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Another strange occurance at my church tonight (possibly terror related)
11/6/10 | 1curiousmind

Posted on 11/06/2010 5:38:04 PM PDT by 1curiousmind

I hesitate to write this because I don't want to come off as paranoid. But I figured its worth it to share info just in case there really is something in the planning stages.

Especially after the church masacre last week in Baghdad, I believe that it is highly possible that a similar attack could take place in the US.

Tonight 4 middle-eastern men were seen down our childrens' wing at our church. They were walking briskly and talking in Arabic.

A woman spotted them at the other end of the hall. She tried to catch up to them but they exited into the lobby and by the time she got to it they had disappeared. A few people looked but no one saw them leave the building.

There was no reason for anyone to be down that hallway. There were no children's programs going. It's possible that they could have taken a wrong turn. But it just doesn't feel right.

This is the 3rd incident since last March involving young middle-eastern men. The first one involved them asking odd questions about the size of our services, questions about the children's area, even requesting a layout of the building.

The FBI has been alerted and its been discovered that at least one other church in the area has had a similar incident take place.

I'm writing this here because I think there are alot of FReepers who attend church. I would ask you to inquire whether anything unusual has happened in recent months in your church. Especially if you are a large church. And especially if you are located in the Detroit area.

We must be willing to think about these things (not obsess over them) but reasonably consider the possibility. Thank you.


TOPICS: US: Michigan; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arabiclanguage; church; illinois; islamic; michigan; middleeastern; middleeasternmen; suspiciousincident; tennessee; terror; terrorism; tm; vanity
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1 posted on 11/06/2010 5:38:09 PM PDT by 1curiousmind
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To: 1curiousmind

CALL THE FBI QUICKLY!!!!!!


2 posted on 11/06/2010 5:40:13 PM PDT by Citizen Soldier ("You care far too much what is written and said about you." Axelrod to Obama 2006)
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To: 1curiousmind

The local cops should be alerted and be in the area during services.

You are paying them with your and the congregation member’s tax money.


3 posted on 11/06/2010 5:40:45 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: 1curiousmind

I think you are being scoped out.

It would maybe be a good idea to hire an armed off-duty policeman or two to attend services for awhile.


4 posted on 11/06/2010 5:40:46 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: 1curiousmind

And you are where? I’d be suspicious, and I’d be locking extra doors and maybe even posting guards at the one door that opened out. Safe > sorry. Esp as it has happened 3 times.

Wise as serpents, gentle as doves.


5 posted on 11/06/2010 5:41:20 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: 1curiousmind

it sure sounds suspicious to me. Asking the size of the service? I do hope that officials have been alerted.


6 posted on 11/06/2010 5:41:50 PM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: 1curiousmind

Call the authorities ASAP!!!


7 posted on 11/06/2010 5:41:53 PM PDT by airborne (Why is it we won't allow the Bible in school, but we will in prison? Think about it.)
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To: Cindy

Hmmmmm-worthy...

Ping


8 posted on 11/06/2010 5:41:55 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: 1curiousmind

Dry run in Baghdad. Your church is next, obviously.


9 posted on 11/06/2010 5:42:22 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: CondorFlight

Maybe pay for one but also ask the police department to have another driving around. They people attending are tax payers in the community.

All the men in the congregation should be made aware.


10 posted on 11/06/2010 5:42:31 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Citizen Soldier

I did. In fact, an FBI agent attends our church. I called him and let him know. I am waiting to see if there is any reasonable explanation for this. Maybe there is. I certainly hope so.

I will post an update if there is any clarification.


11 posted on 11/06/2010 5:42:48 PM PDT by 1curiousmind
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To: 1curiousmind

You should make a report to your local authorities. It’s their job to make the determination if this is something to be concerned about or not.


12 posted on 11/06/2010 5:43:05 PM PDT by Errant
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To: 1curiousmind
This is the 3rd incident since last March involving young middle-eastern men. The first one involved them asking odd questions about the size of our services, questions about the children's area, even requesting a layout of the building.

WT? Layout of the building?!

13 posted on 11/06/2010 5:43:11 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: 1curiousmind

Surveillance cameras sound called for.


14 posted on 11/06/2010 5:43:53 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: 1curiousmind

Michigan is now “shall issue” CCW. People should get a license and carry.


15 posted on 11/06/2010 5:43:53 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: CondorFlight

“It would maybe be a good idea to hire an armed off-duty policeman or two to attend services for awhile.”

Shouldn’t be necessary if the parishioners are armed. Should have two men stationed at each entrance.


16 posted on 11/06/2010 5:43:57 PM PDT by mark3681
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To: Frantzie

The congregation should be made aware, and be made participants in safety measures. They should know where to go, how to exit quickly, what doors to lock, etc.

If anything happens, their escape should go off like a drill.


17 posted on 11/06/2010 5:44:22 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: 1curiousmind
What state and town is this?

If something like what you and I hope never happens, happens. It will be whatever jihad is only in reverse.

18 posted on 11/06/2010 5:44:32 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts!)
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To: 1curiousmind

I agree with everyone - call the authorities. Remember the story of actor James Woods witnessing a dry run on one of his flights before a month before 9/11? Mohammed Atta was one of the guys.


19 posted on 11/06/2010 5:45:29 PM PDT by peggybac (Restore America and restore her honor.)
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To: 1curiousmind

I’d find out if a member of the congregation owns or works for a security firm that includes hidden cameras, etc.

It would be a tremendous help for law enforcement if they could not only observe the identities of these guys, but also their BEHAVIOR.


20 posted on 11/06/2010 5:45:37 PM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: 1curiousmind

I didn’t even read all the way through your post because thousands or hundreds of thousands of “scoping out” incidents were reported after 9-11, many of them on the stupid threat matrix threads here. Nothing ever came of any of them. Of course, something will come of one some day, but you will become crazy expecting it to happen in your town.


21 posted on 11/06/2010 5:45:48 PM PDT by steve86
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To: Frantzie
All the men in the congregation should be made aware.

All adult members of the congregation should be trained and armed.

22 posted on 11/06/2010 5:46:24 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: 1curiousmind

Yikes, I’d be thinking shades of the Beslan Massacre.


23 posted on 11/06/2010 5:46:35 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: 1curiousmind

Call the F.B.I.

Call the police.

Let your Pastor know

Make sure your Pastor tells the ADULTS in the congregation.

If you don’t have middle eastern types going to your church - this is very odd.


24 posted on 11/06/2010 5:46:39 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: narses

Ping. I think you might want to see this one.


25 posted on 11/06/2010 5:47:30 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf ( Return to the Constitution.)
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To: 1curiousmind

Do you normally ask for this is you are a visiting quest?

“This is the 3rd incident since last March involving young middle-eastern men. The first one involved them asking odd questions about the size of our services, questions about the children’s area, even requesting a layout of the building. “

I wouldn’t.


26 posted on 11/06/2010 5:47:43 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: 1curiousmind

Do you normally ask for this is you are a visiting quest?

“This is the 3rd incident since last March involving young middle-eastern men. The first one involved them asking odd questions about the size of our services, questions about the children’s area, even requesting a layout of the building. “

I wouldn’t.

BTW, did anyone ASK them WHY they wanted this?

I would have because it is so “unusual”.


27 posted on 11/06/2010 5:48:18 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: 1curiousmind
The FBI has been alerted and its been discovered that at least one other church in the area has had a similar incident take place.

That's really all you can do. I hate seeing it but keeping the doors locked might not be a bad idea. Depending on how much parishoners are willing to pay they could also consider an electronic locking system where people need to be buzzed in.
28 posted on 11/06/2010 5:48:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: 1curiousmind

tmi.....Tipoffs like this help the terrorists...Contact FBI


29 posted on 11/06/2010 5:48:54 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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good, he is probably checking it out thru the right channels via surveillance

sounds like the 9/11 terrorists who only wanted to learn to fly a plane and not learn to land it

with zer0 out of country I would go somewhere else

30 posted on 11/06/2010 5:49:15 PM PDT by Citizen Soldier ("You care far too much what is written and said about you." Axelrod to Obama 2006)
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To: stevio; All

We are located in SE Michgan. Yes, we’re reasonably close to Dearborn.

Like I said, the FBI has been officially alerted in the past two instances. This latest one has not been officially reported yet. You can read my past posts if you want to read more on the first incident.

My reason for posting was not to be alarmist, but to see if there is any pattern out there that might indicate that this is happening at other churches.


31 posted on 11/06/2010 5:49:16 PM PDT by 1curiousmind
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To: 1curiousmind

Report this.

Also to your pastor and congregation.


32 posted on 11/06/2010 5:50:36 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: 1curiousmind

God be with you and stay vigilant.


33 posted on 11/06/2010 5:50:50 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts!)
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To: greyfoxx39; CedarDave

Ping

I think it might be worth passing to other church attending people on our ping lists.


34 posted on 11/06/2010 5:51:53 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: pollywog

And who asks for the layout of a building?


35 posted on 11/06/2010 5:52:19 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: steve86

TCBE.


36 posted on 11/06/2010 5:53:20 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: PapaBear3625
?Michigan is now “shall issue” CCW. People should get a license and carry.,/p>

Unfortunately it's illegal to carry in a church in Michigan, even when you have a permit. I'm not sure whether the pastor can authorize it. That would be worth checking.

37 posted on 11/06/2010 5:53:21 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book, RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. More @ www.book-resistancetotyranny.com)
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To: Quix

Ping

Thought you might have a ping list of people that attend church and/or religious ceremonies....


38 posted on 11/06/2010 5:53:37 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: leapfrog0202; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; ...
FYI ping

Thanks Froggie

39 posted on 11/06/2010 5:53:42 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: 1curiousmind

We have caught them in downtown Houston taking pictures of exit doors; etc.


40 posted on 11/06/2010 5:53:47 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: nmh; 1curiousmind

” Call the F.B.I. “

Keep in mind that in Janet Napolitano’s twisted thinking, *you* - as a churchgoing patriot - are the terrorist suspect......


41 posted on 11/06/2010 5:54:03 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: 1curiousmind

As others have said this sounds really bad. Call the FBI now!


42 posted on 11/06/2010 5:54:37 PM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013- The end of an error.)
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WARNING.....
Not for the squeamish.

All cultures are equal? REALLY?

Thursday, November 04, 2010
“Stop Muslim Persecution and Wholesale Slaughter of Christians in Iraq”

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/11/stop-muslim-persecution-and-wholesale-slaughter-of-christians-in-iraq.html


43 posted on 11/06/2010 5:55:11 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: 1curiousmind

Old saying: “Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you”.


44 posted on 11/06/2010 5:55:42 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Obama will sink as fast as he rose. (False) Idolatry will not succeed. Be patient, folks...)
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To: 1curiousmind
...at least they weren't Episcopalians...

(If you ever see 'Bishop' Spong show up, you'd have to fumigate the place...)

45 posted on 11/06/2010 5:55:49 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: 1curiousmind

Put out armed guards. Do not take this lightly.


46 posted on 11/06/2010 5:56:00 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (the way to win this game is not to play)
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To: skr

Jason Bourne?


47 posted on 11/06/2010 5:56:23 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: peggybac
The interesting part of the Woods story is that this was BEFORE we were aware of this monster called "Terrorism" in our country. The Embassies, the Cole...That's different...

Woods must have superior gut instincts.

48 posted on 11/06/2010 5:57:38 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: combat_boots

The Pastor and security team are aware.

Again, its early on. There might be a reasonable explanation for who they were and why they were there.

But before it got too late, and given that tomorrow is Sunday, I felt it was worth sharing it just in case someone else out there has had something similar happen.


49 posted on 11/06/2010 5:57:46 PM PDT by 1curiousmind
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To: Sopater; Quix; Salvation; WKB; Vision; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; adopt4Christ; ..

Ping.

And if there’s anyone else who you think ought to know about this, pass it on.


50 posted on 11/06/2010 5:58:54 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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