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The danger of new 'green' light bulbs (Can the ban be lifted now - for the children?)
Colorado Connection ^ | 11/04/10 | Abbie Burke

Posted on 11/05/2010 8:56:12 AM PDT by Libloather

The danger of new 'green' light bulbs
by Abbie Burke
Posted: 11.04.2010 at 2:20 PM

COLORADO SPRINGS, COLO. -- They burn brighter, longer, and use less energy. But the squiggly looking light bulbs known as CFLs (compact fluorescent light bulbs) light up using mercury, a potentially dangerous element.

Switching out old light bulbs to the new CFLs is one of the easiest ways to go green. But what is done with the CFLs after they burn out is perhaps even more important for the environment.

"You don't want that mercury ending up in the landfill, which could then end up getting into the ground and into the ground water," said Melodee Gordon, conservation specialist with Colorado Springs Utilities.

According to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) exposure to mercury can cause damage to the brain, heart, kidneys and lungs.

When put into a landfill the EPA says mercury can potentially find its way into streams and lakes, where fish and shellfish can change it into methyl mercury, a highly toxic form, which can then be ingested by humans.

So what should be done with mercury containing CFLs?

(Excerpt) Read more at coloradoconnection.com ...


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I'm getting tired of hoarding the good kind.
1 posted on 11/05/2010 8:56:18 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

We just throw the old CFLs out in the pig sty...pigs’ll eat anything.


2 posted on 11/05/2010 8:59:09 AM PDT by moovova
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To: Libloather

I won’t have the mercury filled kind in my house. What do you do if one of them is broken - now you have a hazardous waste situation right in your home. I have grandkids, dogs and cats I don’t want poisened.

Heaven help us - with all our know how surely we can find a better way.


3 posted on 11/05/2010 8:59:13 AM PDT by Roses0508
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To: Libloather

Yet another example of how the law of unintended consequences will bite you in the ass every time.


4 posted on 11/05/2010 8:59:18 AM PDT by onona (dbada)
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To: Libloather

They burn brighter, longer, and use less energy.

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The first two claims are manifest lies. I assume the third claim is as well.


5 posted on 11/05/2010 8:59:42 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are going to punish our enemies, get in their faces and punch back twice as hard.)
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To: Libloather
The CFLs are off shoring American jobs to China.

Thanks to the Democrats


6 posted on 11/05/2010 9:01:45 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Libloather

No they are not brighter. After dad died we had to replace all of his CFL’s because it was like living in a cave with candle light. We refuse to use them in our own home - period.


7 posted on 11/05/2010 9:01:57 AM PDT by Pilated
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To: Libloather

First of all, for the love of God, don’t EVER break one.

Even more so, don’t break and casually clean up -4- of them.

Having 10 times the “normal levels” of mercury in your body is NOT FUN.

I got lucky...my levels were “low enough” not to require medical detoxification but using natural methods to flush it out feels worse than just leaving it in.

If it hit me this hard with “low level poisoning” as an adult, imagine what a broken bulb is gonna do to a little kid.

Ban the damn things.


8 posted on 11/05/2010 9:03:21 AM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep......the clowns will eat me.)
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To: Roses0508
Isn't it funny how hypothetical dangers from DDT, CFCs and others are hyped up, but when something has the “green” label on it suddenly the little bit of Mercury isn't so bad? lol
9 posted on 11/05/2010 9:05:32 AM PDT by Red6 (IMHO)
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To: Psalm 144
“They burn brighter, longer, and use less energy.

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The first two claims are manifest lies. I assume the third claim is as well.”

No, actually it's true, but with an * after it. They are essentially round fluorescent light bulbs and have the same characteristics. If you turn them ON and leave them ON for long periods, they use considerably less than incandescents. It you turn them ON and OFF frequently, they use more.

That's why they make no sense in bathrooms, closets or other places that are only lit occasionally (that's why you won't find them in those places in our house).

10 posted on 11/05/2010 9:07:20 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: onona

Does anyone have any idea how the “batteries “in the electric cars will be disposed of?

Batteries are not enviro friendly are they?


11 posted on 11/05/2010 9:08:33 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: Roses0508

One literally exploded right over a whole basket of clean laundry in my upstairs bathroom.

Knowing no better, I just picked up the pieces and rewashed the clothes.

Then I put them [still contaminated] in the drier which blew the poison dust all over the place.

Getting it out of you is not pleasant or easy.

The only “bright side” is that I pretty much exclusively use the top floor of the house.

Hubby’s bathroom and clothes are downstairs and the dogs never go up there.

I got it all.

But, better me than them.


12 posted on 11/05/2010 9:09:28 AM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep......the clowns will eat me.)
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To: Salamander

That’s odd. I’ve broken one before, cleaned it up and that was that. Never bothered me one bit.

Our recycling center takes them and I save them and drop them off as needed.

Most of the lights in our house are now CFLs with a few exceptions. They don’t bother me one bit. As soon as LEDs come down in price I will switch to those.


13 posted on 11/05/2010 9:10:54 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: Marty62

I’m sure that battery “reclamation” will be someone’s cottage industry, supported by our tax dollars to keep things green.

I did not know that about the whole on off thing about the bubs.

And they do suck from a lighting perspective. It is like living in a cave.

Geez.


14 posted on 11/05/2010 9:12:21 AM PDT by onona (dbada)
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To: Libloather
Oh for heaven's sake. We all survived amalgam fillings, glass thermometers. How did we manage when they broke and mercury scattered into tiny beads to be swept up. It's a good thing we now know it will poison us. Soon half of us will be dead anyway with or without the mercury. Besides how many light bulbs do you have to ingest to cause damage? Geesh!
15 posted on 11/05/2010 9:13:38 AM PDT by lula ( If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of progress?)
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To: Red6; Mrs. B.S. Roberts

Something I don’t understand. When using my digital camera in a house lit with these “GREEN” bulbs I noticed the view screen flickering steadily. As I turned the camera was pointing out the front window and the picture steadied up. Turning back the flickering came back. I’d heard some people react badly to rapidly flickering light...is that going to be a “unexpected consequence” to this idiocy??


16 posted on 11/05/2010 9:14:25 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf ( NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: Peter from Rutland

Have you been tested for mercury since then?

I’ve cleaned up 4 and it’s cumulative.

Hopefully, you’ll stay lucky.


17 posted on 11/05/2010 9:14:34 AM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep......the clowns will eat me.)
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To: Libloather

The CFL’s don’t last as long as claimed. When used in certain kinds of fixtures or outside, they last much less than we were led to believe. Also, when they burn out, there is sometimes a spark and a pop, possibly leading to a fire.

The congress didn’t care about all that. All they cared about was controlling one more product.


18 posted on 11/05/2010 9:19:05 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: Psalm 144

They do burn brighter per watt, but typcially people will use lower watt “green” light bulbs in the same fixture to get the same amount of light they got with the old style bulbs. I presume they do use less energy, as that claim could easily be proven or disproven.

In my experience they don’t last longer than the old ones, are at least not nearly as long as the Greenists try to claim.

I am stocking up on the old bulbs.


19 posted on 11/05/2010 9:21:00 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: All

We switched from the regulars to the ‘twisty’ bulbs. I personally like them. I’m probably going to get a bunch of hater feedback, but oh well.
I do know they use less energy, and they are as bright as the regular bulbs, but they are kind of dim when you first turn them on. I like the fact they do not get hot.
I’ve never broken one myself, but, seriously, IMHO if that’s the absolute worst thing you’re exposed to in your life, consider yourself lucky.
I’m saying this in the logic that you will not be exposed to the broken bulbs day in and day out, year after year. IMO prescription drugs, household chemicals, gas fumes when you’re filling up your car, etc etc...pose more of a risk because you’re exposed to them more often. I mean, how many bulbs do you break a year? I think in my whole life I’ve broken MAYBE 5 light bulbs.
So there’s my input.


20 posted on 11/05/2010 9:22:33 AM PDT by ThePatrioticArtist (Where's your sense of humor?)
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To: Libloather; freekitty; T.L.Sink; unkus; FlingWingFlyer; MamaDearest; blackbart.223; BossLady; ...

I believe these garbage “Liberal” light bulbs with their curly design were designed with Liberals in mind. Liberals can plug or screw them where the sun don’t shine. What do you think? Made by Liberals for Liberals!


21 posted on 11/05/2010 9:22:38 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: lula

It’s the vapor, not the beads that cause the problem. If it is immediately and properly cleaned up...most people will have no adverse reaction.


22 posted on 11/05/2010 9:23:42 AM PDT by EBH
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To: lula

I agree! (I guess I was typing when you were replying! :) )


23 posted on 11/05/2010 9:24:00 AM PDT by ThePatrioticArtist (Where's your sense of humor?)
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To: Libloather

I like incandescents. Just enough heat to help my yogurt set.


24 posted on 11/05/2010 9:25:53 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (B-b-b-b-baby!)
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To: ThePatrioticArtist
I do know they use less energy, and they are as bright as the regular bulbs
How do you know? Do you have links to some reliable sources?
25 posted on 11/05/2010 9:28:00 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Libloather
This is ridiculous.

First of all, I don't use the spaghetti bulbs. The light is harsh and not very bright.

I think this is a product of a shrewd lobbyest who convinced congress of the "green" value of these stupid bulbs and got them to ban regular light bulbs.

Sort of like the guy who invented the new 'refrigerant' that wouldn't go anywhere because everyone was using freon, so he lobbied the greenjeans faction of Congress and got freon banned.

It's from the obama school of marketing, if your product is a dud and won't sell, get congress to outlaw your competitor's product. Obama does that with his opponents, he can't win on principle and issues, so he digs dirt and gets his opponent disqualified, like when he ran for senator.

My power company left me two spaghetti bulbs on the porch the other day - hey, they're going "green". I tossed them into the trash and off to the landfill they went...unopened.

It's nanny-state, payoff, legislation with absolutely no more basis in fact than goofygore's global warming.

We've got to start wising up to these frauds being flung onto the American people. It's just dirty politics.

But then, no one has the guts to do that, do they?
26 posted on 11/05/2010 9:30:32 AM PDT by FrankR (REPEAL Obamacare, or we'll vote you outta' there....)
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To: EBH

FWIW:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72133


27 posted on 11/05/2010 9:30:37 AM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep......the clowns will eat me.)
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To: oh8eleven

My electric bill! I wanted to see if it would go down after we switched to all twisties. But I’m not going to send that to you. If my answer is not good enough for you, then hard cheese!


28 posted on 11/05/2010 9:31:08 AM PDT by ThePatrioticArtist (Where's your sense of humor?)
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To: Libloather

A few questions: why the sudden urgency about the dangers of mercury in CFL’s? For as long as I can remember, flourescent tubes have been used by the billions in shops and businesses across the country. Don’t Flourescent tubes have mercury in them? What happens to them after they burn out? Don’t they go into landfills? Where’s the concern over that?

Also, when they rate the cost savings of CFL’s, are they rating just the CFL lamp itself, or are they including the juice that the electronics in the bulb’s base require to get the bulb to work?


29 posted on 11/05/2010 9:31:19 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (If the GOP reaches across the aisle, we're gonna chop off their hands.)
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To: Peter from Rutland

I know people who have/had mercury poisoning. It doesn’t take much exposure and it creeps up very slowly. You may not notice the symptoms but other probably will. Forgetfulness and cognitive deficit are a couple of the symptoms.

In short, exposure to mercury could cause you to become as dumb as a doorknob over time and not notice. It affects your nervous system and brain. I don’t believe there is any way to de-toxify other than wait many years for you body to flush it out.


30 posted on 11/05/2010 9:31:50 AM PDT by balls
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To: Libloather

Lets ban them and go back to whale oil lamps and candles.


31 posted on 11/05/2010 9:34:58 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: oh8eleven

We’ve had them for years in every socket and our light bill has actually increased.

I put 4 of the 150W daylight equivalents in a fixture over my art work area and wound up putting back the 150W daylight incandescents.

Not only were they not “daylight equivalent” they were markedly dimmer.

This is anecdotal but real life experience is often a better judge than “scientific tests”.


32 posted on 11/05/2010 9:37:45 AM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep......the clowns will eat me.)
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To: ThePatrioticArtist

I have no problem with CFL bulbs. I personally don’t use them and probably never will. My objection is with the government mandating the usage of one type of bulb over the other.

If they are better or worse then let the free market and consumer’s decide.


33 posted on 11/05/2010 9:38:43 AM PDT by OneRatToGo
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To: balls

So is agonizing neurological leg pain.

There are things you can do to hasten its departure.

Drinking LOTS of straight, unsweetened green tea, eating the disgusting herb cilantro, *lots* of magnesium supplements, “sweating it out” [very miserable experience] and hydrating yourself silly.

I dropped mine 2 points in a month using just those things.

The hard part is maintaining a consistent, constant flushing...if you get it “moving” and then lapse with the herbal jazz, [because you “forgot”] it just redeposits elsewhere.

I learned that the hard way.

I spent 2 weeks where I could barely walk because my legs just didn’t “work right” and hurt like unholy hell.

The unbelievable, mind-numbing fatigue was definitely the worst part of it for me.

Now everything sits lined up on the top shelf of the fridge where I can’t “forget” it if I try.....:)


35 posted on 11/05/2010 9:49:57 AM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep......the clowns will eat me.)
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To: Salamander
We’ve had them for years in every socket and our light bill has actually increased.
You have to know they don't perform as advertised because they're pushed by Libs.
EVERYTHING Libs support is a lie whether it's a simple light bulb, a "water saving" toilet, wind turbines, global warming, etc., etc., etc.
36 posted on 11/05/2010 9:52:06 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Libloather

What is really sick is that they have a tax-payer funded program for greenies to go door to door and hand them out, and if you aren’t home they just stick them on your doorknob. I got one and then the guy came back and I told him off for putting hazardous materials on my doorknob. We got into a heavy debate. He claimed that I had to drive the used up bulbs to the recycle center and I told him he is nuts and that I am not driving them anywhere.

To simply have everyone switch over to these CFLs is another kneejerk reaction by greenies without weighing out the consequences of their actions. In ten to twenty years we will be hearing about all of the dangers to the earth caused by having trillions of these things improperly disposed of.


37 posted on 11/05/2010 9:54:51 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: oh8eleven

I’ve got a ‘water saving’ toilet.

Thank God I also have a good well with unlimited amounts of water....LOL

[can I even buy a “normal” toilet anymore?!? this one is utterly useless]


38 posted on 11/05/2010 9:55:49 AM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep......the clowns will eat me.)
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To: lula

Agreed...florescent lights have been around a long time. I’ve cleaned up after hundreds if not thousands!!!


39 posted on 11/05/2010 9:55:53 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Libloather

Live in a city where the leadership kowtows to environazis? Go to your next council meeting and DEMAND that all city-run holiday lighting this winter be with CFL bulbs, not incandescent bulbs and watch these hypocrites run for cover.

DEMAND CFL holiday lights or NO holiday lights! And watch them squirm. And then tell them if they won’t even enforce this for their own civic displays, how DARE they demand it of us in our homes.


40 posted on 11/05/2010 9:57:00 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: Salamander

Check the used furniture and appliance places..also ask around for a plumber that might have one. Another thing I do is adjust the water level up as far as possible.


41 posted on 11/05/2010 9:58:36 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Salamander
can I even buy a “normal” toilet anymore?
Not in the US via the usual sources (Lowes, Home Depot) but a few years ago you could still get them in Canada.
Given that, and the fact that many people buy their prescription drugs from Canada, maybe we'll be buying our light bulbs there too.
42 posted on 11/05/2010 10:00:08 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: lula

“How did we manage when they broke and mercury scattered into tiny beads to be swept up.(?).

We played with it. It made such cool little balls, and if you put in on a piece of paper it went skittering around all over the place. Kids today are deprived of the wholesome good fun of playing with things like liquid mercury, so they play with things like satanically-inspired video games, which is one of the reasons they grow up to be maladjusted homicidal maniacs.


43 posted on 11/05/2010 10:05:54 AM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: OrangeHoof

I’m still waiting for the first act of disobedience where a few people rush into Council chambers and smash CFL bulbs just to watch the commielibs freak out. What will the protesters be charged with? Attempted murder?


44 posted on 11/05/2010 10:08:22 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: lula
--you understand--one of the small delights of my childhood was playing with mercury when a thermometer was broken-

-it happened at a one-room school in Wisconsin--we rolled the mercury around in our hands, then somebody lucky enough to have pennies made them look "silver" temporarily---

45 posted on 11/05/2010 10:13:46 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Salamander

I’ve broken those crappy things more than once and I don’t follow the safety procedures and it hasn’t hurt me yet. Once when I was changing one of the things it broke right in my face and the contents went in my mouth and nose, they break to darn easy.Did you actually get sick or did someone just advise you to get detoxed?I detest those lousy pieces of garbage. Won’t have ‘em at home but my boss is certain they save energy.That said every time one of them breaks or goes out I ignore him and put a regular bulb in. Can’t stand the things they’re so dim they make my eyes hurt.


46 posted on 11/05/2010 10:27:48 AM PDT by sanjoaquinvalley (Longtime Lady Lurker)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

The flickering of CFLs drives me bonkers, gives me a headache every time, not to mention the high pitched noise they make. I have stockpiled the incandescants until sanity returns to this country.


47 posted on 11/05/2010 10:32:28 AM PDT by Vor Lady
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To: ThePatrioticArtist

You obviously don’t have small children/grandchildren or pets. Or the fumble fingers of old age. We can break five in a week if it’s the right week.


48 posted on 11/05/2010 10:35:23 AM PDT by Vor Lady
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To: Psalm 144
They burn brighter, longer, and use less energy.

The first claim is debatable. The second claim is correct, as is the third.

49 posted on 11/05/2010 10:39:18 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: balls

I had a girlfriend who got sick over a several month period. She was hospitalized four times before they did exploratory surgery only to discover nothing. After the surgery she found mercury beads in the back of the toilet. Turns out the mercury was in the water tower that fed her neighborhood. The AF had to move all the people out of those houses because they had to close that water tower. It would be interesting to know how many people had effects from that water before she got sick and they made the connection.


50 posted on 11/05/2010 10:42:36 AM PDT by Vor Lady
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