i wonder how many of the unemployed were let go from their very first job, and were only there for the 26 weeks required to qualify???
Posted on 11/05/2010 1:00:51 PM PDT by Pacothecat
“Spread the Recovery” Labor Sec: Keeping People on Unemployment for Almost Two Years is Gov Moral Obligation
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/%e2%80%9cspread-the-recovery%e2%80%9d-labor-sec-keeping-people-on-unemployment-for-almost-two-years-is-gov-moral-obligation/
The budget must be cut. One must find cuts.
1. If the government pays 100% of X, then it is a cut if the government pays only 50% of X. It is moving in the right direction. Are you saying you'd rather pay 100 billion in unemployment than 50 billion?
2. EBH would argue for zero unemployment. I don't think that's an unethical argument. One gets more of undesired behavior by subsidizing it. Paying someone not to work leads to more not working. EBH would say that it is unethical to rob a person of his initiative. I have no problem with that argument.
3. However, like welfare, I'm willing to take some cuts over zero cuts. If I can start the walk back in the right direction, then I'll take that walk. Gradually withdrawing someone from government assistance is better than not withdrawing him at all. Less payment is better than more payment.
No. The moral obligation of the Government is to stand out of the way and allow private businesses the opportunity to generate jobs that will allow the unemployed the dignity of a job and the future. Not the dependency of a handout.
Where is the moral obligation to the working class, working poor, middle class they’re always yapping about?
Cindie
I think this premise is false.
If people are given the opportunity to gain, for instance, $1000 per month with no work required, vs. $1000 that requires work (50% from the job vs. 50% from the government), many people will choose to take the $1000 check that doesn't require work.
There's no incentive to get off the government teat.
Think in terms of return on investment (ROI):
income divided by investment.
In this case, the investment is the work required to produce the income.
ROI is infinite if the work required is zero. The rational economic choice is to take the free money.
How ‘bout we just take care of them from birth to death? They obviously cannot care for themselves...”
WE the People think NOT.
The government cannot create jobs, only unemployment.
There is no false premise. They don’t get offered a choice.
The first 90 days is straight-up unemployment.
Any remaining unemployment must be with a lesser job than the amount of unemployment they were receiving.
Her words are the equivalent of saying that taking money from the producers (or as has recently started, just printing trillions of dollars in paper money) and giving it to non-producers helps the people you take it from as much as the people you give it to.
Sign me up! I can use a two year vacation.
The problem is that in some specialties, it is very hard to even find openings. 2/3 of my department was permanently laid off, followed by layoffs in the same area at other companies.
It’s taken me 18 months to get to the point where I am on the verge of a serious job offer, despite many, many applications, calls and trips.
The idea of some income protection for people taking lesser jobs isn’t bad. It’s certainly better than paying people to sit on the sofa while they send out resumes.
What’s really annoying is the ban on taking classes while receiving unemployment. It would help with retraining and building new job skills.
Well, I can attest to those who are doing just that...I did. And not happily I might add..but it is much more "comfortable" looking for work while working then not at all. This job isn't close to what I had hoped for but I am adjusting to the "reality" that those positions I have held will not be opening up again any time soon....companies and business have found they are surviving well enough thru these times with the staff they have. Many are resorting to part-time workers for reasons we all know. Others are using Temporary Services when needed. Still it is sooooo much better bringing home a paycheck rather than what many are experiencing of not knowing from one day to the next when the cow will go dry.
A ban on taking classes is ridiculous. I agree with you.
I would propose that a person be required after 90 days to be in ANY kind of employment, and not necessarily in the field he was in at the time of his layoff.
Even if flipping burgers at Wendy’s, he is not being led to rely on government any more than absolutely necessary.
There’s no loss of rights to return to a former job if it re-opens, and there’s always the possibility of the person moving up in the new occupation to a status equal to his old.
The bottom line is preventing a dependence on entitlements, having the government spend as little as possible, and encouraging the satisfaction of self-determination.
Excellent report, caww.
Thanks.
Okay, if there is no additional unemployment money without having a job, then you are right.
It’s government’s moral obligation not to rob from the productive bit just to give to the unproductive bit.
You know that thing called justice, ACTUAL genuine justice is Government’s moral responsibility. Indeed its their job to see to it that people are not forcefully robed to provide for others.
It’s government’s moral obligation not to rob from the productive bit just to give to the unproductive bit.
You know that thing called justice, ACTUAL genuine justice is Government’s moral responsibility. Indeed its their job to see to it that people are not forcefully robed to provide for others.
The present Government of the United States has become destructive of theses ends!
Hilarious when thieves start lecturing us about morality.
Honest response, EO.
Proud to be a freeper with you.
i wonder how many of the unemployed were let go from their very first job, and were only there for the 26 weeks required to qualify???
The government is not the arbiter or definer of morality -the people are; government is but a tool...
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