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CA: California’s Prop 23 and the “big oil money” campaign – outspent 3 to 1
Watts Up With That? ^ | November 5, 2010 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 11/05/2010 8:57:51 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

You and I know it was never about facts, it was about hyping the green dream. Just look at the numbers. First from the opposition:

Of course they don’t dare mention the amount of money their side has put into it, because, well, that would look imbalanced. Now have a look at the other side of the issue from the legislator who spearheaded the effort:

Logue: Big money beat Proposition 23

By LARRY MITCHELL – Staff Writer
CHICO — Assemblyman Dan Logue, R-Linda, said big money defeated Proposition 23, which would have put the brakes on Assembly Bill 32, the state’s clean-air act.“We were outspent three-to-one,” Logue said in a phone interview Tuesday night. 

Logue spearheaded the Proposition 23 campaign.

AB32 was passed and signed by the governor in 2006. It provides that between 2012 and 2020 greenhouse gas emissions will be reduced to 1990 levels.

Proposition 23 would have postponed implementing major parts of AB32 until the state’s unemployment rate stood at 5.5 percent for a year. Now the jobless rate is around 12 percent.

In June, when Proposition 23 qualified for the ballot, the Enterprise-Record interviewed Logue and Robin Huffman of the Chico-based Butte Environmental Council. At that time, Logue was thrilled, and Huffman expressed concern.

Full story here at the Chico Enterprise Record

Here’s the REAL “dirty secret”, from the LA Times:

But it was pure spin. As they say in the movie, “Follow the money.”

Two Texas-based oil refiners, along with California business trade associations and anti-tax activists thought they could halt the nation’s most ambitious effort to curb greenhouse gas emissions. But they were able to raise only $10.6 million. Most of California’s biggest companies, including Chevron, Pacific Gas & Electric and Sempra Energy, stayed neutral or actively opposed the initiative.

Backers were steamrolled by a $31.2 million campaign funded by such wealthy philanthropists as San Francisco hedge fund manager Tom Steyer, such big environmental groups as the National Wildlife Federation and the ClimateWorks Foundation, and such Silicon Valley green-tech moguls as John Doerr and Vinod Khosla.

10.6 million from “big oil”

31.2 million from “big green”

Yep, that’s some dirty secret alright. But you won’t see this reported on one side news outlets or green blogs.

There’s lot of hype about green jobs, but read this from a man who actually created some of them:

I know firsthand about green jobs. SunPower Corp., a company I chair and the second-largest U.S. producer of solar cells, has produced about 800 green jobs in California. But that’s just a fraction of the 4,700 jobs lost when Toyota pulled the plug on its local Nummi automotive plant due to the high cost of doing business in California.

That “pull the plug” meme will be repeated again and again in the coming months.

And then there’s this absolute rubbish:

Here’s why, when you look at California’s energy supply…


Energy Generation in California: Source: Figure E-1
California Energy Commission – http://www.energy.ca.gov/2009_energypolicy/ 

…and you see all that hydro, nuclear, natural gas, and renewables, you have to ask yourself: “where’s the dirty energy problem?

With coal making up only 18.2%, “dirty energy” and up to 40% of the electricity coming from out of state (remember Enron’s manipulation of California?) “dirty energy” was really a non-issue.

But when we are talking green jobs, green energy, green money, green envy or just about anything else “green”, such facts don’t matter.

Congratulations to California, you got the government and legislation you deserve.

Maybe Kieth Olberman of MSNBC will name me the “worst person in the world” for writing this fact check. Oh, wait.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: biggreen; caenergy; cainitiatives; california; corporatewelfare; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; greenenergy; greenjobs; johndoerr; prop23; vinodkhosla

1 posted on 11/05/2010 8:57:54 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: NormsRevenge; steelyourfaith; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; tubebender; Carry_Okie; Brad's Gramma; ...

fyi


2 posted on 11/05/2010 8:58:38 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

California is in the toilet and STILL reaching for the flush handle.


3 posted on 11/05/2010 9:02:12 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Funny thing is that on the John and Kenn show, they noted that Prop 26 requiring a 2/3 legislative approval for fees is applicable to Cap and Trade...

We somehow won :)


4 posted on 11/05/2010 9:04:13 PM PDT by Porterville ( I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubble gum)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; SouthTexas; happydogx2; Pete-R-Bilt; B4Ranch

Thank you Ernest! This will go out to my email list ASAP...


5 posted on 11/05/2010 9:09:51 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: Porterville
Funny thing is that on the John and Kenn show, they noted that Prop 26 requiring a 2/3 legislative approval for fees is applicable to Cap and Trade...

The Greenies are ready to file suit against Prop 26 due to its being in conflict with Prop 25. Which, BTW I don't agree with. The purpose of Prop 26 was to require a 2/3 majority to raise fees and levies, which is already a requirement for taxes. AB 32 has a lot of fees associated with its implementation.

6 posted on 11/05/2010 9:20:33 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This and the largest tax increase in California history will be the legacy of Schnitzelwagger.

Watch him run for the House or Senate next.


7 posted on 11/05/2010 9:21:54 PM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“California is in the toilet and STILL reaching for the flush handle.”

Californians (except for the conservative kind) do not realize the freight train ahead. The green energy fraud has mostly been a free lunch so far. The real costs are just beginning. The taxes and regulations to chase this Utopian dream will cause wide spread job losses. Other states will be very aggressive in recruitting California employers.

The good news is that the target CO2 emissions should be easy to achieve. The flight of businesses and production will lead much less energy used at least from businesses. The left should be proud of its effort to deindustrialize California.


8 posted on 11/05/2010 9:28:29 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: DPMD

He needs to go back to Austria.


9 posted on 11/05/2010 9:28:44 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Porterville
There is a thread around here discussing that....:

Calif.'s Little-Noticed Prop 26 Squeaks Through in Dead of Night (Climate Change Cultists Saddened)

10 posted on 11/05/2010 9:32:40 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: umgud; Porterville
Prop 25 reads that all CA law and Constitution is "Not Withstanding", therefore it is superior to everything. Any tax or fee may be imposed or raised by simply writing it into the budget bill, and passing the budget.

The only possible impediment would be if Prop 26 passed with a higher numerical popular vote, then a judge MAY rule 26 superior to 25, requiring a 2/3 popular vote on raising taxes outside the budget bill.

However, if the tax was inside the budget bill, the judge might not have the authority to order the budget to the ballot.

Lastly, how many constructionist judges do we have in the People's Republic of California?

11 posted on 11/05/2010 9:42:09 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

In life you sometimes have to step aside and let a hard headed person make the mistake. Otherwise you are wasting energy and time. Let CA experiment with the green economy and uncontrolled spending. Like NJ and MI their people will sooner or later realize that tax and spending into debt will not work. This election cycle two blue states just went red, NJ and MI. NY, CA and MA have serious deficits, but it has not gotten bad enough for the majority to change to GOP. Give them time, and the GOP in Congress should not bail them out when the SHTF for those states.


12 posted on 11/05/2010 9:47:12 PM PDT by Fee
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To: Fee
Sounds like a good plan to me.

California is in the hole to the tune of 100 Billion plus.

13 posted on 11/05/2010 9:52:02 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Green Jobs are disappearing already. Solyndra, the solar panel plant visited by Obama a few months ago, just shut down one of their local factories, will not issue their I.P.O. and will not hire all the workers they promised when Obama was here.They talked of hiring up to 3,000.

So much for that.

14 posted on 11/05/2010 10:01:07 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Porterville; All
There's a small problem with dependance upon the two-thirds requirement: Dems are only a couple seats from having those kinds of super majorities.

They have 52 of 80 seats, or 65%, in the legislature.

There's an open seat in the State Senate (probably the dead woman just elected) which will give them 25 of 40 seats there, 63%.

15 posted on 11/05/2010 10:44:23 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The whole clean air and global warming issue always goes down to the common focus. How can someone make big bucks, regardless of who will get screwed and what way.
In this case the greenies outspent the terrible big oil companies three fold.

16 posted on 11/05/2010 10:52:47 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
E. Have a great upcoming day. Tomorrow Lord willing I shall get the chance to meet with a fine bunch of Boy Scouts, Explorers, and Sea Explorers from my old troop and Ship. Troop and Ship 314 out of Philadelphia since the thirties.
Thirty through forty years since I have seen many of them.
Hopefully many at this social shall be of the conservative end of the spectrum this late in life.
This gang was special to me. We had a forty five foot World War Two vintage Naval picket boat.
In fact. It was commissioned in 1944 in I believe Long Beach, Calf.. With two large gas, later converted Grey Marine Diesels (671's), twenty four inch props... a huge drum and bugle corps. which I had lead for a few years before starting into my work career, a Indian club. We could muster between sixty and eighty people on Memorial Day Parades etc., to participate in parades, with our Drum and Bugle Corps., followed by three across rank after rank of scouts and explorers.
At summer camps (Treasure Island... the home of the Order of the Arrow society....think back to 1913 range), we totally dominated the week. Each night before mess call, passing assembly on a large parade ground.
We would march onto the parade ground, playing songs like SEMPER FI, other long standing marches, big band sounds of the forties etc.. I had the honor a few years of providing the morning call and evening call colors as I smartly stood in front of the Corps. playing these calls as our glorious American flag was slowly lowered and properly folded, sort of brings a tear to my eyes.
At other ceremonies being key bugler playing taps in honor of all our fallen military through so many wars to protect and uphold the Constitution and way of life of America.
So many fine memories... early on, instilling in me. honor, honesty, commitment, and respect, it helped mold me.
To this day I consider many I will hopefully meet tomorrow as my best friends.
So I may not be around this site to respond to your as usual good posts.
Hope I can stay party sober. It will be like a coming home party for me.
Sort of the likes of a band of brothers.
17 posted on 11/05/2010 11:24:07 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Can you pull this back up when they are freezing their backsides off.

Tx.

Paul


18 posted on 11/05/2010 11:58:21 PM PDT by Paul Pierett (Paul Pierett)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

oh yea, lets really hype that green dream

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/05/stimulus-follies-535-million-down-the-drain-in-california-in-green-jobs/


19 posted on 11/06/2010 4:23:22 AM PDT by SF_Redux
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To: businessprofessor
The good news is that the target CO2 emissions should be easy to achieve. The flight of businesses and production will lead much less energy used at least from businesses.

Much of the "industry" you are thinking about has already left. Unless there is some sort of welfare system for power, this one may chase out the riffraff too, a common liberal tactic employed in wealthy counties such as Marin.

BTW, 20% of the power used in California is for moving and treating water. A lot of that is not going away under any circumstances.

20 posted on 11/06/2010 5:25:08 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; scripter; Darnright; WL-law; bamahead; carolinablonde; SolitaryMan; rdl6989; ..
Thanx Ernest_at_the_Beach !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

21 posted on 11/06/2010 5:46:12 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; ...
Thanks Ernest_at_the_Beach. I'm sure the news media will be all over this, the same way it figured it out during the campaign before the election.
Assemblyman Dan Logue, R-Linda, said big money defeated Proposition 23, which would have put the brakes on Assembly Bill 32, the state's clean-air act."We were outspent three-to-one," Logue said in a phone interview Tuesday night. Logue spearheaded the Proposition 23 campaign.

22 posted on 11/06/2010 7:00:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Hubby was just saying the other day that we made it out of California in the nick of time.


23 posted on 11/06/2010 7:53:43 AM PDT by TheOldLady (The only way to run our country is conservatively.)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Have a wonderful day.

My son was educated in the Boy Scouts...acting as Senior Patrol leader for a troop over a 100.

He says the Best training he ever had was with a great project for his Eagle .

We moved a stacked limestone fence to the North West Shawnee Mission High School grounds for the beginning of an ecological area that a teacher was organizing...

I had a Chevy Blazer with a trailer Hitch and made many trips with a truck full of young scouts as we moved all of those slabs ....

Some young boys improved their muscles greatly out of that effort.

24 posted on 11/06/2010 8:42:24 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Carry_Okie

“Much of the “industry” you are thinking about has already left. Unless there is some sort of welfare system for power, this one may chase out the riffraff too, a common liberal tactic employed in wealthy counties such as Marin.

BTW, 20% of the power used in California is for moving and treating water. A lot of that is not going away under any circumstances.”

You are certainly correct about power for water treatment. I suspect that some reasonable level of power generation supports irrigation efforts that the rats would like to curtail.

I am not sure if you are correct about business movement. I do not doubt that much business has already fled but I think there are plenty of energy intensive businesses that will move in the coming 10 years if AB32 is not derailed in some way. In addition, there are many reasonably energy intensive businesses (such as a typical restaurant) that cannot flee. The only choices for these businesses is raise prices or close.

I was not serious about meeting the goals. The goals cannot be met even with wrecking the state’s economy. California is hoping that the EPA will impose similar costs on the rest of the country so that California does not become even less competitive to the rest of the country. I hope that the Republican House can somehow stop the EPA from imposing this terrible cost on the entire country.


25 posted on 11/06/2010 8:45:46 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: businessprofessor
You are certainly correct about power for water treatment. I suspect that some reasonable level of power generation supports irrigation efforts that the rats would like to curtail.

They've got the Delta Smelt for that, but yes, they're out to steal dirt.

I am not sure if you are correct about business movement.

As of 2008, it was about 3X agriculture, but considering how much of it is for lighting, I don't think that is such a substantial fraction of TCOS that it would make anybody move. The energy intensive businesses have been relocating for a long time at a steady clip.

BTW, consider how much of our gas bill in this state is for oxidation of emissions. It's a big co-gen opportunity.

The goals cannot be met even with wrecking the state’s economy.

If they can chase people out of the suburbs to buy their inflated Sustainable Tenements they might. At least, that's the plan.

I hope that the Republican House can somehow stop the EPA from imposing this terrible cost on the entire country.

There's so much big money behind the RINOcRats demanding this, I don't see how with Barry-O sitting atop his veto pen.

26 posted on 11/06/2010 9:19:49 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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27 posted on 11/06/2010 7:28:56 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Muslims are not the problem, the rest of the world is! /s)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Appreciate your feed back on my comments. Scouting within the framework of having a solid team of adults to help out is so important. I had similar experience on a number of Eagle Scout projects in my brother's troop (before he became and after the Scout Master).
And I am glad to hear your son made Eagle Scout. The leadership skills he learned within leading such a large troop I can fully appreciate. I for about two years actively lead our Troop and Ship as a ASM and First Mate in the ship, and ran the Drum and Bugle Corps.. It provided a lot of solid training that helped me out over the years in many aspects of life.
Lastly. As you can imagine I had a great time today meeting my Senior Patrol Leader of some fifty four years ago, as well as others I lead and those I respected as good leaders and scouts. And the beer and food was great. Heheh.
Have a great upcoming day. Think I will crash soon.
28 posted on 11/06/2010 9:25:23 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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