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Blacks struggle with 72 percent unwed mothers rate
ap.org ^ | November 6, 2010 | Jesse Washington

Posted on 11/06/2010 10:53:29 AM PDT by MamaDearest

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To: Free in Texas
It’a a brilliant scheme, actually. ‘Grow your own’ voters! The Dems are farming them.

Long standing scheme! The statists, the ruling class know that they must have dependents. Without them they are virtually powerless. Yet, the leftists, the ruling class spew the bleeding-heart line in balde face pretense. Wolves in sheep's clothing!

101 posted on 11/06/2010 1:48:18 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The greatest deterrent to liberalism is sunlight.)
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To: Niuhuru
They are CHOOSING to behave irresponsibly.

If you never had to work another day of your life (staying home, watching cable or satellite TV, playing video games, etc.), got free healthcare, free education and food stamps to boot, is that a choice (to go to work daily and pay for babysitters, gasoline, and actually do physical and/or mental work) or too good to pass up?

102 posted on 11/06/2010 1:51:43 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: Beowulf9
Michelle should address this issue, instead of child obesity. It’s far more significant.

But she is so proud of this country...for the first time in her life.

103 posted on 11/06/2010 1:54:30 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The greatest deterrent to liberalism is sunlight.)
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To: MamaDearest

29 of whites is a stunner.

There is no sense of shame or guilt anymore as the coarsening of our culture continues apace.


104 posted on 11/06/2010 1:54:37 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Niuhuru

Indeed. Single mom’ism seems to be a very attractive ideal for the 20 something female crowd now.


105 posted on 11/06/2010 1:55:13 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: MamaDearest
I would post my first reaction, but it's stupid to get suspended (again) for stating the obvious.

b******s!

106 posted on 11/06/2010 2:31:49 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: Grumplestiltskin

“I seriously doubt we will ever be able to restore things “back to kilter” among AA’s.”

Women are hard-wired to want a husband, no matter what cultural overlays may mask that common-sense imperative.

Was looking at some “demotivators” the other day, and stumbled across one that was both offensive and deceptively profound. It was a teeny-bopper slut, depraved beyond her years, wearing a shirt captioned “I own the pussy; I make the rules.”

The solution could start with educating women, both the 72% (probably closer to 90%) of black women and the sluts of other races, to understand that they harm themselves when they allow irresponsible scoundrels to impregnate them.

Then would come the task of teaching them that the only sure way to avoid being impregnated is to refuse to be inseminated; e.g., to take a birth control pill and clasp it firmly between the knees.

If women were “making the rules” in accordance with those two propositions, then the only place men could find intimacy would be within wedlock (exceptions noted but insignificant). They would begin to do the things they have to do to find a bride and keep a family.

Things would begin to get better, slowly at first, then with increasing momentum.

How hard would it be to educate women to accept these two propositions? Well, according to Camile Paglia, not hard at all, as they are congruent with a woman’s basic instincts.

What was difficult was teaching women that being a slut was a good thing. Reversing that should be easier.


107 posted on 11/06/2010 2:47:16 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: kalee

No, with my sister and me, it was alleged to be a peapod. And thanks, now I get it.


108 posted on 11/06/2010 2:50:30 PM PDT by Free in Texas (Let them eat bacon!)
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To: stevio

Duh! And how old was this woman? Probably not more than her mid-30’s. Seriously! This is unbelievable. There are many in the AA community - “mothers” - who are becoming grandmothers by the time they’re in their early-mid 30s. These statistics are horrifying IMHO. 72%? And 50+ amongst hispanics? I truly cannot grasp how seriously horrifying that is and what it bodes for the future for our country with stats like that. It’s scary- scary indeed!


109 posted on 11/06/2010 3:14:52 PM PDT by nfldgirl
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To: kalee

My Momma always said it took her and my dad having their 4th baby to finally figure out what was causing the “problem!” (ha!) sarc/off


110 posted on 11/06/2010 3:20:18 PM PDT by nfldgirl
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To: Tolsti2

Self-absorbed selfishness....on a scale unlike we’ve ever known in this country...and probably the world, for that matter.


111 posted on 11/06/2010 3:22:07 PM PDT by nfldgirl
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To: devane617
The AA community is destroying itself.

In terms of civilized culture, yes; but in terms of population, no. It's the cuckoo problem. Taxpayers pay for the nest, and the population grows.

112 posted on 11/06/2010 3:56:32 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (/s, in case you need to ask)
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To: MamaDearest

There is no struggle, there is cultural promiscuity. Black culture has become matrilineal.

Grandmothers provide money and care.

Males, young males are tolerated for sex. They are then allowed to sponge much as do drone bees.


113 posted on 11/06/2010 4:02:01 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: Mean Maryjean

There’s a problem, since the 90’s for females.


114 posted on 11/06/2010 5:20:55 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Mean Maryjean

That’s what made me realize that her son couldn’t have had 12 kids all by the same woman.


115 posted on 11/06/2010 5:21:24 PM PDT by stevio (-NRA)
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To: MamaDearest

How many of these kids are born with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome?

Addicted to cocaine in the womb?

Heroin?? Meth??

How many of those babies will die from gunshots before they graduate from High School?

Before the complete Middle School?

How many of these kids are burdened from birth with names like Shithead (pronounced Sha-theed), Lemonjello, Asfunzo, and other obviously inappropriate and/or unpronouncible names?

That stat is sickening by itself, but it is just one tiny indicator of an absolute horror that is ongoing in the AA community, and has done nothing but get worse despite Trillions of dollars spent trying to “make it better”.

I do not know what the answer is. I do not know how to make an entire race of people change the attitudes within themselves that are destroying them from the inside out.


116 posted on 11/06/2010 5:45:50 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts!!)
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To: Krankor

This scenario paints the women as victims. The welfare queens who pop out those babies year after year know almost to the dime how much they will receive in benes for each and every one. They are hardly victims.

Another great scam among this subculture comes at tax time. The mothers don’t need the kids as tax deductions, so they ‘sell’ the kids’ as deductions to those who do. Make a couple hundred bucks for each kid.

Sorry, they are far from victims.


117 posted on 11/06/2010 5:47:43 PM PDT by EDINVA (SC)
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To: EDINVA
Remember when Ann Coulter was attacked in her book Guilty: Liberal Victims and their assault on America for devoting an entire chapter on Single Mothers. The chapter was titled Victim of a Crime? Thank a Single Mother. She said “True Single Mothers are women who, by their own volition, have done everything in their power to ruin their children's lives before they are even born.”

I would recommend reading this book to anyone.

118 posted on 11/06/2010 6:45:06 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (John McCain is a proud Ted Kennedy conservative!)
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To: Free in Texas

,,,,”The Dems are farming them’’. Chillingly put but precise. It’s among this sub-culture of sloth and irresponsibility that ignorance breeds and dependence is born. To these people they couldn’t give a rats whisker what kind of government is in power as long as ‘’they gettin’ theirs’’. Totalitarians of the Left know this and exploit this and so do the Democrats. On that basis alone Democrats are reprehensible.


119 posted on 11/06/2010 7:46:42 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: JohnD9207

Oh I DO remember the heat Ann took over that. And the heat Moynihan took. PC started a long time ago. Speaking the straight truth became unacceptable, destroying whole communities.

We’ve all seen so much pain, so many destroyed lives, thanks to all those foolish programs that encouraged children to have children with no father around. Personally, I’ve seen women bury their young sons, and others see their sons incarcerated for life. It’s sickening. But never do they connect those tragedies with having borne the children out of wedlock and raised without fathers.


120 posted on 11/06/2010 8:10:12 PM PDT by EDINVA (SC)
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To: MamaDearest

Struggle?

For all its faults, Liberalism is not forcing these results.


121 posted on 11/06/2010 8:15:39 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: EDINVA
That is why it is imperative that the govt stop after paying for 1 child. I unplanned baby is a mistake, two is a pattern. And that help should last no longer than unemployment. I have 2 adult daughters, and I would break my back supporting them if they had a kid out of wedlock, but first I would break the back of the sperm donor. This might sound harsh, but is it worse than the life a child born under these conditions has to endure?
122 posted on 11/06/2010 8:52:30 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (John McCain is a proud Ted Kennedy conservative!)
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To: Cobra64
Link 1:

http://www.jointcenter.org/DB/factsheet/livarg.htm

Link from Census.Gov:

http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/ms-la/tabch-3.txt

I've read at least one comment that suggested "liberals" did what the KKK could not. That's actually very close to the truth but not quite.

I maintain that who we call "liberal politicians" today are the result of the Democrats shifting their tactics from lynching and repression beginning in the mid 1800s, to repression and family destruction through the welfare system in the 1960s.

123 posted on 11/07/2010 5:18:52 AM PST by apoxonu
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To: northwinds; Yardstick; Farmer Dean; hosepipe; Post Toasties; Black Agnes; blam; Pelham
There is not truth whatsoever that blacks used to have lower illegitimacy rates than whites but it's the politically correct myth that black and white illegitimacy rates after WWII were equal....far from it. How this myth so far from fact persists even on conservative sites once again proves how effective political correctness and it's lies have been.

white rate was....get this...unbelievable...2 percent in 1940s and 3.6% in 1963

last time blacks voted GOP was prior to 1932...for the record

black rate was 16.8% in 1940s and 23.6 percent in 1963...

and they were alarmed about this then even BEFORE the Great Society junk

welfare just worsened it but it's more than that...it's a cultural breakdown and rejection of values and religion based morality that is now considered “extreme” to believe in

and while the black rate has quadrupled, the white rate has increased more than 10 fold proving that welfare and LBJ only made matters worse but neither created the mess nor explain the increase beyond the black community

here is a Government work on the issue from 1963...it explains it all very clearly and shows how far we've fallen with such dire consequence...two Americas basically...those of us clinging to a Norman Rockwell vision of traditionalism and families and those who've abandoned all hope and dignity and have embraced the feral

http://www.dol.gov/oasam/programs/history/moynchapter2.htm

i had a pal over last nite who just moved down from Canada and is rather a libertarian...he's Polish but raised in South Africa....his forst comment to me was why are all the poorer white parts of Nashville area now overrun with chavs or "wiggahs" or whatever the correct term is....it is a major issue here...not so much in Mississippi where I come from but is epidemic in middle TN....it's part of the whole breakdown...it has spread to all groups...when I grew up poor whites had dignity

124 posted on 11/07/2010 9:51:25 AM PST by wardaddy (diversity is only good if you are young and unmarried and chasing women)
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To: Wuli

black illegitimacy rate was 25% prior to welfare state...not an insignificant rate and 8 times that of whites at the time


125 posted on 11/07/2010 9:53:15 AM PST by wardaddy (diversity is only good if you are young and unmarried and chasing women)
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To: wardaddy

“Statistics are like a woman’s bikini, what it reveals is of interest, but what it conceals is vital.” - Igor Karasyck


126 posted on 11/07/2010 9:55:13 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: kelly4c
shame is what dampened the illegitimacy rate even before welfare and the pill and Roe v Wade

it was amongst whites less than one tenth of what it is now and amongst blacks one third

shame worked...and not just on illegitimacy

127 posted on 11/07/2010 9:56:04 AM PST by wardaddy (diversity is only good if you are young and unmarried and chasing women)
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To: yldstrk

it’s irresponsible women too...having babies with idiot rakes whose average IQ barely breaks 80


128 posted on 11/07/2010 9:57:14 AM PST by wardaddy (diversity is only good if you are young and unmarried and chasing women)
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To: Doe Eyes
that's what i often get from these threads and it irks me....at some point we have to realize that some groups have issues more than others

to always claim they are at the mercy of a party or something external makes them seem like helpless pets

the soft bigotry of low expectations...the Dems live for it and brainwashed GOP folks right on this forum do it too

i have lived the world over...the issues facing black culture here is not wholly different than that in Haiti, Jamaica, Brasil, West Africa etc where there is little or no welfare to blame but the crime, illegitimacy and local corruption is the same or worse

129 posted on 11/07/2010 10:02:52 AM PST by wardaddy (diversity is only good if you are young and unmarried and chasing women)
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To: SharpRightTurn

over ten times what it was 40 years ago

black rate has only tripled...it was already fairly high at 23 percent then


130 posted on 11/07/2010 10:04:16 AM PST by wardaddy (diversity is only good if you are young and unmarried and chasing women)
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To: wardaddy

“black illegitimacy rate was 25% prior to welfare state”

When did the period “prior to the welfare state” end?


131 posted on 11/07/2010 10:06:04 AM PST by Wuli
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To: bert; dixiechick2000
around here in metro Nashville, young black men are impregnating ugly fat white women in poorer areas...who used to just be ignored by men...in record numbers....I'd wager at least 1/3rd have one to three or more mixed race kids by different sperm donors...it's incredible...there will be a mulatto bubble in some places in the next generation..

this is not so common all over the South, but middle TN is eat up with it...my friends in NY state say they have never seen anything like what they see here

and given how overweight poorer white girls are now, the picking are plenty

btw...i think these types of women and maybe their counterpart in the black community want to get pregnant no matter since they may fear their opportunities are rather limited...so make hay while the sun shines on them so to speak

132 posted on 11/07/2010 10:10:51 AM PST by wardaddy (diversity is only good if you are young and unmarried and chasing women)
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To: hosepipe

elaborate...what do you think these comparative stats are hiding?


133 posted on 11/07/2010 10:13:30 AM PST by wardaddy (diversity is only good if you are young and unmarried and chasing women)
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To: Wuli

Welfare as we know it instituted by LBJ and Congress including some GOP too was first implemented in stages between 1964-1966

There had been some programs prior to that time since the New Deal but LBJ and his supporters in Congress took it to a new level

according to the data I mined on this thread from DOL source...black rate was 23.6 in 1963 just before this....white rate 3.6...we all know how it’s gone since


134 posted on 11/07/2010 10:19:13 AM PST by wardaddy (diversity is only good if you are young and unmarried and chasing women)
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To: wardaddy

Thanks for the correction. I liked the (erroneous) figure not out of anything to do with PC but because it seemed to clearly pin the blame for black family breakdown on Great Society liberalism. An actual figure of 17% muddies the waters somewhat but I think the point still holds, though it needs to be widened some to include the effects of the 60s social revolution which affected whites too.


135 posted on 11/07/2010 10:19:53 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: wardaddy
There is an island in the Caribbean called Hispaniola. It is divided into two countries, the Dominican Republic and Haiti.

The Dominica Republic has a per capita GDP of $9,208 while Haiti has per capita GDP of $733.

One country is 11% black, the other 90%. Guess which?

136 posted on 11/07/2010 10:25:02 AM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Yardstick

I think Great Society worsened it for all dependent groups on programs but black culture already had a disproportionate problem made worse.

But it’s more than just welfare.

It’s inherent culture and a breakdown in morality.

Illegitimacy and serial marriage-less fathering is pervasive in black culture worldwide...but they are not the only group...many Amerindians all over the western Hemisphere and some Polynesian groups and some Pacific dwellers..and poor whites as well as latinos have had their rates surge ...in Europe it’s an issue in places but whites have such low fertility there that few notice

there is a dearth of material out there on worldwide rates...nobody dare mention it


137 posted on 11/07/2010 10:34:47 AM PST by wardaddy (diversity is only good if you are young and unmarried and chasing women)
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To: Doe Eyes
I lived and worked in Haiti in the late 80s and early 90s after Duvalier fell from power but I ultimately had to flee for my life over a cement shipment gone bad where a rich Haitian owed me around 40K remaining for a 75,000 bag load and i punched him in the mouth on the cafe deck of the now collapsed Hotel Montana and his daddy got the Guarde after me..lol...I snuck over the Santo Domingo on a little 172 in the middle of the night with no exit papers...the customs at Dom Rep understood

Had I been thrown in the National Penitentiary in Port Au Prince I would have likely perished

in those days Haiti was just one coup after another

marriage in Haiti is non existent except in business classes and the mulatto bourgeoisie

138 posted on 11/07/2010 10:41:08 AM PST by wardaddy (diversity is only good if you are young and unmarried and chasing women)
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To: MamaDearest

“struggle”? To struggle they would need to care.


139 posted on 11/07/2010 10:41:51 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: wardaddy

That may be true.

But, the social destruction of the black family, on a statistically large scale did not begin suddenly with the LBJ welfare legislation.

It began slowly, and increased from the mid-fifties into the 1960s, in the post WWII boom that saw big employment opportunity increases predominately in the mid-west and the northeast, but not in the south, where the largest black populations were at the time.

That period saw a huge migration to the northeast and the mid-west of the south’s least educated, least well-positioned blacks (blacks who needed a job most, not the southern blacks who needed a job the least), predominately from the rural south and predominately males who predominately went north on their own.

Many middle class blacks of big mid-western cities moved to the “suburbs” as this “underclass” filled their neighborhoods and helped create northeast and mid-western ghettos. I know folks in Chicago and New York who witnessed this transformation.

Many did get jobs in the “booming” mid-west, but many of their fellow southern migrants did not, and did not obtain the financial status for building a family; and being beyond high school age did not get further education. Both the migration and the increases of black unemployment in the northeast and the mid-west, in the post WWI period is evident in the census and economic data of the period.

A decade after that process began, “welfare” did not create those conditions that I just mentioned, nor did it create the cultural conditions that helped determine how the blacks caught up in it responded to it either; it just helped sustain, helped prop-up, the pathologies of broken families, instead of incentivizing toward correcting them.

The primary focus of “support” against the 1960s conditions in mid-west and northeast ghettos needed to go to private capital-based job creation, and education and job training for the former southern migrants to encourage the lesser creation of single unemployed males. Instead, most of what “welfare” financed was single-parent female headed households, even to the discouragement of them marrying the men who fathered their children.

“Welfare” did not single-handedly create that which “welfare” DID make a worse mess of.


140 posted on 11/07/2010 11:05:46 AM PST by Wuli
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To: MamaDearest

I;m actually on SSD and stamps right now and building my own business. I had a total meltdown some time ago. I didn’t choose to have a meltdown and I’m not screwing around and popping out illegitimate kids.


141 posted on 11/07/2010 1:28:46 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: wardaddy
[ elaborate...what do you think these comparative stats are hiding? ]

Treason, the dictatorship of the proletariat, "1984", conspiracy........

Not massive single conspiracy, but a plethora of little conspiracy's..
<<- Cloward-Piven, Saul Alinsky tactics with Rules for Radicals,
hidden also are covert PROGRESSIVE REPUBLICANS or Big government republicans,

Many things are hidden most of which is not really known but suspected..
Because Obama is a Post Turtle..

142 posted on 11/07/2010 4:06:09 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Wuli
That was my point....black illegitimacy rate was already very high....8 times that of whites ...on record by Dept of Labor stats in 1963....before the Great Society and welfare as we know it

my question and guesses...were as to why?

and btw...having lived in black culture from Mississippi to Haiti to Sierra Leone to Jamaica and other “black” nations...it's an issue worldwide

folks here ascribe welfare to remove blame

when conservatives do that we are no different than the left are we

but still...why does the nuclear family not take hold the same?

i think the reasons are old and inherent from many many years of cultural isolation from before coming here

143 posted on 11/08/2010 8:42:35 AM PST by wardaddy (diversity is only good if you are young and unmarried and chasing women)
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To: wardaddy

“i think the reasons are old and inherent from many many years of cultural isolation from before coming here”

Yes - the big migration of blacks from the south to the mid-west and northeast after WWII WAS (statistically in the majority) from the most culturally isolated segments of southern blacks; those already least assimilated into even the successful segments of their own demographic in the south.

CULTURE. I believe, IS the biggest factor - not genetics.

Yes, in many parts of the world culture is as “inherited” as is the physical genetics, but I believe culture is even stronger than genetics.

Why? Because I have known TOO many individuals in too many segments of the American “black” population, both “African-American” and immigrants, and children of immigrants from Africa WHERE the cultural influences that contribute to large scale single-parent households were rejected. They rejected them because their inherited culture, from their families, strongly rejected them. I can’t believe that they have vastly different “genes”, physically, than their fellow blacks.

Even in this vast country, there may be a very generalized national culture, but the most influential cultural influences are those closest to us, those that most dominate our family, friends and peers. Those influences, for good or ill, can, in the extreme “isolate” us in the sense that they may not match some dominate norm.

And, yes, particularly in the case of an island nation, an isolated and dominate “bad” culture can become a self-perpetuating nightmare. What I have found, in my New York experience, is that the best Haitians have always left if they can (which, necessary for their own salvation or not, left fewer influences for change “back home”).


144 posted on 11/08/2010 11:18:59 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli; wardaddy
“i think the reasons are old and inherent from many many years of cultural isolation from before coming here”

The reasons are no older than LBJ's War on Poverty. Before that, the rate of out-of-wedlock births among the black middle class population was just about the same as that of the white middle class population. As a group, blacks were improving more rapidly educationally and economically up until LBJ's assault than any other "minority" ethnic/racial group in U.S. history. Whereas plantation owners strongly encouraged marriage and monogamy amongst slaves because it lessened troubles and brought social stability, the new plantation owner LBJ gave financial incentives to discourage it. That and the destruction of many urban neighborhoods through the Urban Renewal program brought us to where we are today.
145 posted on 11/08/2010 11:48:27 AM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan

“Whereas plantation owners strongly encouraged marriage and monogamy amongst slaves because it lessened troubles and brought social stability”

Historical nonsense.

Plantation owners did as you say only so as far as it served their interest and just as often broke families up because it, financially, served their interest - selling husbands, wives and children with equal regularity, if and when doing so served their - the plantation owners - needs.

You can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

Also, correlation is not causation. LBJ and his welfare programs did not, on their own, create the rise in unwed mothers among blacks. It was already beginning to do that before his programs. The problem with his programs were they did not help, they made things worse; the incentivized single-parent female headed households and failed to do the opposite. They subsidized a bad situation, which propagated the culture of it to the next, and the next, and the next generation. We tried to start to correct it in the 1990s with welfare reform, but culture is stronger even than economics and the bad attitudes continue to prevail among too many.

This is a job for the churches more so than the economists and politicians.


146 posted on 11/08/2010 12:48:22 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli
Historical nonsense.

Plantation owners did as you say only so as far as it served their interest and just as often broke families up because it, financially, served their interest - selling husbands, wives and children with equal regularity, if and when doing so served their - the plantation owners - needs.


Looks like you're dealing with outmoded "research" done prior to the 1930s. Not only that, you're arguing a priori and from faulty premises. That's a bad thing to do when referencing history. Try Time on the Cross: The Economics of American Negro Slavery By Robert Fogel for something more up-to-date. I'll bet you didn't know either that the lifetime expropriation of a slave's production was around %10 or that a higher percentage of free Southern blacks owned black slaves than did Southern whites.
147 posted on 11/08/2010 2:40:38 PM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan; Wuli

the illegitimacy rates between whites and blacks prior to the Great Society were nowhere near the same...there was a huge disparity

in 1963 per US Dept of Labor...PRIOR to the welfare programs we now know

http://www.dol.gov/oasam/programs/history/moynchapter2.htm

white rate was 3 percent and the black rate was 23 percent

that means the black rate prior to welfare was already EIGHT TIMES that of whites

Welfare made it worse for both but the black rate since then has merely tripled while the white rate has gone up 9 fold

I will never understand why so many conservatives always look for someone to blame for black woes besides blacks themselves...we sure don’t do that for whites.

Do we blame the 9 fold increase in illegitimacy for whites since Great Society on welfare or have whites done it to themselves?


148 posted on 11/08/2010 4:41:32 PM PST by wardaddy (diversity is only good if you are young and unmarried and chasing women)
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To: wardaddy
that means the black rate prior to welfare was already EIGHT TIMES that of whites

How did the rates between black and white middle class compare?
149 posted on 11/08/2010 4:43:03 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Wuli

genes and culture present the chicken egg argument

hell if I know

I also think Christianity and Judaism fostered nuclear family concept...but not exclusively

I’m not sure what other cultures reject nuclear families historically but I’m sure Sub Saharan tribal types are not the only ones


150 posted on 11/08/2010 4:45:38 PM PST by wardaddy (diversity is only good if you are young and unmarried and chasing women)
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