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California went its own way: Strength of the Latino vote is a key factor
The Los Angeles Times ^ | November 4, 2010 | Cathleen Decker

Posted on 11/04/2010 11:23:59 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian

In one declarative night, California on Tuesday confirmed its status as a political world unto itself, zigging determinedly Democratic while most of the rest of the country zagged Republican. Voters not only restored the governor's office to Democratic hands, they may have given Democrats a sweep of statewide offices, though uncounted ballots could still shift one race.

Driving much of the success — and distancing the state from the national GOP tide, according to exit polls — was a surge in Latino voters. They made up 22% of the California voter pool, a record tally that mortally wounded many Republicans.

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California Republicans had multiple reasons for head-shaking on Wednesday. For decades, the state party has squabbled over whether success would come more easily to candidates running as conservatives or those who presented a more moderate face to the state's sizeable bloc of independent, centrist voters. This year they tried both. Senate candidate Carly Fiorina ran a firmly conservative race and Whitman took a more moderate road.

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Nationally, non-whites made up only 22% of the Tuesday electorate; in California they made up 38%. Latinos nationally represented 8% of the national electorate, just shy of a third of their power in California. Tellingly, Latinos in California had a far more negative view of the GOP than other voters — almost 3 in 4 had an unfavorable impression, to 22% favorable. Among all California voters the view of Republicans was negative, but at a closer 61% negative and 32% positive. Latinos had a strongly positive view of Democrats, 58% to 37%, whereas all voters were closely split, 49% to 45%.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2010elections; 2010elections2010; 2012midterms; ca2012; california; elections; latinos; latinovote
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Back in Ronald Reagan's day, the Latino vote in California was very competitive between Ds & Rs; Mexican-Americans tend to be socially conservative, if economically liberal. What changed everything was Pete Wilson's support for the anti-illegal immigrant Proposition 187 in 1994; that made Mexican-Americans (even the ones whose families had been in California for decades) turn on the Republicans. California elections have never been the same since then.
1 posted on 11/04/2010 11:24:06 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian
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Not Latino, rather MEXICAN voters.....


2 posted on 11/04/2010 11:25:30 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: Lurking Libertarian

California slit its own throat.


3 posted on 11/04/2010 11:28:12 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

All those Mexican voters can line up outside Boxer’s and Brown’s office for handouts when all the middle class whites have left California....


4 posted on 11/04/2010 11:30:06 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Cali went it’s own way...yeah right.....DON’T BOTHER COMING TO THE REST OF US FOR A BAILOUT.


5 posted on 11/04/2010 11:30:11 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

This state is doomed.


6 posted on 11/04/2010 11:31:06 AM PDT by Argus
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To: Lurking Libertarian

What’s the saying — as goes Mexico, so goes California. Can’t wait for the beheadings and law by narcogopoly.


7 posted on 11/04/2010 11:31:09 AM PDT by InternetTuffGuy
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To: Lurking Libertarian

This state is doomed.


8 posted on 11/04/2010 11:31:16 AM PDT by Argus
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To: Lurking Libertarian

California’s got a heap of electoral votes, it will remain a major contributor to the Democrat effort to take this country down.


9 posted on 11/04/2010 11:33:07 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Save the liver!)
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To: Marty62
DON’T BOTHER COMING TO THE REST OF US FOR A BAILOUT.

Yep, spending bills have to originate in the House - as in newly-GOP House. Jerry Brown will have to bail out the boat by himself.

10 posted on 11/04/2010 11:33:07 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Lurking Libertarian
What changed everything was Pete Wilson's support for the anti-illegal immigrant Proposition 187 in 1994;

Yes, that's the conventional wisdom, I agree, but there's very little evidence to support it, and quite a bit of evidence that isn't consistent with it.

For example, opposition to 187 didn't seem to help the GOP candidate in 1998.

11 posted on 11/04/2010 11:33:28 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: Lurking Libertarian

At this rate, CA will be a third-world cesspool in a decade.


12 posted on 11/04/2010 11:33:38 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Forcing one person to pay for the irresponsibility of another is NOT social justice.)
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To: Argus

“This state is doomed.”

That’s English for “AZTLAN.”


13 posted on 11/04/2010 11:35:20 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Save the liver!)
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To: InternetTuffGuy

The Hispanic vote nationally is 65 to 70% Democrat. This is an ominous sign for futre elections. We only have two or three election cycles to somehow remedy this — it will not be remedied by becoming Democrat Lite.

Something big will have to be done to blunt the Democratic faction. My suggestion is to cripple the unions to the point they have no real political power.


14 posted on 11/04/2010 11:35:23 AM PDT by SarahPalin2012
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To: InternetTuffGuy

Maybe we could build a wall around California. They need to decide whether they are US or Mexico, and as long as some good friends get out first I wouldn’t mind a bit if California became part of Mexico right before dropping into the sea.

I know that’s a terrible thing to say. Not sure if I really mean it intellectually, but it’s what I’m feeling right now. What I really want is for them to get right in the head, but if the past 2 years haven’t been a big enough kick in the pants then anything that could wake them up would most likely kill them as well.


15 posted on 11/04/2010 11:36:08 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
In one declarative night, California on Tuesday confirmed its status as a political world unto itself, zigging determinedly Democratic while most of the rest of the country zagged Republican.

Which is precisely why CA is destined to fail. They live in their own fantasy world, completely divorced from reality.

16 posted on 11/04/2010 11:36:22 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
I'd also add that the proportion of California Latinos voting Republican, either in statewide races or presidential contests, did not significantly change after 1992, flatly contradicting your prop-187-is-to-blame hypothesis.
17 posted on 11/04/2010 11:36:22 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Nathan Bedford's maxim: all politics America is not local but ultimately racial.


18 posted on 11/04/2010 11:38:24 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: SarahPalin2012
The Hispanic vote nationally is 65 to 70% Democrat.

Yup, and that percentage has been relatively stable over the last 30 years.

19 posted on 11/04/2010 11:38:40 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Pete Wilson was correct in pushing that Illegal Alien proposition.

What the new congress needs to remember NO BAILOUTS for California and New York. Let them stew in the stew of their own making. For them to forget that is at their peril!

20 posted on 11/04/2010 11:40:17 AM PDT by Old Badger (boy do opportunities abound everywhere for Real Conservatives!)
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We only have two or three election cycles to somehow remedy this

There is no "fix" to this issue. As long as politicians promise to take from producers and give to those who do not deserve the "wealth redistribution", those who are on the receiving end of such "charity" will continue to vote for those promising them handouts. It is not a situation that will ever be fixed via the voting booth.

It's not like history hasn't shown us what will eventually come to pass in this situation. How will this go around be any different from past examples?
21 posted on 11/04/2010 11:41:14 AM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
ca is beyond the point of no return. one demographic is fleeing the state and another is flooding in. the trend is clear and it won't be reversed. it is hard to distinguish larger and larger areas of ca from mexico.
22 posted on 11/04/2010 11:41:30 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

This is the future for more and more states if conservatives do not find a way to win much higher percentages of at least some minority voters.

There are just not enough white people to overcome overwhelmingly losing every minority voting block.

Demographics are moving very quickly against us. Hopefully someone like Rubio can be a candidate for Pres or VP in 2012. That might really shift things and give us a better opportunity in some parts of the country.


23 posted on 11/04/2010 11:43:45 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Lurking Libertarian
What can you expect? The Latinos are almost the majority population in Commufornia. They will be in the next decade. They are like the Muslims. Can't beat us militarily. They will just out populate us.
24 posted on 11/04/2010 11:44:06 AM PDT by animal172 (Where are you America?)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Would those be the government-teat-sucking illegal immigrant Latino voters in California?

“the problem with socialism is that eventually, the socialists will run out of other peoples’ money.”

-The Great Margaret Thatcher.

Oh, and just wait till all the emergency rooms in CA close.. IT IS COMING.


25 posted on 11/04/2010 11:45:41 AM PDT by Reagan69 (Let me know when those health insurance premiums go down.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

“We are going to take California from you just like you took it from us.” -a Mexican man told me one day.


26 posted on 11/04/2010 11:47:37 AM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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It’s the latino family values voters!


27 posted on 11/04/2010 11:49:40 AM PDT by notaliberal
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Here's a good article debunking with hard data the 187-is-to-blame conventional wisdom.
28 posted on 11/04/2010 11:49:54 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: Lurking Libertarian
In Ronald Reagan's days there weren't that many Latinos compared with today. Also, then the majority of them weren't paid 300% pay to go get a government job or allowed 330% of welfare handouts compared to the hand outs in other states.

California is has the lower classes hands in everyone else's wallet and we are sinking. Many of these newer citizens have no loyalty to the United States IMO because they can step over a line miles off to go home, so there is no reason to not try and confiscate the state treasury.

This state is both a Democrat's wet dream and a broke joke.

29 posted on 11/04/2010 11:50:53 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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“We are going to take California from you just like you took it from us.” -a Mexican man told me one day.

Great! They can turn California into the hell-hole of Mexico that they escaped from.

30 posted on 11/04/2010 11:52:23 AM PDT by stripes1776
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Large percentages of the Latino vote will do for the rest of the country what they are doing for California. If Hispanic families in California can’t understand the economic and cultural damage illegals are having on their state, to their own families, it’s unreasonable to expect things to go differently elsewhere.

Amnesty isn’t the answer. It’s better to follow Jan Brewer’s example in Arizona.


31 posted on 11/04/2010 11:53:50 AM PDT by pallis
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
One of the not so subtle tricks of the Liberal Media is to classify Illegal Immigrants as simply Immigrants. Mexicans here legally are not a problem. Mexicans who are here Illegally are a huge problem. For those who live in California, the suggestion that Latinos accounted for only 22% of the vote is laughable.

Brown was running fairly close to Whitman throughout the campaign. Yet, he trounced Whitman. Now, did anyone else happen to question Brown's statement a couple of weeks prior to the election on his stance that children of Illegal Immigrants should be provided a free college education? Just whom was that statement aimed at and why would Brown make such a statement?

The answer certainly appears obvious.

32 posted on 11/04/2010 11:55:56 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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Back in Reagan's day, there were far fewer Latinos voting than today. The rise of Latinos dependent upon government handouts has risen exponentially. Add the fact that 50% of Latinos are born out of wedlock and you have a irreversible trend of parasitism and crime.

Mexifornia is coming soon to America.

33 posted on 11/04/2010 11:57:28 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: butterdezillion

The reality is, the California disease is viral and contagious. As liberal policies fail, liberals who don’t get it leave the state, blaming the failure on individual performance, or lack of cooperation from conservatives, or some other wholly inadequate reason. These infected cells arrive at other relatively healthy states with full voting rights, and proceed to push the new host state ever more in a liberal direction, eventually replicating the failure there. If we surrender California to the left, we expose ourselves to greater infection risk than if we remained in the fight to win it back. We should not abandon California.


34 posted on 11/04/2010 11:57:36 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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Back in Ronald Reagan's day, the Latino vote in California was very competitive between Ds & Rs

Yep. In fact, the GOP Presidential nominee won CA in '68, '72, '76, '80, '84, and '88. ...with either majority or pretty evenly divided Latino support. Seem when most Latino (mostly Mexican) families first get here their values are traditional/conservative, but within a generation or two they become infected by liberal ideology, both fiscal and social.

35 posted on 11/04/2010 11:58:09 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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Would those be the government-teat-sucking illegal immigrant Latino voters in California?

Actually, legals are much more likely to suck the teat than illegals. Asside taking emergency room care and skipping out on the bill, as well as getting free schooling for their kids, there aren't many government programs illegals can access. On the other hand, poor legal immigrants are eligible for nearly all state and federal welfare programs.

That's why low skill legal immigrants of all races are a much, much bigger burden on the taxpayer and a much bigger problem for the GOP in the long-term.

That's why changing our legal immigration policy is just as important as stopping illegal immigration under control.

36 posted on 11/04/2010 11:58:57 AM PDT by curiosity
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In fact, the GOP Presidential nominee won CA in '68, '72, '76, '80, '84, and '88. ...with either majority or pretty evenly divided Latino support.

Not true. Check your facts.

37 posted on 11/04/2010 11:59:44 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: Lurking Libertarian; Maverick68; Psycho_Bunny; AngelesCrestHighway; Marty62; Argus; ...
Hispanic Family Values?

"Hispanic immigrants bring near–Third World levels of fertility to America, coupled with what were once thought to be First World levels of illegitimacy. (In fact, family breakdown is higher in many Hispanic countries than here.) Nearly half of the children born to Hispanic mothers in the U.S. are born out of wedlock, a proportion that has been increasing rapidly with no signs of slowing down."
Source

The "Prop 187 killed the California GOP" narrative is first based upon a misconceived view of the Republican Party's historic strength in California.

Source

38 posted on 11/04/2010 12:00:41 PM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids and political correctness.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
California slit its own throat.

This what the Bush and Rove "comprehensive" immigration reform folks want to import nationwide.

What fools they are.

39 posted on 11/04/2010 12:01:13 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Californians voted themselves the double whammy restoring a free spending liberal to the governorship and voting yes in no longer requiring a 2/3 legislative majority to approve the budget only a simple majority. Basically, the bankrupt state voted to dig its own grave. The House must kill all bills that try to backdoor bailout the state. Hopefully, they let it go into default so they learn what the word consequences means.The only way the Feds should agree to guarantee their bonds is if they turn over the fiscal management of the state from the Governor and legislature to an outside body much like NYC had to do in the 70s to clean up their act.


40 posted on 11/04/2010 12:01:13 PM PDT by chuckee
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Lurking Libertarian writes:

“Mexican-Americans tend to be socially conservative, if economically liberal.”

Socially conservative?

What bunk!

California-Mexicans have the highest illegitimate birth rate in the state.

California-Mexicans have the worst school drop out rate in the state.

The incarceration rate for California-Mexicans is only a fraction behind the incarceration rate for California-Blacks.

California-Mexicans are Hard Left, on every issue, all the time.

California-Mexicans vote 80% for Democrats, all the time.

Does anyone here actually believe the Democratic Party would support Immigration Amnesty if they thought California-Mexicans could be converted to Republicans?


41 posted on 11/04/2010 12:02:13 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: curiosity

CA’s electoral block did indeed go to the GOP Presidential nominee from ‘68 to ‘88.


42 posted on 11/04/2010 12:05:37 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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You don’t have to point out to me the MYTH of “Hispanic” family values. I live in Texas.

Only long time generational Latino’s etc have embraced the American Values system. It’s the illegals and sundry low lifes that have come to the conclusion that Americans will allow them to break the LAW at will and get by with it.


43 posted on 11/04/2010 12:05:47 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Query: Can the rest of the United States secede from California?
Query: When is that next big earthquake expected out there?
Query: Is it too soon to officially recognize it as Mexifornia?
Query: Will we allow Mexifornians to freely immigrate to the other 49 states when Mexifornia sinks under the mudslide of corruption, drug wars, murder and violence that is coming?
Query: Will Mexifornians one day do the jobs Americans don’t want to do?

Sadly, these are not really joke questions.


44 posted on 11/04/2010 12:10:03 PM PDT by JewishRighter ( Multiculturalism is killing us.)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Is there ever a point at which quarantine is the only effective option?


45 posted on 11/04/2010 12:13:33 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: zeestephen

Proposition 8, which banned same-sex marriage in California, passed only because of the Latino vote.


46 posted on 11/04/2010 12:20:45 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: JewishRighter

I believe that any city which labels itself as a sanctuary from the rule of law ceases to be part of the United States of America. Anybody who hosts an invasion of the US is itself a declared enemy of the rest of the US. If some town in Nebraska allowed Fidel Castro to have a military base in their town I would consider that town to have declared war against the rest of Nebraska and the US. In strategic terms this is very similar.

If the Department of Injustice declares the US to be a sanctuary from the laws of this nation, the Department of Injustice itself has declared war on this nation.

So now what do we do, now that the coup that illegally claimed the White House has declared war on the rest of the country?


47 posted on 11/04/2010 12:23:55 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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48 posted on 11/04/2010 12:28:40 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Lurk writes:

“Proposition 8, which banned same-sex marriage in California, passed only because of the Latino vote.”

Wrong!

Prop 8 passed because Latinos AND Blacks voted overwhelmingly for it.

What's your next conclusion?

California-Blacks are “socially conservative,” too?

Gimme a break!

California-Blacks and California-Latinos are notoriously bigoted against homosexuals.

49 posted on 11/04/2010 12:29:22 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Pox
"There is no "fix" to this issue. As long as politicians promise to take from producers and give to those who do not deserve the "wealth redistribution", those who are on the receiving end of such "charity" will continue to vote for those promising them handouts. It is not a situation that will ever be fixed via the voting booth."

BINGO!


50 posted on 11/04/2010 12:29:48 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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