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Barack Obama joined Muslim prayers at school, teacher says
The Times ^ | November 08, 2010 | Anne Barrowclough

Posted on 11/07/2010 2:39:07 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper

AS a schoolboy in Jakarta, Barack Obama attended Muslim prayer sessions with his classmates against the wishes of his mother.

The US President's former grade three teacher said that Mr Obama - who was known as "Barry" when he attended the Menteng One school in Jakarta - studied the Koran and went to classes on Islam, despite the objections of Anne Dunham, a Roman Catholic.

The teacher's recollections will add to speculation about Mr Obama's links to Islam during his much-anticipated visit to Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as part of his ten-day tour of Asia.

His middle name, Hussein, and the fact that his stepfather was a Muslim, have combined to perpetuate rumours about Mr Obama's religious leanings. The number of Americans who think that he is a Muslim has grown since his inauguration to one in five.

Start of sidebar. Skip to end of sidebar. End of sidebar. Return to start of sidebar. Mr Obama moved to Indonesia with his mother and Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, when he was 6, and lived there for four years. In his memoirs he recalled his time in the country as the "bounty of a young man's life" and there is affection and pride among Indonesians for the boy who ended up as President of the United States.

The teacher, Effendi, who taught at Menteng One for 29 years, remembers Mr Obama as a "fat, curly-haired, curious boy".

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KEYWORDS: fatboy; husseinobama; indonesia; islam; jakarta; koran; muslim; muslimstudents; obama; obamaboyhood; obamaindiatrip; obamajihad; obamamuslim; obamuslim
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1 posted on 11/07/2010 2:39:10 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

This going get good how about that Mr President


2 posted on 11/07/2010 2:40:56 PM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us ,resistance is futile")
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To: Berlin_Freeper
The teacher, Effendi, who taught at Menteng One for 29 years, remembers Mr Obama as a "fat, curly-haired, curious boy".

Please keep him and do us all a favor.

3 posted on 11/07/2010 2:41:11 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

IIRC Stanley Dunham, his mother was an atheist/Marxist. So too were her parents.


4 posted on 11/07/2010 2:42:13 PM PST by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God 's redemption.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
studied the Koran and went to classes on Islam, despite the objections of Anne Dunham, a Roman Catholic.

OF COURSE HE DID. If she objected, it wasn't because she was a Roman Catholic, it was because she was an atheist.

5 posted on 11/07/2010 2:42:28 PM PST by FTJM
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Aren't all boys curious? DUH! If they aren't, they aren't breathing.

will add to speculation about Mr Obama's links to Islam

No more is needed - it's not rocket science.
6 posted on 11/07/2010 2:43:56 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Anne Dunham, a Roman Catholic.

First time I've ever read that his mother was a Catholic.

At any rate

Obama is merely behaving like HIS president did.

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Left, Obama's childhood president, el-Haj Mohammed Suharto (aka, Soeharto)
Right, Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro

We NEVER should have elected a president who spent four of his formative school years in a country run by a dictator.

Obama obviously picked up some bad ideas and thinks presidents have the right to run the lives of their citizens.

7 posted on 11/07/2010 2:43:59 PM PST by syriacus (Bubbles against religious expression are OK around abortion clinics, but not OK around Ground Zero.)
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To: FTJM

Is anyone still seriously saying that this man is NOT a practicing Muslim???


8 posted on 11/07/2010 2:44:13 PM PST by Jerrybob
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Roman Catholic? First I ever heard that. Grandma was a left-wing Unitarian. Ann was a Communist with a habit of marrying Muslims.

And if you go to a Muslim country and marry a Muslim, then you are expected to be a Muslim yourself, at least superficially.


9 posted on 11/07/2010 2:46:08 PM PST by Cicero
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Momma might have been born a Catholic....but she had not one but 2 Muslim husbands and was supposedly an atheist which I don't think anyone has proven beyond a doubt.

In the real world of that day, she renounced both her religion and her citizenship via her marriages.

P.S. That makes Barak a non-citizen under the "Natural Born Citizen" clause of the Constitution. It's purpose was obviously "Undivided Loyalty" to the USA. Obama is not a "loyal" American and wasn't raised as one.

10 posted on 11/07/2010 2:46:30 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Obama always appears at his best when he is off of American land it appears.
11 posted on 11/07/2010 2:47:25 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
The image of a UNITED STATES PRESIDENT down on all fours like an animal bowing his head towards Mecca and his up in the air arse towards America.........................!!!!!
12 posted on 11/07/2010 2:47:38 PM PST by Happy Rain ("So this is how a black man leads America.")
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Anyone who comes up with “Do unto others as they would do unto you” has definitely received islamic teachings.


13 posted on 11/07/2010 2:47:53 PM PST by Hoodat ( .For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.d)
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To: syriacus

Stanley Anne Durham was NOT a Catholic!!! Her parents were COMMUNISTS and went to a “RED” Church!


14 posted on 11/07/2010 2:49:28 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Jerrybob
Is anyone still seriously saying that this man is NOT a practicing Muslim???

I am and flame me if you want.

This man Obama isn't practicing, he is professing!

15 posted on 11/07/2010 2:50:03 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

His mother was an atheist.


16 posted on 11/07/2010 2:50:22 PM PST by submarinerswife (Stay focused and determined. Our destination is NOVEMBER!!)
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To: Jerrybob

I don’t think this cretin has the moral fortitude to ‘practice’ any religion. However that doesn’t touch his ideology, and I think Islam IS a part of his.

Either way, he is a target of Muslims because he publicly renounced it even though he was created one by virtue of his birth. The same muslim father from British Kenya who’s DNA makes him an usurper in the White House.

Only an idiot would go to the most heavily populated muslim country under those circumstances. But then we are talking about Barry who makes a pet rock look brilliant.


17 posted on 11/07/2010 2:51:04 PM PST by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

.....As a schoolboy in Jakarta, Barack Obama attended Muslim prayer sessions with his classmates....

That’s old news.

.......[obama] studied the Koran and went to classes on Islam, despite the objections of Anne Dunham, a Roman Catholic.

That’s new news (that his mother was Roman Catholic, and objected to obama’s muslim practice)!!!!

obama was and is a muslim! He does everything possible to sell America out to islam and sharia. This trip (which is also overly luxurious at a time when many Americans are hurting and the Federal budget is extremely bloated) is part and parcel of that sell-out!!!!


18 posted on 11/07/2010 2:55:36 PM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: SandRat
The teacher, Effendi, who taught at Menteng One for 29 years, remembers Mr Obama as a "fat, curly-haired, curious boy".

Synonyms for "curious":

curious, funny, odd, peculiar, queer, rum, rummy, singular strange (vs. familiar), unusual
19 posted on 11/07/2010 2:56:06 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Berlin_Freeper

He is kind of a shmuck for NOT going to his old school. He probably would except that he doesn’t want stories like THIS one to get out, about how crazy he was about the Koran. The thing is, a fatherless boy finally gets a father, so of course he is going to want to do what new Daddy does. That doesn’t bother me in the least.

The behavior of an 8-year-old boy is not threatening. This was his world back then.


20 posted on 11/07/2010 2:57:33 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
The thing is, a fatherless boy finally gets a father, so of course he is going to want to do what new Daddy does.

That's one of the first things I thought.

The behavior of an 8-year-old boy is not threatening. This was his world back then.

The behavior of the 49 year old boy now, though, is threatening.
21 posted on 11/07/2010 3:06:01 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I thought this was common knowledge.


22 posted on 11/07/2010 3:11:38 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Of course he joined in the Moselm prayers.

He calls it the HOLY Quron.


23 posted on 11/07/2010 3:16:58 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I pretty much take it for granted that 0bama was Muslim for a good part of his life. I’ve heard that he was a professed Muslim until he married Michelle & presumably then joined the Wright cult.


24 posted on 11/07/2010 3:22:22 PM PST by Post Toasties
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To: Berlin_Freeper; Red Steel; Fred Nerks; Danae; butterdezillion; rxsid; thecodont; bushpilot1

His mother was not a Roman Catholic, according to any
prevailing knowledge or research. The writer needs
is obviously very uninformed.


25 posted on 11/07/2010 3:26:05 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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Ooops ..

The writer IS obviously very uninformed.


26 posted on 11/07/2010 3:27:08 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: presently no screen name

Hello my middle name is Hussein, my father and stepfather are Muslims.

One in five of you think I am Muslim? derp derp!


27 posted on 11/07/2010 3:28:29 PM PST by omega4179 (Quem deus vult perdere, dementat prius)
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To: SevenofNine

He doesn’t care anymore than he cared about the people’s voice against healthcare. He’s a muslim and he laughs at the idiots who believe otherwise.

I just wish one person would ask him “Mr. President. Please answer “yes” or “no”. Are you a muslim?” I don’t want to hear him lie and say “I’m a Christian”. I want him to deny islam.


28 posted on 11/07/2010 3:37:26 PM PST by Terry Mross
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To: aruanan
The behavior of the 49 year old boy now, though, is threatening.

Very much so.

It is ESSENTIAL to remember to NEVER nominate a very needy person as President. A swift perusal of his past would have told anyone this would be a very dangerous man.

29 posted on 11/07/2010 3:38:07 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Berlin_Freeper
OBAMA: Muslim call to prayer "one of the prettiest sounds on earth."

"...in an interview with Nicholas Kristof published in the New York Times.

"Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer," this is a quote from Nicholas Kristof, "reciting them with a first-rate [Arabic] accent."

Now, the first lines of this call to prayer, the Adhan, when translated (and this is in the New York Times. It's a Nicholas Kristof piece) is:

"Allah is supreme,
Allah is supreme,
Allah is supreme,
Allah is supreme.
I witness that there is no god but Allah."

That's the Muslim call to prayer, and Obama told Nicholas Kristof... He recited it and said that it was "one of the prettiest sounds on earth."

Obama and Islam: The Third Rail in American Politics


30 posted on 11/07/2010 3:40:03 PM PST by Iron Munro (Buy Ammo, Food and TP - You cannot consume what no one has produced.)
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To: Yaelle
I went back looking through my email and found this written to my parents about Barry back in January of 07 (I live in Hyde Park and have heard of him since before he was running for state office in Illinois:
I've read some quotes from one of Barack Obama's books and it just feels false. It feels as though it's someone writing things with a specific audience in mind, as though he's trying to make himself seem a certain way and not quite pulling it off. Things just don't seem to ring true. Doesn't he realize that virtually every American black whose family goes back at least a hundred years is of mixed race? He was abandoned by his Kenyan father when he was two and his parents divorced. His atheist mother then got involved with another Muslim guy, this time from Indonesia and moved him off down there until she left him when Barack was about 9 or 10. Then he returned to Hawaii where he lived through high school. Keep in mind that Hawaii is a land of many races and mixed races. But he says stuff like this:
"In his first memoir, “Dreams from My Father,” Obama observed that when people discover his mixed-race heritage, they make assumptions about “the mixed blood, the divided soul, the ghostly image of the tragic mulatto trapped between two worlds.”

"Indeed, Obama acknowledges feeling tormented for much of his life by “the constant, crippling fear that I didn't belong somehow, that unless I dodged and hid and pretended to be something I wasn't, I would forever remain an outsider, with the rest of the world, black and white, always standing in judgment.”
Come ON. No one except deluded liberals talking about their idea of what they think are racist conservatives talks about "mixed blood" "divided soul" "tragic mulatto trapped between two worlds." He certainly didn't experience anything like this in Hawaii. It is just SO ludicrous.

And then this:
"“I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites,” he wrote."
I just don't believe there is any way that a 12 or 13 year old, especially in Hawaii is going to be thinking this way unless he's mentally disturbed.

Or this, in a newspaper article about him:
"During college, Obama disapproved of what he called other “half-breeds” who gravitated toward whites instead of blacks. And yet after college, he once fell in love with a white woman, only to push her away when he concluded he would have to assimilate into her world, not the other way around. He later married a black woman."
But his world WAS the white/Indonesian/Hawaiian world. What is he talking about?

And farther on in the article:
Thus, in his second memoir, “The Audacity of Hope,” which was published last year, Obama adopted a more conciliatory, even upbeat tone when discussing race. Noting his multiracial family, he wrote in the new book: “I’ve never had the option of restricting my loyalties on the basis of race, or measuring my worth on the basis of tribe.”
This appears to contradict certain passages in his first memoir, including a description of black student life at Occidental College in Los Angeles.
“There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.”

He added: “To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”
Obama said he and other blacks were careful not to second-guess their own racial identity in front of whites.
“To admit our doubt and confusion to whites, to open up our psyches to general examination by those who had caused so much of the damage in the first place, seemed ludicrous, itself an expression of self-hatred,” he wrote.
Even his talk about "tribes" seems to be aping a liberal's idea of what racist white people would characterize as a "tribe". He talks about people who "caused so much of the damage in the first place". Well, those would have been Muslim slavers buying slaves from blacks in Africa and, more recently in his own past, his atheist mother and his own disappeared father.

And note this:
He added: “To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”
Avoid being mistaken for a sell-out? How much more of a sell-out could he be than to choose the kind of people he did. This guy is nothing but a male Hillary.

31 posted on 11/07/2010 4:03:57 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Berlin_Freeper
...despite the objections of Anne Dunham, a Roman Catholic.

Oh, really? Why did she attend a Unitarian Universalist church with her parents then?

His middle name, Hussein, and the fact that his stepfather was a Muslim, ...

His first name 'Barack' and his last name '0bama' are also Arabic Muslim names. His biological father was also a Muslim.

32 posted on 11/07/2010 4:08:02 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Betcha that Moochelle does not go there with him..she will trollop off to some other costly holiday spot...Can’t wait to see the fashion trends she will wow em all with/S


33 posted on 11/07/2010 4:08:44 PM PST by celtic gal
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To: aruanan

Excellent analysis of his completely phony “biographies.”


34 posted on 11/07/2010 4:21:44 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye
While I've seen no conclusive proof that BO is a practicing Muslim, the evidence is quite clear that he is a cultural Muslim.

I'm not going to go off on a third grade boy for joining the Muslim prayers of his peers.

My youngest daughter was about that age when I caught her praying at a Shinto shine in Japan. It was a perfectly natural thing to do when we were making a touristy visit and she saw the other Japanese doing it.

At an appropriate private time not long afterward, I explained to her that, as Christians, we prayed in the name of Jesus Christ. I neither scolded nor punished her. She understood and it did not happen again.

35 posted on 11/07/2010 4:24:26 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Anne Dunham, a Roman Catholic

Pfff! Yeah, right!

36 posted on 11/07/2010 4:29:49 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Anne Dunham was a Catholic? I thought she said she was an atheist. Or is this like in France, where a person will tell you with a straight face that they are an “Atheist Roman Catholic?”


37 posted on 11/07/2010 4:32:21 PM PST by cookcounty (December 31st is coming.....STOP Obama's Midnight Tax Jack-Up!!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

His mother was Roman Catholic? I thought I read that her family were Unitarians. Off to see what I can find on this.


38 posted on 11/07/2010 4:33:53 PM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Vigilanteman

Do you think anyone ever told 0baMao that he shouldn’t pray Muslim prayers?


39 posted on 11/07/2010 4:40:35 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: kalee

I can’t find anything that says she was Roman Catholic.

In a 2007 speech, Obama contrasted the beliefs of his mother to those of her parents, and commented on her spirituality and skepticism: “My mother, whose parents were nonpracticing Baptists and Methodists, was one of the most spiritual souls I ever knew. But she had a healthy skepticism of religion as an institution.”

Barack Obama has said of Ann Dunham, “My mother was a Christian from Kansas.”[1][1] Earlier he had said, “I was not raised in a religious household... My mother’s own experiences... only reinforced this inherited skepticism. Her memories of the Christians who populated her youth were not fond ones... And yet for all her professed secularism, my mother was in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I’ve ever known.”[1] And his half-sister, Maya said, when asked if their mother was an atheist, “I wouldn’t have called her an atheist,” she said. “She was an agnostic. She basically gave us all the good books—the Bible, the Hindu Upanishads and the Buddhist scripture, the Tao Te Ching—and wanted us to recognize that everyone has something beautiful to contribute.”[1] And, from another source, “She touted herself as an atheist, and it was something she’d read about and could argue,” said Maxine Box, who was Dunham’s best friend.”[1] One of her freinds said of her “She always felt that marriage as an institution was not particularly essential or importan


40 posted on 11/07/2010 4:42:33 PM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
His middle name, Hussein, and the fact that his stepfather was a Muslim, have combined to CONFIRM perpetuate rumours about Mr Obama's religious leanings. The number of Americans who think KNOW that he is a Muslim has grown since his inauguration to one in five.

How many people know that the last time Zero went to "church" in Washington DC on September 19th there was a muslim speaker... Dr. Ziad J. Asali, a long-time activist on Middle East issues? What are the odds of Obama attending a "Christian" church only 6 times since coming into office and a Muslim speaker shows up?

41 posted on 11/07/2010 4:44:33 PM PST by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Anne Dunham, a Roman Catholic.

Not compatible with her avowed Marxism.

42 posted on 11/07/2010 4:49:21 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: kalee

There you have 0bummer’s word, his sister’s word and the word of two of Stanley Ann’s friends. The only thing more definitive than that would be an authenticated recording in her own words.


43 posted on 11/07/2010 4:49:57 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye
Not likely, given that his mama was an avowed atheist and his step-daddy a Muslim.

I have yet to figure out why the atheistic left loves Islamofacists so. I think part of it is a shared hatred of Christianity and western civilization but another distinct part is simple cowardice over confrontation.

44 posted on 11/07/2010 4:55:23 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: aruanan
Not only that HE has no relation to the existence of the American Slaves..his ancestors were not slaves as were Michelle's. This piker is trying to lay claim to something that is not apart of his ancestry history other than being related to those who sold his black brethren into slavery in the first place.
45 posted on 11/07/2010 4:55:37 PM PST by celtic gal
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To: Sacajaweau

How is it that one renounces their citizenship when they marry one who is not American? Enlighten please.


46 posted on 11/07/2010 5:00:26 PM PST by celtic gal
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Anne Dunham, a Roman Catholic.

Nonsense!

Stanley Ann Dunham was never a Roman Catholic.

Madelyn and Stanley shed their Methodist and Baptist upbringing and began attending Sunday services at the East Shore Unitarian Church in nearby Bellevue.

"In the 1950s, this was sometimes known as 'the little Red church on the hill,'" said Peter Luton, the church's senior minister. Skepticism, the kind that Stanley embraced and passed on to his daughter, was welcomed here.


47 posted on 11/07/2010 5:29:26 PM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: TigersEye
Excellent analysis of his completely phony “biographies.”

Thanks. I remember the first time I saw a picture of him in the window of the U of Chicago bookstore having something to do with his run for the Illinois senate. This is the first image that popped into my mind:



But I see that others have thought the same:


48 posted on 11/07/2010 5:34:19 PM PST by aruanan
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To: TigersEye
And if he had looked like Al Sharpton and sounded like Jesse Jackson and had the politics of Clarence Thomas, he never would have been selected by the Democrats as a candidate--well, actually, from what I hear, he never would have been selected as a candidate had he not bused in people from Illinois to Iowa and subverted other Democrat caucuses in Texas and Nevada by various and sundry means. In almost every way possible it could be said, "Illegitimacy, thy name is Barry Obama Barack Dunham Soetoro."
49 posted on 11/07/2010 5:39:33 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Since when was Anne Dunham a Catholic? Nobody else in her family was, and she seems to have been a complete (Marxist) secularist like the rest of them.

Barry was sent to a Catholic school because it was the school for westerners and well-off kids, such as the children of diplomats. When he was enrolled there, he was enrolled as a Muslim, which meant he was not required to take the Catholic religious classes. I assume he had a “released time” equivalent and received Muslim instruction during the time that the majority of the kids were receiving Catholic religious instruction.

He was actually removed from the school by his mother and stepfather and sent to a madrassa because they felt the instruction was not Islamic enough.


50 posted on 11/07/2010 5:43:40 PM PST by livius (W)
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