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Labor Sec: Keeping People on Unemployment for Almost Two Years is Gov Moral Obligation
THE BLAZE ^ | 11/5/2010

Posted on 11/05/2010 1:00:51 PM PDT by Pacothecat

“Spread the Recovery” Labor Sec: Keeping People on Unemployment for Almost Two Years is Gov Moral Obligation

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KEYWORDS: 10percentunemployed; churchandstate; obamalegacy; obamaonreligion; payola; redistribution; starkravingsocialism; unemployment
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1 posted on 11/05/2010 1:00:53 PM PDT by Pacothecat
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To: Pacothecat

There are no civil words to describe the despicable nature of this regime.


2 posted on 11/05/2010 1:05:26 PM PDT by Shady (God Bless the United States of America...and your gift of LIBERTY to all!)
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To: Pacothecat

Ridiculous.

After 90 days, they should have only the option to take a lesser job with the gov’t paying the difference between that paycheck and the former unemployment check.

To the extent that recalls to a former job are protected, those protections should continue for a specified period of time.

Really, though, if someone is an excellent worker, then they’ll get called back. Their name will be on someone’s list with a bullet.


3 posted on 11/05/2010 1:05:39 PM PDT by xzins (Freep-a-thon--Anyone can do a min of $10, OR you must believe in welfare, cause someone pays for you)
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To: Pacothecat

Only if you live under a communist government.


4 posted on 11/05/2010 1:10:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Pacothecat

NO Bitch, the MORAL obligation is for the Government to create a Business climate where UE is NOT needed.

I am sick to death of Dummies and their minions.


5 posted on 11/05/2010 1:10:46 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: Pacothecat

I’m facing unemployment in a couple months, and I think this is irresponsible.


6 posted on 11/05/2010 1:11:52 PM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Pacothecat

The moral thing to do would be for the Obama regime to get out of the way and quit passing job killing bills.

Nothing about this regime is moral. Nothing.


7 posted on 11/05/2010 1:15:16 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Pacothecat

I thought you couldn’t legislate morality.

This is requiring citizens to tithe to Obama’s particular system of Christianity. He himself invoked the “my brother’s keeper” line (misattibuting it to Jesus).


8 posted on 11/05/2010 1:16:43 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: Pacothecat; wagglebee

Mothers have a moral obligation to NOT abort their babies.


9 posted on 11/05/2010 1:17:30 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: Pacothecat
NO, the governments moral obligation is to get the hell out of the way, quit regulating and taxing our jobs offshore, and let the private sector run the markets and the economy. Then there would be plenty of jobs and unemployment would be an emergency stopgap program and a lot less would be would be needed.

The Government's "moral obligation" is infrastructure and security...you be nice and we'll loan you the money to take care of those two things...personally, I think the states can do it better.


10 posted on 11/05/2010 1:26:13 PM PDT by FrankR (REPEAL Obamacare, or we'll vote you outta' there....)
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To: xzins
After 90 days, they should have only the option to take a lesser job with the gov’t paying the difference between that paycheck and the former unemployment check.

Uh...no.

11 posted on 11/05/2010 1:27:08 PM PDT by EBH
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To: Pacothecat

Allowing people to suck off the government tit is one of the worst crimes against humanity. It does nothing but destroy the will and freedom endowed by our creator to us.


12 posted on 11/05/2010 1:30:30 PM PDT by vpintheak (Obama sez I'm an enemy and I will be punished. My Saviour has overcome the world.)
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To: EBH

It would cost less. Now we pay 100% of the unemployment check.

This way the gov’t would be paying 50% or less, the person would be working, and the possibility of moving up in the new organization would reduce the payment amount even more.

Of course, one alternative is to pay zero unemployment whatsoever. A purist could go that direction and still have an effective argument.


13 posted on 11/05/2010 1:30:34 PM PDT by xzins (Freep-a-thon--Anyone can do a min of $10, OR you must believe in welfare, cause someone pays for you)
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To: vpintheak

FORCING .”.people to suck off the government tit is one of the worst crimes against humanity. It does nothing but destroy the will and freedom endowed by our creator to us.”

THERE FIXED IT.


14 posted on 11/05/2010 1:36:21 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: xzins

Then I am a purist.

The government has no responsibility for your living wages. None, nada, zip. You are responsible for your own productiveness.


15 posted on 11/05/2010 1:37:57 PM PDT by EBH
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To: Marty62

Well, I’m going to work at McDonalds ior do whatever I can, I won’t be forced into it.
I believe Frederic Bastiat said, paraphrasing, socialism is the soft bigotry of low expectations.


16 posted on 11/05/2010 1:40:19 PM PDT by vpintheak (Obama sez I'm an enemy and I will be punished. My Saviour has overcome the world.)
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To: xzins
After 90 days, they should have only the option to take a lesser job with the gov’t paying

Stopped reading right there...

17 posted on 11/05/2010 1:41:19 PM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: vpintheak

Sorry those jobs are taken.


18 posted on 11/05/2010 1:47:33 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: Shady

Jerry brown said “We need fewer jobs and more welfare”

self-fulfilling prophecy


19 posted on 11/05/2010 1:50:28 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: Pacothecat

Maybe it’s because in my ongoing 40 years of working I have only gotten six weeks of unemployment
check, but anyone sucking the teat of government for more than 90 days needs to be forced to work
for their government checks.

There is ALWAYS something out there that needs done unless you are really disabled or a lazy SOB.


20 posted on 11/05/2010 1:57:19 PM PDT by soycd
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To: frogjerk; EBH
stopped reading

The budget must be cut. One must find cuts.

1. If the government pays 100% of X, then it is a cut if the government pays only 50% of X. It is moving in the right direction. Are you saying you'd rather pay 100 billion in unemployment than 50 billion?

2. EBH would argue for zero unemployment. I don't think that's an unethical argument. One gets more of undesired behavior by subsidizing it. Paying someone not to work leads to more not working. EBH would say that it is unethical to rob a person of his initiative. I have no problem with that argument.

3. However, like welfare, I'm willing to take some cuts over zero cuts. If I can start the walk back in the right direction, then I'll take that walk. Gradually withdrawing someone from government assistance is better than not withdrawing him at all. Less payment is better than more payment.

21 posted on 11/05/2010 2:03:40 PM PDT by xzins (Freep-a-thon--Anyone can do a min of $10, OR you must believe in welfare, cause someone pays for you)
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To: Pacothecat

No. The moral obligation of the Government is to stand out of the way and allow private businesses the opportunity to generate jobs that will allow the unemployed the dignity of a job and the future. Not the dependency of a handout.


22 posted on 11/05/2010 2:07:16 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Palin 2012: Renew, Revive, and Restore)
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To: Pacothecat

Where is the moral obligation to the working class, working poor, middle class they’re always yapping about?

Cindie


23 posted on 11/05/2010 2:22:22 PM PDT by gardencatz (Proud mom US Marine! It can't always be someone else's son.)
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To: xzins
1. If the government pays 100% of X, then it is a cut if the government pays only 50% of X. It is moving in the right direction. Are you saying you'd rather pay 100 billion in unemployment than 50 billion?

I think this premise is false.

If people are given the opportunity to gain, for instance, $1000 per month with no work required, vs. $1000 that requires work (50% from the job vs. 50% from the government), many people will choose to take the $1000 check that doesn't require work.

There's no incentive to get off the government teat.

Think in terms of return on investment (ROI):

income divided by investment.

In this case, the investment is the work required to produce the income.

ROI is infinite if the work required is zero. The rational economic choice is to take the free money.

24 posted on 11/05/2010 2:25:38 PM PDT by EvilOverlord (Socialism makes workers into slaves and couch potatoes into kings)
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To: Pacothecat

How ‘bout we just take care of them from birth to death? They obviously cannot care for themselves...”

WE the People think NOT.


25 posted on 11/05/2010 2:31:11 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Pacothecat

The government cannot create jobs, only unemployment.


26 posted on 11/05/2010 2:32:22 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: EvilOverlord

There is no false premise. They don’t get offered a choice.

The first 90 days is straight-up unemployment.

Any remaining unemployment must be with a lesser job than the amount of unemployment they were receiving.


27 posted on 11/05/2010 2:33:19 PM PDT by xzins (Freep-a-thon--Anyone can do a min of $10, OR you must believe in welfare, cause someone pays for you)
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To: Shady

Her words are the equivalent of saying that taking money from the producers (or as has recently started, just printing trillions of dollars in paper money) and giving it to non-producers helps the people you take it from as much as the people you give it to.


28 posted on 11/05/2010 2:35:15 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Pacothecat
Keeping People on Unemployment for Almost Two Years is Gov Moral Obligation

Sign me up! I can use a two year vacation.

29 posted on 11/05/2010 2:47:06 PM PDT by Lockbox (`)
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To: xzins

The problem is that in some specialties, it is very hard to even find openings. 2/3 of my department was permanently laid off, followed by layoffs in the same area at other companies.

It’s taken me 18 months to get to the point where I am on the verge of a serious job offer, despite many, many applications, calls and trips.

The idea of some income protection for people taking lesser jobs isn’t bad. It’s certainly better than paying people to sit on the sofa while they send out resumes.

What’s really annoying is the ban on taking classes while receiving unemployment. It would help with retraining and building new job skills.


30 posted on 11/05/2010 3:00:17 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: xzins
After 90 days, they should have only the option to take a lesser job with the gov’t paying the difference between that paycheck and the former unemployment

Well, I can attest to those who are doing just that...I did. And not happily I might add..but it is much more "comfortable" looking for work while working then not at all. This job isn't close to what I had hoped for but I am adjusting to the "reality" that those positions I have held will not be opening up again any time soon....companies and business have found they are surviving well enough thru these times with the staff they have. Many are resorting to part-time workers for reasons we all know. Others are using Temporary Services when needed. Still it is sooooo much better bringing home a paycheck rather than what many are experiencing of not knowing from one day to the next when the cow will go dry.

31 posted on 11/05/2010 3:06:41 PM PDT by caww
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To: MediaMole

A ban on taking classes is ridiculous. I agree with you.

I would propose that a person be required after 90 days to be in ANY kind of employment, and not necessarily in the field he was in at the time of his layoff.

Even if flipping burgers at Wendy’s, he is not being led to rely on government any more than absolutely necessary.

There’s no loss of rights to return to a former job if it re-opens, and there’s always the possibility of the person moving up in the new occupation to a status equal to his old.

The bottom line is preventing a dependence on entitlements, having the government spend as little as possible, and encouraging the satisfaction of self-determination.


32 posted on 11/05/2010 3:08:03 PM PDT by xzins (Freep-a-thon--Anyone can do a min of $10, OR you must believe in welfare, cause someone pays for you)
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To: caww

Excellent report, caww.

Thanks.


33 posted on 11/05/2010 3:10:34 PM PDT by xzins (Freep-a-thon--Anyone can do a min of $10, OR you must believe in welfare, cause someone pays for you)
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To: xzins

Okay, if there is no additional unemployment money without having a job, then you are right.


34 posted on 11/05/2010 3:18:57 PM PDT by EvilOverlord (Socialism makes workers into slaves and couch potatoes into kings)
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To: Pacothecat

It’s government’s moral obligation not to rob from the productive bit just to give to the unproductive bit.

You know that thing called justice, ACTUAL genuine justice is Government’s moral responsibility. Indeed its their job to see to it that people are not forcefully robed to provide for others.


35 posted on 11/05/2010 3:27:40 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Pacothecat

It’s government’s moral obligation not to rob from the productive bit just to give to the unproductive bit.

You know that thing called justice, ACTUAL genuine justice is Government’s moral responsibility. Indeed its their job to see to it that people are not forcefully robed to provide for others.

The present Government of the United States has become destructive of theses ends!


36 posted on 11/05/2010 3:28:34 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Pacothecat

Hilarious when thieves start lecturing us about morality.


37 posted on 11/05/2010 3:29:35 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: EvilOverlord

Honest response, EO.

Proud to be a freeper with you.


38 posted on 11/05/2010 3:31:09 PM PDT by xzins (Freep-a-thon--Anyone can do a min of $10, OR you must believe in welfare, cause someone pays for you)
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To: Pacothecat
i wonder how many of the unemployed were let go from their very first job, and were only there for the 26 weeks required to qualify???
39 posted on 11/05/2010 3:42:27 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Pacothecat

The government is not the arbiter or definer of morality -the people are; government is but a tool...


40 posted on 11/05/2010 3:54:56 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Pacothecat
Keeping People on Unemployment for Almost Two Years is Gov Moral Obligation...

That is SUCH BS!! It just delays the inevitable....and I do realize that SOME unemployment is helpful when a job is lost. There are many who take advantage, and these are the ones that the government is enabling!

41 posted on 11/05/2010 4:20:13 PM PDT by LUV W (Thank God)
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To: a fool in paradise
A M E N!!!
42 posted on 11/05/2010 4:21:20 PM PDT by LUV W (Thank God)
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To: Pacothecat

Once you make the twisted leap that the feds should support you for two years why stop there? Why not four years? Why not ....?


43 posted on 11/05/2010 4:37:40 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: soycd

Most of us here agree with you and the “GOOD BOOK” which states that, “If any man will not work, neither shall he eat.”
Here in MI, too many, I’m sure over 50%, ARE working, just under the table and combined with the “gravy money” and all the hand outs food-wise are probably making more than they did before they were laid off.
Of course, they don’t have to bother with all those taxes either.
Then, the other big game is Workman’s Comp.. Why work for a living when, if you try hard enough and have a good enough lawyer, you can sit around and drink beer for the rest of your life.
Just last week I overheard a guy howdy up another and ask how it was going and the other replied that he was cutting lots of firewood to sell and still getting that good ol’ comp check. Those kinds of things are way too numerous.
I actually tried to report a neighbor who did this and the comp office hung up on me.
I guess handing out checks keeps them in a job, too.


44 posted on 11/05/2010 5:38:39 PM PDT by bog trotter
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To: Pacothecat

When “welfare” started being referred to as “entitlements” things like this became inevitable. Make no mistake about it. Liberals hate their country and they hate the citizenry. That’s why they do everything then can to destroy the fiber of both.


45 posted on 11/05/2010 7:26:17 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: Pacothecat

I’ll see you 2 years of your moral obligation. Throw on 2 more years of moral obligation and then raise you an additional free health care, free house, free car, and free gas for life.

Man I’m so morally superior to all of you.


46 posted on 11/05/2010 7:33:09 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Almondjoy

Cell phone. Don’t forget the free cell phone.


47 posted on 11/05/2010 7:53:39 PM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what?)
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To: Pacothecat

so ... 2 years is our moral obligation.... but at 2 years and one day they are on their own, and that’s ok?

And if it’s ok then, shouldn’t it be ok at 1 year and a day... or 3 months and a day?


48 posted on 11/05/2010 9:07:59 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: a fool in paradise

Where does the Constitution deal with moral questions? In any case, the word “keeper” in the time of Shakespeare and King James meant “jailer”, as in a prison or dungeon. Lefties would like to keep us chained and submissive, so in a way it’s consistent with O’s warped mindset.


49 posted on 11/05/2010 9:42:26 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Pacothecat
keeping-people-on-unemployment-for-almost-two-years-is-a-big mistake

Same mistake the Roman Empire made before they fell off the edge of the world.

50 posted on 11/06/2010 6:20:45 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Stop the Muslim immigration swarm coming into the US. Do it now!)
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