty internet literate if you figured out how to sign up and initiate your own thread for your very first post here. Gosh, you even figured out how to put the thread in the appropriate categories. That’s pretty clever...making it even more surprising that you’d never heard of FR before. Wow, good for you.

So, your conclusion, following this tsunami of a midterm victory for conservative Republicans is that we shouldn’t pop the cork on the champagne, because now we’re really screwed. Damned if we do and damned if we don’t. It’s hopeless. We are doomed.

Welcome to The Apocalypse. Welcome to Free Repulic.


37 posted on 11/04/2010 11:18:11 AM PDT by lonevoice (I can see Tuesday from my house!)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

Welcome to FR.

Starting off your free membership by posting what we call a VANITY, is considered a faux pas. However, it happens (at least lately).

FR is a great site. The most important thing to remember, is that FR is WHAT YOU MAKE IT.

We are all responsible for maintaining courtesy, respect, and an open, family rated debate.

There are rules, and although Jim Robinson and his staff do an excellent job of patrolling the posts, it is really up to us.

Your vanity post was at least interesting, and provoked some discussion. So you got a positive start.

Next time you decide to start a thread, if you use an actual media source , you will find your reception a little warmer.


38 posted on 11/04/2010 11:18:29 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

The future of this Nation is not all about Obama. Obama was, is, and will be at the beck and call of other people such as Soros and other internationalists who want the USA to go down the drain of Marxism. I don’t even exclude so called big shakers such as Builderbergers and even Rothchilds. As such compromise will not be entirely up to Obama.


39 posted on 11/04/2010 11:21:03 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

Soooo....who sent you here? Huffington? Politico? hhmmmmm?


40 posted on 11/04/2010 11:22:41 AM PDT by goodnesswins (f you don't support Obama, and the deconstruction of America: YOU are a RACIST.)
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To: SandRat
How, exactly, can a president get around:

"All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives..."
--- The Constitution of The United States, Article 1, Section 7

ALL Bills for raising revenue seems pretty much all-inclusive to me. Without the house, the president has no money.

41 posted on 11/04/2010 11:23:16 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist
Anyone who doesn't see this guy as a leftist troll is blind.

42 posted on 11/04/2010 11:23:23 AM PDT by I see my hands (How's that ballot box thing working out for you?)
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To: Frantzie
The syntax reminds me of the tech support folks I've dealt with in India.

I bet he is concerned.

43 posted on 11/04/2010 11:24:18 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: Lazamataz
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44 posted on 11/04/2010 11:24:54 AM PDT by lonevoice (I can see Tuesday from my house!)
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To: SES1066

“I felt compelled to log-up”

I found that statement to be strange.

Doesn’t mean much though.


45 posted on 11/04/2010 11:26:13 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist
If he works WITH our guys, moves to the center, limits government spending and frees up the market and that helps our nation, then it stands a chance he could get re-elected, something I don’t want to see.

Not going to happen. Compromise only makes sense when you share some overlapping goals with the other side. I cannot think of a single goal Obama or the Democrats have that I share.

46 posted on 11/04/2010 11:27:42 AM PDT by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

GO AWAY TROLL.


47 posted on 11/04/2010 11:29:11 AM PDT by Third Person
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To: WayneS

Exactly—the House of Representatives will pass the bills they choose to pass. Whether the Senate or White House choose to fall in line is their call.

What is there to negotiate?


48 posted on 11/04/2010 11:29:58 AM PDT by cgbg (No bailouts for New York and California. Let them eat debt.)
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To: T. P. Pole

If he’s in India then he has every RIGHT to be concerned.

Barack Hussein and his Merry Band of Obamanauts are headed HIS way!


49 posted on 11/04/2010 11:31:19 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

Gee, you missed the party. Welcome anyway. Let’s celebrate first, then we get down to business.


50 posted on 11/04/2010 11:32:09 AM PDT by WVNan (>)
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