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Why Angle Lost
Pajamas Media ^ | November 6, 2010 | John Ransom

Posted on 11/06/2010 4:54:39 AM PDT by Kaslin

The fear and loathing after defeat in Las Vegas don't mask the reality that Sharron Angle's campaign was just not top notch.

The reasons for Sharron Angle’s loss to Harry Reid in a GOP surge year, when other conservative candidates like Rand Paul of Kentucky and Joe Walsh of Illinois won victories, are not rooted in strategy. Nor are they rooted in a flawed ideology that was too conservative. Instead, the loss was a product of simple logistical failures by the Angle campaign, failures they often were unwilling or unable to understand.

Amateurs talk about strategy. Professionals talk about logistics,” said General of the Army Omar Bradley. Sure, he wasn’t talking about political campaigns. Yet the famous military axiom, more often than not, holds for politics as well. The terrible swift sword of the South, General Nathan Bedford Forrest, described it as “getting there first-est with the most-est.”

So here is a look at the “first-est” logistical reasons Angle lost to Harry Reid:

1) Lack of experience at the top. Three weeks after Angle won the Republican primary, top Angle advisors were still “looking for chinks in Harry’s armor,” as they put it. Really, they had absolutely no idea how they were going to take on Reid. None. Zip. Seasoned professionals would have been ready to execute. You know that IT guy who lives across the street; the guy I wave to in the morning? Yes, that guy would have had a better idea how to take on Reid than Angle did. Some ideas would have been better than no ideas at all. “We just won the primary three weeks ago,” a top member of Angle’s staff complained when asked why the campaign had stalled out. In that time, Angle went from a double-digit lead to down seven percentage points. She squandered her “first-est” advantage.

2) No message discipline. There are three things that can happen when a politician opens her mouth and only one of them is good. She can be quoted accurately but off-message; she can be quoted inaccurately and off-message; or she can be quoted accurately and on message. The outcome is always the responsibility of the candidate. Too often Angle was quoted off-message. Angle was infamous for verbal gaffes on the trail. These were due to her getting off the message that the economy sucks and it’s Harry Reid’s fault. Every social-issue question should have been answered saying: “Interesting question. I think the thing Nevadans want to know about is why after Harry Reid spent trillions of tax dollars, Nevada still leads the nation in unemployment, foreclosures, and bankruptcies.” It might have been a boring campaign, but Angle would have won by hammering her “best-est” argument.

3) Lack of experience in the middle. The campaign was littered with friends of friends who were very enthusiastic but lacked basic campaign experience. They shunned experienced activists (and advice), creating an “us against them” attitude in the GOP community. Even groups who were active in helping Angle win the primary were given the stiff arm once the general election started. Coalitions happen in the middle space of a campaign, and the Angle campaign squandered that space. Much of the Angle GOTV operation was by spontaneous activists who were frustrated by the lack of response from the Angle campaign. Although enthusiasm was at a high point in Vegas, Angle didn’t exploit the “most-est” enthusiasm gap.

4) Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. The campaign had a poor working relationship with the press, fostered by the fear that Angle too often got off-message. The press, Angle likely felt, “had no business to report [her remarks] so verbatimly,” to use Mark Twain’s apt phrase. Angle, then, rebuffed the press, which is always a mistake. Yes, it feels good to rebuff us. But the rebuff created a loathing by the press, which was returned by the campaign. Angle would have been wise to see the press as a delivery mechanism that is better managed than challenged. While this failure doesn’t necessarily fit into any “first-est with the most-est,” category, it might have been the dumbest thing the campaign did. It made the campaign look like it lacked confidence in itself.

“Victory in the next war will depend in execution not plans,” Patton wrote to Eisenhower in 1926. The next war was World War II. That war was won by overwhelming the Axis powers by logistics, not strategy.

It’s a lesson all candidates should study when they prepare to take on the Axis of Evil.


TOPICS: Editorial; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: 2010midterms; angle; electionfraud; harrystoleit; nv2010; reid; unions; unionthugs
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1 posted on 11/06/2010 4:54:39 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Excellent Analysis!

Add in voter fraud and pressue from casino owners on their employees to vote for Reid also made a difference.

The Republican candidate should have won this race easily.
That said, remember the Republicans did not the presidence in 1856. We are remaking the Republican party, we will make mistakes. But 60+ seats in the House 6+ in the Senate and 680+ seats in the various state legislatures is a good start!


2 posted on 11/06/2010 5:03:40 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: Kaslin

Ya forgot to add “overwhelming voter fraud”


3 posted on 11/06/2010 5:05:37 AM PDT by South Dakota (Drill baby, drill)
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To: Kaslin

I don’t know a lot about Nevada except that it is basically 2 large cities and a whole lot of wasteland. Drove from Vegas to Reno once and there isn’t a lot to fight for there.

Angle is a problem if there were just as conservative a candidate who could have won except for some mishap. As for me, I’ll not ever vote for a rino again. Better a known enemy, than a traitor in your midst.

So, the only other issue is a better conservative losing in the primary to a lesser conservative. If that “better” conservative lost simply because the “lesser” conservative ran a better campaign, then I’d have to say that the “better” was not really “better.”

If the better lost the primary because he got in late, was a virtual unknown, or became ill, etc., then I’ll regret the Angle race. I do think she squandered an awful lot of time.

And then there’s the question of fraud. Perhaps Ronald Reagan himself could not have defeated tampered electronic voting machines.

We’ve GOT to get rid of those things.


4 posted on 11/06/2010 5:07:03 AM PDT by xzins (Freep-a-thon--Anyone can do a min of $10, OR you must believe in welfare, cause someone pays for you)
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To: Kaslin
Well, that, and possibly quite a bit of vote fraud.

You have to remember the Democrats wanted at least some degree of symbolic victory, if not the real thing, so they did all they could for Hairy Reed and Don Cuomo while leaving many lesser entities WITHOUT CAMPAIGN FUNDS or technical support (meaning, voting machine fixers, etc.)

Democrat triage was public information!

You talk about a FAIL, that was a FAIL.

When you lose the House, you have just lost control of appropriations and taxes.

5 posted on 11/06/2010 5:07:16 AM PDT by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: Kaslin

There is nothing wrong with blasting the media as long as you stay on message while you do it.

Example:

“It does not help the economy of this state when you ask biased and inflammatory questions. Let’s get back to what matters to the people of this state. That is my focus and it should be yours. I don’t think the unemployed people in this state appreciate it when you ask me about witchcraft.
Now, here is what I will be doing when I get to Washington...”


6 posted on 11/06/2010 5:07:43 AM PDT by cgbg (No bailouts for New York and California. Let them eat debt.)
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To: Kaslin

The inevitable campaign post-mortems from those “who just weren’t listened to or respected enough.”


7 posted on 11/06/2010 5:09:27 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The credit goes to the citizens. So does the blame. That's the price of being the sovereign.)
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To: xzins

I’m more worried about tampered physical ballots than electronic stuff. democrats tend to ‘find’ whatever physical stuff they need. This whole recounting thing has to end and the only way is with instant ATM style stuff.


8 posted on 11/06/2010 5:09:36 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Kaslin
Something else that Harry had on his side. 12% of his vote was from the Latinos and over 90% of their vote was for him. He has been promising them the “Dream Act” during the last few weeks of campaigning.
9 posted on 11/06/2010 5:09:39 AM PDT by ladyvet (I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Wrong. I was part of a campaign, and this is dead-on advice. The Dems overwhelmed the GOP in Philly with their GOTV logistics and almost overtook Toomey as a result.


10 posted on 11/06/2010 5:13:47 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

I’m not saying it’s all wrong. I’m saying that the article is quite typical. Recriminations always fly fast and furious after any campaign.


11 posted on 11/06/2010 5:16:43 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The credit goes to the citizens. So does the blame. That's the price of being the sovereign.)
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To: Tolsti2

There must be a paper trail and a way to count ballots cast with that number clearly printed at the bottom of a ballot.

I prefer a two machine method. One prints out a scannable ballot on which the voter makes his/her choices. The other is a scan-tron reader.

If there are 500 ballots cast in a precinct, then they have numbers 1-500 and no more than that will be accepted. There will also be 500 signatures of 500 voters. I have to sign in AND present ID at my precinct here in Ohio. Don’t know what’s hard about matching number of signatures with number of ballots.


12 posted on 11/06/2010 5:19:15 AM PDT by xzins (Freep-a-thon--Anyone can do a min of $10, OR you must believe in welfare, cause someone pays for you)
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To: Kaslin
These were due to her getting off the message that the economy sucks and it’s Harry Reid’s fault.

On the other hand, this didn't work too well for Alvin "DeMint caused the recession" Greene.

13 posted on 11/06/2010 5:20:43 AM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: Kaslin

Very, very good analysis.

BUT while the Angle campaign may not have been decisive, by making Harry worried, Dem contributors were forced to divert valuable extra resources to him that might have helped other Dem candidates win.

Sort of like Nazi Germany having to take anti-tank guns away from the Eastern Front to use against Allied bombers.

So, a Pyrrhic victory for Harry?


14 posted on 11/06/2010 5:23:30 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: South Dakota

“Ya forgot to add ‘overwhelming voter fraud.’”

Exactly.


15 posted on 11/06/2010 5:23:48 AM PDT by madmominct
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To: xzins

I just don’t want any scantron-like devices at all. Just too easy to say ‘oh, we found a whole box of stuff that wasn’t scanned’. And then you can have people looking at each one and deciding if a tiny scuff mark on a line is a valid vote or not.

There was no paper involved with the lever machines and those went ok for a long time. If the electronic ones could be audited by both sides and locked down like an ATM, I don’t think it would be a problem.


16 posted on 11/06/2010 5:23:53 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Kaslin
The next war was World War II. That war was won by overwhelming the Axis powers by logistics, not strategy.

Good article, with good military analogies. Where it breaks down is in this statement. If Hitler had not attacked Russia and had to divide his forces, he would have been able to repel any invasion of Europe, no matter the logistics brought to bear against him.

17 posted on 11/06/2010 5:25:56 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire')
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To: EternalVigilance
Angle had a big advantage and squandered it. So it should be studied as an object lesson, which this is doing, or else it will just happen again.

And since you said it isn't all wrong, perhaps you'd like to point out the sections you agree and disagree with.

18 posted on 11/06/2010 5:28:14 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Kaslin
1) There were some in the GOP helping Reid.

2) There were some in the GOP huring Angle.

3) Vote fraud
"Angle Lawyer Requests DOJ Investigation of Reid Campaign, Harrah’s
UPDATE: The (proven-corrupt) Department of Justice declined to comment on the matter."


"Voter Fraud Alleged In Crow Wing County (MN)
he saw what appeared to be staff members of a mental health facility
fill out a client's ballot and tell another client who to vote for during absentee balloting."


"Minnesota GOP Reports 'Unacceptable' Problems With Counting Machines
.... multiple complaints about failing tabulation machines at polling places around the state.
.... complaints about machines in Duluth, Olmsted County, Lakeville,
Faribault, Mendota Heights and Eagan."


"George Soros And The Margin Of Theft
: Tuesday's results overcame many instances of orchestrated vote fraud, but not all.
Now the court cases begin, aided and abetted by the
Secretary of State Project funded by a Hungarian billionaire.
There will be recounts and court cases, and that is
where a state office — the secretary of state — comes into play."


"Angle Camp: Not so fast
Reid never got above 46 percent of the vote
and tonight he gets 51 percent? Ashjian and "none of the above"
got less than 3 percent combined. Something fishy is going on."


"Looks like fraud in spades in Nevada
In the last two weeks 95% of the polls had Angle winning .5 to 3.5%.
Reid is up by 5."


"Union Accused of Voter Fraud Involving Mentally Handicapped
Authorities in Crow Wing County are investigating possible voter fraud
involving people with mental disabilities …. a large group of mentally handicapped
people were told whom to vote for by mental health staff members and that staff filled
out the ballots themselves without the disabled voters close by."


" (Rochester) Offering Voters "Rides to Polls" (Coalition of Black Trade Unionists)
They told people to call the Rochester, NY office of the
COALITION OF BLACK TRADE UNIONISTS for these free rides,
and also said that the information is up on their website."


"National Organization Warns of Illegal Immigrant Voters
On October 28, WSBTV and the Atlanta Journal Constitution reported
that their recent comparison of jury duty records and voter registrations
found hundreds of non-citizens registered to vote and hundreds actually voting!"


"Vote Fraud Woes Already Mar Mid-Term Elections
some Nevadans who have tried voting early for Republican
Senate nominee Sharron Angle instead have seen
Democrat Harry Reid’s name appear on their electronic voting machines.

•Daytona Beach City Commissioner Derrick Henry and Genesis Robinson,
his campaign manager, face voter-fraud charges. In an apparent re-election tactic,
they allegedly completed 92 absentee-ballot applications with the names
of Floridians who never requested them or who had moved away.

•Bucks County, Pennsylvania officials are investigating 500 apparently
fraudulent absentee-ballot applications. Also, the Pennsylvania Voter Assistance
Office sent citizens letters encouraging them to apply for absentee ballots.
No such office exists."



"New Black Panther Seen At Polling Place [same polling place as 2008]
PHILADELPHIA - Fox 29 News spotted Tuesday a member of the New Black Panther Party
standing outside of a local polling place where voter intimidation was reported two years ago."


Diane Sawyer: “A few busloads of people can change a Congressional election”
George Stephanopoulos runs through the generic ballot numbers in the final WaPo/ABC poll
and sees a nine-point flip from registered to likely voters, for a final 4-point Republican lead.
Diane Sawyer then suggests how easily that, er, some folks could change the elections:
“A few busloads of people can change a Congressional elections.”"


"Tsongas told to move away from Tenney polling station
Clerk Christine Touma-Conway said Tsongas, who is running
for reelection against Republican Jon Golnik, went to the
Tenney School to greet voters. While she was there, she was shaking hands
and greeting voters inside the 150-buffer zone that is set by law to keep
campaigners and candidates away from the immediate vicinity
around polling places, Touma-Conway said. Also this morning, Tsongas went to the Timony School to donate baked goods.... "


"Nevada Union Illegally Coordinating with Reid Campaign for Votes
Crum reveals emails between Reid’s office and the union folks
telling them to force their members to get to the polls, setting up bus trips
for that purpose, and even sending a spread sheet file identifying workers who
had and had not voted and for whom they voted. This is all clearly illegal."


"(CT) Hartford and Bridgeport Polls Run Out Of Ballots
Not good. Hartford and Bridgeport are the two largest cities in Connecticut
and are where most Democrap vote fraud occurs."


"Angle Lawyer Requests DOJ Investigation of Reid Campaign, Harrah’s
National Review Online ^ | 11/2/2010 | Katrina Trinko
“The posting details and documents an orchestrated effort by
Harrah’s … to intimidate and coerce Harrah’s employees to vote for
Harry Reid for the United States Senate, to track whether or not employees
had or had not voted and to pressure supervisors to ensure that
the employees reporting to those supervisors were voting.”


"Former F.E.C. official on Reid strong-arming: ‘I’ve never seen anything so blatant’
There are two issues. The first is illegal coordination.
The Reid campaign is specifically asking a corporation with the help of a union to get voters"


"Harry Reid’s Son Oversees Suspect Election Machines In Nevada
Rory Reid, the son of Nevada U.S. Senator Harry Reid,
is in charge of the voting machines that were reported
as malfunctioning and are serviced by the SEIU."


"Sharron Angle's political team has accused Harry Reid of "stealing" the Nevada senatorial election
Free Republic even posted pre-election polling data versus actual returns"


"Harrah’s Bosses Put Squeeze on Employees to Vote in Pro-Reid Effort"


"Team Angle alleges voter intimidation by Reid campaign"


"Angle Accuses Reid Of Bribing For Votes"


"Nevada voting machines automatically checking Harry Reid's name; voting machine technicians are SEIU members"


"Harry Reid's Son in Charge of Nevada Voting Machines Used in Fraud" and related posts "


"The Scandal of Military Voter Disenfranchisement
About 2,500,000 men and women in the Armed Forces are of voting age at the present time.
Many of those in uniform are serving overseas, or in parts of the country distant from their homes.
They are unable to return to their States either to register or to vote.
Several sstates with late primaries applied for and received waivers for 2010,
and agreed to extend the deadline for the return of ballots mailed in from overseas.
In Illinois, the problem was not a late primary. Indeed, Illinois held its 2010 primary on February 2, 2010.
But 35 of 110 Illinois counties seriously missed the September 18 deadline.
One of the late counties was St. Clair County, home to 261,000 people and to Scott Air Force Base.
The U.S. Department of Justice is responsible for enforcing the MOVE Act,
but it seems not to take its responsibilities seriously
DoJ entered into a consent decree with Illinois that does not solve the problem. ”

19 posted on 11/06/2010 5:29:24 AM PDT by Diogenesis ('Freedom is the light of all sentient beings.' - Optimus Prime)
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To: Tolsti2

I want a paper trail. Otherwise, you have no proof whatsoever of a person’s vote.

A scantron printed out from an electronic machine would not have scuff marks.

However, the other points about number of signatures matching number of ballots is critical.

Apparently, we’re going to have to go to a 3 person system for issuing ballots: 1 pub, 1 dem, 1 indy. All must verify each ballot issued. We’ve got to get rid of mail-in ballots altogether, except for our military.

We should not look like a banana republic when it comes to the validity of our elections.


20 posted on 11/06/2010 5:30:21 AM PDT by xzins (Freep-a-thon--Anyone can do a min of $10, OR you must believe in welfare, cause someone pays for you)
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To: canuck_conservative
BUT while the Angle campaign may not have been decisive, by making Harry worried, Dem contributors were forced to divert valuable extra resources to him that might have helped other Dem candidates win.

That's what happened with the campaign I volunteered for in PA-13. Allyson Schwartz had won the previous two elections by over 25 percent. She had a three million war chest that could have gone elsewhere in an easy race. Instead, she had to use it all to defend her seat.

And there is a good chance PA-13 will go bye-bye in redistricting anyway. That would be sweet justice indeed.

21 posted on 11/06/2010 5:30:48 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: xzins; Kaslin; South Dakota; muawiyah; cgbg; EternalVigilance; Tolsti2; ladyvet; dirtboy
So, the only other issue is a better conservative losing in the primary to a lesser conservative. If that “better” conservative lost simply because the “lesser” conservative ran a better campaign, then I’d have to say that the “better” was not really “better.”

If the better lost the primary because he got in late, was a virtual unknown, or became ill, etc., then I’ll regret the Angle race. I do think she squandered an awful lot of time.

One serious problem is that Nevada does not have a primary runoff election. Angle only got about a 35% plurality in the primary to win it. In most states, she would have faced a runoff against the candidate with the second highest vote total. The runoff would have exposed Angle's weaknesses as a candidate. I'm pretty sure she would not have survived a runoff.

22 posted on 11/06/2010 5:32:37 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Tolsti2
I just don’t want any scantron-like devices at all. Just too easy to say ‘oh, we found a whole box of stuff that wasn’t scanned’. And then you can have people looking at each one and deciding if a tiny scuff mark on a line is a valid vote or not.

There's a fix for that, you know.

23 posted on 11/06/2010 5:37:53 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: dirtboy

This guy was hired, apparently, to be the “beat reporter” on this campaign for Pajamas Media. So, he spent the whole time listening to every political hack in Nevada you can imagine on the Republican side complain about how bad the campaign was being run. Dirtboy, those kind of people live to carp. They all are convinced without a shadow of a doubt that they could do the job better than whoever is doing it.

Could the campaign have been run better? Apparently. They lost.

All I’m saying is that I’ll take this piece with a truck load of salt, though.


24 posted on 11/06/2010 5:39:41 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The credit goes to the citizens. So does the blame. That's the price of being the sovereign.)
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To: dirtboy
I was part of a campaign, and this is dead-on advice. The Dems overwhelmed the GOP in Philly with their GOTV logistics and almost overtook Toomey as a result

Yes! this is very true. The patriot and tea party groups have the energy and they have a righteous cause and they can raise money, but they need to professionalize when it comes to GOTV.

25 posted on 11/06/2010 5:40:39 AM PDT by outofstyle (Down All the Days)
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To: Kaslin

The GOP is terrible at GOTV effort. I would say they have No effort.

The GOP in Indiana is just awful. Theu usually never offer much support unless a RINO like Lugar is running.

This seems to be a problem in many states. Sonething needs o change if we are to win the big ones.


26 posted on 11/06/2010 5:45:17 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Kaslin
Isn’t it interesting that every arm chair quarter back would have had the candidate up by double digits with a flawless run up to the election? Never any mention of how anything the conservative candidate said would have been twisted to mean something different then what they really meant. No mention of the GOP leadership wetting their undies when their carefully programmed for leadership candidate lost to a candidate who foolishly thought we should adhere to constitutional principles the people actually chose.

They somehow fail to mention that the leadership of the GOP is so stuck on the power hungry “my turn” mentality and inside the party power struggle that they really don’t care about the people. If they really did care the experienced handlers would have been sent to assist the Angle, O’Donnell, Miller, and other campaigns with all the power of the Party behind them. But no, The candidates that truly wanted to clean up the mess in Washington were shunned by the Party, vilified by the press no matter what they said, and still today fight by themselves to hold out for victory.

Arm chair quarter backs are about as useful as the south end of a dead horse facing north. Most of the time they only stunk up the place while they are alive and aren’t adding anything to the good of the cause now.

27 posted on 11/06/2010 5:46:36 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: EternalVigilance

Once again, I’ll ask a simple question - what part of this article do you agree with and what part do you disagree with?


28 posted on 11/06/2010 5:47:03 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Kaslin

For later read.


29 posted on 11/06/2010 5:48:18 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: dirtboy

The one area in which Republicans consistently trail Democrats is GOTV. We need some competent, knowledgeable political organizers to learn the Democrat methodology and employ it at every election. I think we assume we can win the hearts and minds on our message and we likely do. Getting those hearts and minds to the polls is another thing entirely. Let’s acknowledge what Democrats consistently do better than us, replicate it verbatim (at least the legal parts), double and triple the effort and see what can be accomplished.


30 posted on 11/06/2010 5:50:36 AM PDT by Tucson
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To: xzins

I could possibly go for a paper trail if it was printed directly into some sealed box and they did have to match the # of signatures within maybe .01% or so.

I just hate recounts.. Hate, hate, hate em.


31 posted on 11/06/2010 5:51:52 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: CynicalBear

So tell us, then, what you find wrong with this particular article - and also, were you part of a campaign this time around?


32 posted on 11/06/2010 5:52:17 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Every time I reread it I see more how much the whole thing drips with whining by political hacks and “press” people about how they just weren’t listened to or respected.

If the campaign was surrounded by people like this, that’s almost certainly one of the major reasons Sharron lost.

The writer purports to be writing about a failure of “logistics,” but in fact every part of it reeks of the sort of “strategizing” that takes place in hotel watering holes.


33 posted on 11/06/2010 5:53:29 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The credit goes to the citizens. So does the blame. That's the price of being the sovereign.)
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To: Kaslin

Immigration


34 posted on 11/06/2010 5:53:34 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Kaslin
this strikes me as mostly self-serving and irrelevant campaign consultant clap-trap.

here is the real story from my relatives in reno: harry reid came from behind on the last day because of two actions angle had no way to oppose: (1) his furious ground game (gaming industry support, union arm twisting, free food, free taxis to get out the vote, and on and on).

and (2) because most of the nevada republican establishment were actively knee-capping her, resulting a significant enough portion of rank and file republicans not turning out and/or voting against her for reid.

in other words, reid won because he had a ground game and sharron angle was denied one by her own party. reid won because the much of the republican establishment was actively working for reid (check the endorsement for reid by the repub mayor of reid, for example).
35 posted on 11/06/2010 5:54:13 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: Kaslin

It’s interesting that Sandoval ran so far ahead of both Reids, Rory and Harry, and that there were quite a few more votes cast in the governor’s race.


36 posted on 11/06/2010 5:56:10 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: EternalVigilance

So Harrah’s Reid wins again by hook and crook. The Losers are Nevadans and their economy in decline. Enjoy your leader Harrah’s Reid and his cadre of corrupt thugs taking the state down the sandy cliffs. So much for “Change” mantra of the demoRats by reelecting the same tired old Fraud.


37 posted on 11/06/2010 5:56:51 AM PDT by tflabo
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To: Tucson
There was one campaign where the GOP outdid the Dems in GOTV - Bush 2004. But since then, the GOP has not kept pace.

I know there was a GOTV organization in PA with Corbett and Toomey - but the Dems surpassed that in SE PA and almost overtook Toomey as a result (Onorato was such a lame candidate that it did little for him). The Dems were able to motivate against Toomey because of his conservatism - so right there is an object lesson - if we are going to push for conservative candidates in purple states, we must get out and volunteer to help in the GOTV efforts (I heard the day before the election that that SE Philly GOTV center for the GOP was thinly staffed - while the Dems were pulling out all stops during that time).

38 posted on 11/06/2010 5:56:57 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Tucson
There was one campaign where the GOP outdid the Dems in GOTV - Bush 2004. But since then, the GOP has not kept pace.

I know there was a GOTV organization in PA with Corbett and Toomey - but the Dems surpassed that in SE PA and almost overtook Toomey as a result (Onorato was such a lame candidate that it did little for him). The Dems were able to motivate against Toomey because of his conservatism - so right there is an object lesson - if we are going to push for conservative candidates in purple states, we must get out and volunteer to help in the GOTV efforts (I heard the day before the election that that SE Philly GOTV center for the GOP was thinly staffed - while the Dems were pulling out all stops during that time).

39 posted on 11/06/2010 5:57:00 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: EternalVigilance

Once again, please point out SPECIFICS that you disagree with - all you are doing is making the same kind of whiny commentary that you accuse the author of doing.


40 posted on 11/06/2010 5:57:53 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy; EternalVigilance
This is a good article in that it gives us examples to learn from. It's not just hand wringing, but shows a few good examples of what needs to be done to make a campaign more successful.

I was disappointed more about this campaign than any of the others.

41 posted on 11/06/2010 5:59:48 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Kaslin

Angle lost because of voter fraud pure and simple. It is unbelievable that practically the whole state could turn Republican and Harry Reid keeps his seat. Even Harry’s son lost!!!

The conservatives need to quit pussy-footing around the issue.


42 posted on 11/06/2010 5:59:54 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: dadfly
in other words, reid won because he had a ground game and sharron angle was denied one by her own party.

Ground games aren't that complicated - it largely comes down to numbers and will. And the RNC has a web app where you can run one yourself that would have been made available to Angle.

You call like crazy for the month leading up to the election, re-double your efforts the 72 hours before the election, and then use your calls that have identified supporters to call the afternoon of the election and if needed make personal visits to make sure they vote.

43 posted on 11/06/2010 6:01:23 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: outofstyle

You are absolutely correct. Across the board with some of the new candidates, there was appalling unprofessionalism on the part of their advisers. Anyone who has every worked in high-level politics could see it a mile away.

I have said it before, and I will repeat myself: we need a top-notch conservative organization that will essentially be a free school and consulting firm for first-time candidates. It needs to help in everything from hands-on grassroots organizing, to messaging, to hands-on staffing.

The old Free Congress Foundation was great at this, but with Paul Weyrich’s longterm illness and death, it lost focus. AFP does its best, but as the only legitimate game in town, it is simply stretched too far. ALG’s top guy is very capable, but their heavy-drinking political director is a walking disaster. Most of the other top groups — like LI and ATR simply have other core missions.

The Tea Party Federation’s Mark Lloyd is fully capable of creating and overseeing such an org. He is on their board. Let’s hope they appoint him to do it.


44 posted on 11/06/2010 6:02:11 AM PDT by hampdenkid
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To: dirtboy
So here is a look at the “first-est” logistical reasons Angle lost to Harry Reid:

Can you show me any part of the four points listed that have anything at all to do with campaign logistics? 'Cause I'm not seeing it. All I see there are complaints about strategy, tactics, and criticism of the competence of the candidate and those who were running the campaign (unnamed).

I'm not sure that the writer actually understands anything about campaign logistics.

Reminds me of the line from the Princess Bride:

"I don't think that word means what you think it means."

45 posted on 11/06/2010 6:02:45 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The credit goes to the citizens. So does the blame. That's the price of being the sovereign.)
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To: dirtboy

The PA Dem tv ad were all the same:

“So-and-So voted for the (free trade) bill to ship jobs overseas. Vote for me, I’ll creat jobs.”

I was worried it might work (that strategy had worked in the past two elections), thank goodness for the smarter voters in PA.


46 posted on 11/06/2010 6:03:09 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: outofstyle

The new TEA Party conservatives need to take over the GOP and then we can push foward with GOTV en masse. Look how much success has been accomplished already.
Out with the old RINO’s and in with the new conservative youngbloods.


47 posted on 11/06/2010 6:03:54 AM PDT by tflabo
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To: dadfly
this strikes me as mostly self-serving and irrelevant campaign consultant clap-trap.

here is the real story from my relatives in reno: harry reid came from behind on the last day because of two actions angle had no way to oppose: (1) his furious ground game (gaming industry support, union arm twisting, free food, free taxis to get out the vote, and on and on).

and (2) because most of the nevada republican establishment were actively knee-capping her, resulting a significant enough portion of rank and file republicans not turning out and/or voting against her for reid.

in other words, reid won because he had a ground game and sharron angle was denied one by her own party. reid won because the much of the republican establishment was actively working for reid (check the endorsement for reid by the repub mayor of reid, for example).

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

48 posted on 11/06/2010 6:06:35 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The credit goes to the citizens. So does the blame. That's the price of being the sovereign.)
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To: HarleyD
Angle lost because of voter fraud pure and simple.

Reid won by over five percent. I'm sure there was some voter fraud and we need to address that - but the percentage indicates that Angle fell well short as well.

49 posted on 11/06/2010 6:06:49 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: EternalVigilance
Much of the Angle GOTV operation was by spontaneous activists who were frustrated by the lack of response from the Angle campaign.

Right here is the meat of the logistical issue - if the campaign doesn't take GOTV seriously, it founders - you need your best managers running GOTV - folks who can coordinate a lot of parallel activities.

50 posted on 11/06/2010 6:09:13 AM PDT by dirtboy
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