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Mark Rubios Parents
vanity | Nov 6, 2010 | Chatter4

Posted on 11/05/2010 10:19:53 PM PDT by chatter4

With all the talk of many conservatives hoping that Mark Rubio could one day run for President, I have a few questions. From the information available on the Web, It is said that Mark Rubio's parents were here in exile from Cuba. That would imply that they had hopes of returning there one day. Did his parents ever become US citizens? Did they become US citizens prior to Mark's birth?


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1 posted on 11/05/2010 10:19:54 PM PDT by chatter4
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To: chatter4

Yes, I too would like to know.


2 posted on 11/05/2010 10:24:21 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: chatter4

I think he has more concern over his wife, a former Miami Dolphins cheerleader. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But I can already hear the criticisms and crass comments sure to come concerning his wife and the mother of his children. Liberals are sick people.


3 posted on 11/05/2010 10:24:43 PM PDT by South40 (My computer beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kickboxing!)
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To: chatter4

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” 14th Amendment.

Rubio was born in the US, he’s a US citizen. End of story.


4 posted on 11/05/2010 10:26:08 PM PDT by Lou Budvis (Refudiate 0bama '12)
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To: chatter4

He was born in Miami in 1971.


5 posted on 11/05/2010 10:30:11 PM PDT by Texas56
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To: chatter4

Rubio was born on 28 May 1971 in Miami, FL. US territory, I do believe. That makes him eligible.


6 posted on 11/05/2010 10:30:34 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Texas56

What nationality were his parents at the time?


7 posted on 11/05/2010 10:30:55 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Texas56

“He was born in Miami in 1971.”

I asked about his parents citizenship.


8 posted on 11/05/2010 10:32:32 PM PDT by chatter4
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To: Lou Budvis

“Rubio was born in the US, he’s a US citizen. End of story.”

I did not ask where he was born, or question his citizenship-I asked about his parents citizenship.


9 posted on 11/05/2010 10:35:33 PM PDT by chatter4
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To: chatter4

He is not Mark Rubio, he is Marco Rubio, and is a Citizen.


10 posted on 11/05/2010 10:35:48 PM PDT by samantha (The New Media fighting the DBM for our Sanity, Survival ,Soldiers.)
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To: Plummz
What nationality were his parents at the time?

Not relevant, unless they were Cuban diplomats with diplomatic immunity to US jurisdiction.

11 posted on 11/05/2010 10:37:07 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Lou Budvis; chatter4

I don’t think that is what chatter4 is getting at. If Marco’s parents were not citizens at the time of his birth, then he is a citizen by virtue of being born in the US, but he is not a “natural born” citizen and is not eligible to be President.


12 posted on 11/05/2010 10:39:26 PM PDT by Jess79
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To: Lou Budvis
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” 14th Amendment.
Rubio was born in the US, he’s a US citizen. End of story.
Help me out here. What is the intent and effect of the qualifier "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" on "All persons born or naturalized in the United States".

13 posted on 11/05/2010 10:40:29 PM PDT by Ron/GA
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To: chatter4
I would think that Rubio’s parents would want to return to Cuba. Most Cuban exiles do. If you are worried about Rubio’s citizenship, he was born on American soil, and that makes him a citizen. Does it make any difference whether or not his parents wanted to return to Cuba?
14 posted on 11/05/2010 10:41:27 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Lou Budvis

..........................“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” 14th Amendment.

Rubio was born in the US, he’s a US citizen. End of story..................

Wonderful response! I think that the state of Florida should question his credentials, and thus open the flood gates of a certin President who may not be able to present his credentials!


15 posted on 11/05/2010 10:42:11 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Check out my credentials)
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To: chatter4

I think he has a bc to prove where he was born.


16 posted on 11/05/2010 10:42:56 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Nosterrex

Maybe they were Cuban citizens at the time of Marco Rubio’s birth, maybe they were not. The only thing that matters is that Marco was born here, on US soil and thus, is subject to the jurisdiction thereof.


17 posted on 11/05/2010 10:45:01 PM PDT by mkboyce
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To: samantha

“He is not Mark Rubio, he is Marco Rubio, and is a Citizen.”

Perhaps you may want to review the questions I asked?


18 posted on 11/05/2010 10:45:57 PM PDT by chatter4
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To: Noob1999

No it is not end of story. Sounds like the anti birthers like Boortz, Coulter, Ingraham, Beck, O’Reiill, Hugh Hewitt, Medved and other idiots.


19 posted on 11/05/2010 10:46:51 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Lou Budvis
"Rubio was born in the US, he’s a US citizen. End of story."

Following the Øbozo Liberal line, eh?

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Citizen, yes. Natural Born Citizen, no.

Only Citizen parentage determines a Citizen's Natural Born status.

20 posted on 11/05/2010 10:48:39 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: mkboyce
Maybe they were Cuban citizens at the time of Marco Rubio’s birth, maybe they were not. The only thing that matters is that Marco was born here, on US soil and thus, is subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

For any other elected office, that is true, but chatter4 posted the topic in relation to Marco becoming President someday. Natural born citizens are persons born in the US of parents who are citizens.

21 posted on 11/05/2010 10:49:16 PM PDT by Jess79
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To: Plummz

Cuban, unless someone else knows otherwise?


22 posted on 11/05/2010 10:52:09 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Vincit qui se vincit)
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To: Noob1999

“...and thus open the flood gates of a certin President...”

You misspelled Cretin ...


23 posted on 11/05/2010 10:57:00 PM PDT by jessduntno (9/24/10, FBI raids home of appropriately named AAAN leader Hatem Abudayyeh, a friend of Obama.)
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To: Jess79

You are correct.


24 posted on 11/05/2010 10:58:53 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Jess79

Both parents? Per whose definition?


25 posted on 11/05/2010 10:59:06 PM PDT by mkboyce
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To: Lou Budvis

We know that. But were his parents naturalized citizens before his birth?


26 posted on 11/05/2010 11:00:35 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Jess79

“Hate to pile on, but the path to Atomic Energy was discovered in Europe as well.”

I have read that natural born is interchangable with native born.

Found it read into the Congrssional Record pertaining to George Romney, who was not native born, and hence not eligible.

It is legal opinion, not law.


27 posted on 11/05/2010 11:03:17 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: chatter4

His parents were like this, in my book they are Americans.

“Born American, But in the Wrong Place”

By Peter W. Schramm

http://www.claremont.org/publications/pubid.5/pub_detail.asp

note— One of the best reads I have ever found. Excellent.


28 posted on 11/05/2010 11:03:51 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Nosterrex
Marco's father died in September. He did not live to see his son elected Senator although things were looking good at the time of his passing.

Thank you Mario Rubio and may God Bless.

29 posted on 11/05/2010 11:10:19 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: Plummz

What difference does that make?


30 posted on 11/05/2010 11:11:42 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: truth_seeker

Here is the article, published in the Congressional Record of the House une 14, 1967.

http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2010/07/14/natural-born-congressional-record-house-june-14-1967/

From article:

“The Constitution itself does not define the term natural-born citizen. At the time of the adoption of the U.S. Constitution, under the common law, the terms native born citizen and natural born citizen were synonymous, but. the customary usage was to refer to such type of citizenship as “natural born” Instead of “native born.””


31 posted on 11/05/2010 11:14:20 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: chatter4
Marco Rubio's parents no doubt became US citizens like their fellow emigres did. Special provisions eased the citizenship process for Cuban emigres and they took them up with enthusiasm.
32 posted on 11/05/2010 11:27:05 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: jessduntno

Good catch.


33 posted on 11/05/2010 11:32:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: mkboyce
The only thing that matters is that Marco was born here, on US soil and thus, is subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

Someone born on U.S. soil to foreign parents is subject to the jurisdiction of their parent's home country. That is what that means.

34 posted on 11/05/2010 11:36:44 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: jessduntno

......................You misspelled Cretin ...........

Oops! that was a whoreiffic mistake as applied to our president and chief wookie!

I sure hope that they will have a wonderful Indian video conference call with all the Indian officials.

OH! wait a moment!

Coupl’a $$$$ hundred million per day to talk to them???

Geez, maybe they should cash in their Denny’s waffle coupons and get some free Orange Juice at those prices!!


35 posted on 11/05/2010 11:46:33 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Check out my credentials)
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To: chatter4
You may want to get the man's name right.

Here's a link to his acceptance speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBrO7VmB5fM

36 posted on 11/05/2010 11:47:42 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: truth_seeker

That analysis used a number of false and erroneous statements and claims. English common law was not the source of law for all jurisdictions of the United States at the time of the adoption of the U.S. Constitution. Each of the states was responsible for establishing its own citizenship and naturalization laws following their declaration of independence from Great Britain. A uniform system of naturalization law for all of the United States did not occur until decades into the 19th Century following the adoption of the U.S. Constitution. Until then, the requirements for citizenship differed from one state to the next in the United States of America, and these states used a variety of Continental European (Ancien Regime), english Common Law, and natural law principles from England, France, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Rome, and more.

Alexander Hamilton proposed to make any citizen of the United States eligible for the Office of the President so long as the age and residency requirements were also satisfied. John Jay objected and asked for the qualifications to require a natural born citizen requirement. The erroneous analysis omits the obvious distinction that a natural born citizen requirement is superfluous and quite unnecessary if the intent was to authorize any U.S. citizen to be eligible to the Office of the President. Even the English Common law being cited required two citizen parents for the child to be deemed to have English/British citizenship by jus sanguinnis.

The whole issue was about a determination of which sovereign could claim the allegiance of a child at the time of the child’s birth. Dual citizenship was not recognized and was an impossibility at the time the laws and the U.S. Constitution were written and practiced. It is quite clear whether using Charles Vattel’s Law of Nations, blacksone’s Commentaries, or the ancient laws and traditions of Roman law common to Europe and America; citizenship followed the citizenship of the parents or the father, unless you were born in the Jurisdiction of the Sovereign of Great Britain. Under the naturalization laws of the some states after the adoption of the U.S. Constitution, birth upon U.S. soil sometimes was not enough to qualify for citizenship in that state and thereby the United States.

The person presently calling himself Barack Hussein Obama II is on public record acknowledging that his father was a citizen of Great Britain at the time of his own birth. Vattel’s Law of Nations used by John Jay and the other authors of the U.S. Constitution defined a natural born citizen as the child of two parents having U.S. citizenship at the time of the child’s birth. Obviously, even he acknowledges that he did not have the requisite two U.S. citizen parents and undivided loyalty to the United States at the time of his birth.


37 posted on 11/05/2010 11:52:21 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Ron/GA

The “subject to the jurisdiction” appears to refer to the children born to diplomats of foreign countries who are in the US. See also: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401——000-.html


Can anyone name one single case that holds that mere birth citizenship does not allow a person to be President? or one section of the US code or its regulations? Just one thing that backs up this notion that people who are citizens by birth are somehow different than natural born citizens for the purposes of becoming President?


38 posted on 11/06/2010 12:04:45 AM PDT by Lou Budvis (Refudiate 0bama '12)
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To: Lou Budvis

The fact that the Constitution specifically makes the distinction. Otherwise it would be ridiculous to state that a President and Vice President had to be “natural born” citizens.


39 posted on 11/06/2010 12:17:45 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: WhiskeyX
Research the word Kind as an adjective it means natural..going back in time..Kind means natural descent. The word is related to Kindred, Kin, indegenous...it goes back to gecynde..to a latin word..meaning heritage. A natural born citzen means descent from citizen parents. In life we descend not ascend unless of course you are Christ. Photobucket Photobucket [IMG]http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab264/Dragging_Canoe/ScreenHunter_11Nov040628.gif[/IMG] Photobucket
40 posted on 11/06/2010 12:32:39 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: Lou Budvis

Rubio was born in the US, he’s a US citizen. End of story.

NOT! Just like Your President, unless both his parents became US citizens BEFORE his birth, he is not a Natural Born Citizen....therefore just like Obama, He would not be eligable ...


41 posted on 11/06/2010 12:59:27 AM PDT by TREGEN
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To: Jess79

but he is not a “natural born” citizen and is not eligible to be President.

Just like Obama is not eligible...but seems like everyone is ignoring that fact!


42 posted on 11/06/2010 1:04:41 AM PDT by TREGEN
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To: WhiskeyX
Vattel’s Law of Nations used by John Jay and the other authors of the U.S. Constitution defined a natural born citizen as the child of two parents having U.S. citizenship at the time of the child’s birth.

Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, etc. were all born to parents who were obviously British subjects, not U.S. citizens.

Unless there is some sort of "grandfathering clause" in the Constitution, then being born in one of the 13 Colonies was good enough for them to be POTUS-eligible.

43 posted on 11/06/2010 1:08:40 AM PDT by rfp1234
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To: Jess79
don't start with this crap newbie....if your PINO can waltz in without a BC or a marriage cert or work history or school history or records and can have someone else's SS number I sure as hell am not going to listen to you DUmmies talking about Rubio's parents...

go back to DU...

44 posted on 11/06/2010 1:25:01 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Lou Budvis

It’s not so simple.


45 posted on 11/06/2010 1:26:30 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: rfp1234

Guess what! There is a “grandfathering clause.”


46 posted on 11/06/2010 1:33:32 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: TREGEN

I have to agree.

There should not be even a HINT of allegiance to any other country. Anybody who wishes to become president should be born on US soil to two parents who are citizens. I wish the whole natural born/native born issue would be clarified so further confusion could be avoided.


47 posted on 11/06/2010 1:41:13 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: rfp1234
Yes, Arthur McGowan is correct, there is a 'grandfather clause': Article 2, section 1 of the Constitution states, "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president; neither shall any person be eligible who shall not attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States."

The addition of a grandfather clause in this paragraph says a lot as to the meaning of natural born. The first thing it says is that being born in the US is not enough to be natural born, otherwise the grandfather clause would not be necessary. The writers and delegates, having been born in the US, wanted to be eligible for the presidency, but most were the children of British subjects. Knowing that that eliminated them from being natural born and, thus, from eligibility, they included the grandfather clause which expired when the last person alive at the time of the ratification of the Constitution died. So, being a native born citizen is not the same as being natural born. If it were the framers would not have included the clause.

(As posted by freeper 2ndDivisionVet on the website "Natural Born Conservative") http://larrymwalkerjr.blogspot.com/2009/03/true-definition-of-natural-born-citizen.html

The comments on the page are interesting as well.

48 posted on 11/06/2010 2:06:41 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: chatter4
There is no pat answer no matter how many of you wish it were so.

Barry's problem is that he can't even get to the point about arguing if he was natural born as his birth certificate has more variations than Lady Gaga has wardrobe changes. And the only people that claim to have seen his birth certificate and CERTIFIED IT were Pelosi and Reid. Ya, no conflict there.

And now Rubio is on the chopping block. Kid hasn't even served a day in the Senate and some are already harping that he can't be president.

The interesting thing about Rubio is that he's Cuban (and why don't I recall this argument when Mel Martinez became senator? It's quite funny how much Rubio strikes fear into the hearts of liberals)and Cuban emigres are treated far differently than economic refugees that flood the US from the Southwest.

Technically, they can't be illegal aliens. They are pretty much granted resident status the moment their feet touch US soil.

And the worst thing of all for the anti-Rubio bunch is that it really can't be argued that he or his parents were ever subject to the laws or or owed allegiance to Cuba after arriving in the US.

49 posted on 11/06/2010 2:07:31 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Defund National Peoples Radio!! Democrats are for free speech. Just not for you.)
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To: TigersEye
Yes, the 14th Ammendment also was written to avoid conferring citizenship on American Indians. Indians were not "subject" to US Laws, instead were governed by the laws of their various tribal nations.

American Indians were only made into US citizens circa 1980. I believe President Carter signed the law making them citizens.

50 posted on 11/06/2010 3:26:26 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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