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Dinner With the Militia
HUMAN EVENTS ^ | 11/9/10 | Amelia Foxwell

Posted on 11/09/2010 7:38:48 AM PST by Louis Foxwell

Militia members are normal everyday people. We are just like you, and some of us may be your neighbors, your friends, and your family. Everyone has heard of violent hate-based groups calling themselves militias. Everyone has also heard of parachute malfunctions, but we still understand that parachutes are a good thing, right? Militias are the parachutes our founding fathers built into the constitution to save us in the event of disaster, government tyranny, or foreign invasion....

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; militia
I proudly introduce my daughter, Amelia Foxwell, a militia member and spokeswoman for the Militia movement. This is her second article in HUMAN EVENTS.
1 posted on 11/09/2010 7:38:52 AM PST by Louis Foxwell
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To: Amos the Prophet

How does one find a militia in their area? Any ideas?


2 posted on 11/09/2010 7:43:06 AM PST by NoGrayZone (This is not an election on November 2. This is a restraining order. - PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Amos the Prophet

That’s one of the few factual editorials that I’ve seen about Militias. Most of the MSM coverage of militias shows guys with swastikas tattooed all over them burning crosses.


3 posted on 11/09/2010 7:47:51 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: Amos the Prophet

Congratulations! Your daughter writes elegantly and honestly..


4 posted on 11/09/2010 7:59:21 AM PST by eleni121 (http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/memoryof.htm)
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To: mbynack

That’s one of the few factual editorials that I’ve seen about Militias. Most of the MSM coverage of militias shows guys with swastikas tattooed all over them burning crosses.

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That is the Southern Poverty Law Cynics perspective, now metastasized via the Press Corpse and DHS.

Malevolent liars, all.


5 posted on 11/09/2010 8:01:36 AM PST by Psalm 144
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To: NoGrayZone

Do a search for your state’s name and “state Militia” I would be surprised if you do not come up with something.


6 posted on 11/09/2010 8:19:58 AM PST by Pontiac
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To: NoGrayZone

The “unorganized” or reserve militia is a legal and lawful part of the armed forces of this nation. It is a military organization recognized by the Second Amendment of the Constitution; Title 10, Section 311 USC; the Dick Act of 1903; the National Defense Act of 1916; and affirmed by numerous court decisions.

There is no ambiguity. The “unorganized” citizens militia is not the National Guard or the state “select” militia under the governor, or part of the “organized” armed forces of the federal government. It is literally the entire body of armed citizenry.

Although the “unorganized” militia can be called up for lawfull (Constitutional) purposes, it is not under the direct control of any state or political jurisdiction. It represents the authority and power of the People over the government and stands as the last defense of the citizens of this country against domestic tyrannt

Purpose and Authority of the Militia:

The purpose of the militia as defined by the Constitution is to Enforce the laws of the Union (the Constitution)
Suppress insurrections, Repel invasions Now, Including Biological, Chemical and Mass Explosive “Terrorist Attacks”
“Working With”, but “NOT Completely Dependent on” “The Office of “Homeland Security”

We have a militia chapter in Marietta Pennsylvania.


7 posted on 11/09/2010 8:34:35 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: Pontiac

Do a search for your state’s name and “state Militia” I would be surprised if you do not come up with something............................................. Yup! here is what I found on one of the sites.

“An estimated 440 militia groups exist nationwide, with Florida having one of the largest concentrations of them and white supremacy groups, Akins said. He identified 77 militias in the state, ranging in size from five to 30 members, along with 21 Ku Klux Klan and eight Nazi or skinhead’ groups.”

Being retire military, I know logistics win wars. IMO, these type groups would be nothing more than a nuisance to a trained military. I’d like to see them in uniform, and I wonder how many would pass AR 600-5(?). There was a time when we had many veterans who could be recalled to form real fighting units, but that time has passed.


8 posted on 11/09/2010 8:45:50 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (The candidate they smear and ridicule the most is the one they fear the most.)
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To: Amos the Prophet
You did good.

5.56mm

9 posted on 11/09/2010 8:54:08 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: NoGrayZone

My wife works in a fairly urban area, and she is always stunned by how many people, upon learning only that she is from Michigan, will approach her and ask if she can get them in touch with the Militia.


10 posted on 11/09/2010 8:55:21 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Pontiac

Thank you. I just did that and contacted a site. I’m not sure if they are a Militia, not sure if it’s actually displayed on their website.

I just sent them an email asking some questions and gave them the link to this thread, told them who I was.

Hopefully I hear back from them soon. Thanks again for your advice!


11 posted on 11/09/2010 8:56:51 AM PST by NoGrayZone (This is not an election on November 2. This is a restraining order. - PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Bringbackthedraft; Squantos; hiredhand
Being retire military, I know logistics win wars.

Yup. Still, how are we doing with those armed tribal groups in Afghanistan?

HERE is the original system for an unorganized militia. It's amazing.

12 posted on 11/09/2010 8:56:57 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I need to be involved, much more than I am now. I feel like a sitting duck, lol.


13 posted on 11/09/2010 8:59:12 AM PST by NoGrayZone (This is not an election on November 2. This is a restraining order. - PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Carry_Okie

Yup. Still, how are we doing with those armed tribal groups in Afghanistan? .................................... Tedious because they are being supplied by outside suppliers, have sanctuary beyond their borders, and we are not using the weapons we are capable of using. Our enemies would not be as nice to us on our land, you can be assured of that. Our lands would be the parking lots.


14 posted on 11/09/2010 9:07:42 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (The candidate they smear and ridicule the most is the one they fear the most.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

“..these type groups would be nothing more than a nuisance to a trained military....”

Funny thing...the Brits said that too, way back in the day.

And how’s that Afghani thing going?


15 posted on 11/09/2010 9:08:54 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Flavious_Maximus
The “unorganized” or reserve militia is a legal and lawful part of the armed forces of this nation.

No it's not. The armed forces are defined by 10 USC 101, and the militia isn't one of them. The militia is the union of the National Guard and the manpower pool defined in 10 USC 311. The article's author, not being a man and (apparently) not being a member of the National Guard, is not a member of the militia.

16 posted on 11/09/2010 9:09:26 AM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: Bringbackthedraft
I think you would be surprised by some militias capability. I know of one that could easily stall a Marine weapons company for the best part of a day and take few if any causalities. These guys are all ex-SpecOps and practice a lot.Attack and evade with lessons learned in Iraq and Afcrapistan is very effective. That said it does get down to ROE’s.
17 posted on 11/09/2010 9:14:13 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Playing by the rules only works if both sides do it!)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
Our enemies would not be as nice to us on our land, you can be assured of that.

The Soviets didn't do so hot there either.

Our lands would be the parking lots.

To a degree. The question is: Have we prepared? I say no. Believe it or not, the Bible has a very sophisticated and detailed system that has never been even understood, until now.

18 posted on 11/09/2010 9:14:19 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

I think we tend to vision the militias as being what we see in the Hollywood Movies. There are too many factors to consider, running around in the woods, sleeping in tents and playing soldiers isn’t what it really is like. I noticed one of the sites tells you to pack light. I guess they don’t factor in the weight of support weapons, ammunition, the need to secure fuel, being able to transport undetected all the necessary items needed to support the mission, i.e. radios, medical supplies, food, water, and having trained medical personnel. When you are on the run where are you going to run to? The swamps of Florida? The mountains of the Rockies? How long will you last in any of those environments? Will the enemy really care if you are in the swamps or the mountains? What would be left of your cities? Are you going to fight like the “Wolverines” in the movie, with an endless supply of ammo? With the bad guys exposing themselves to get shot? Maybe the bad guys will not expose themselves and instead come at you with mini-guns, mortars and rockets? Who is going to supply you? Is there an outside source to smuggle in the items you need? Is there an international boundary where you can hide and regroup in another country? So many factors to consider, its not a “Call Of Duty” Video game.


19 posted on 11/09/2010 9:27:57 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (The candidate they smear and ridicule the most is the one they fear the most.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
I wonder how many would pass AR 600-5(?)

What is a AR 600-5?

20 posted on 11/09/2010 10:58:16 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Getting in touch with militia could go like this:

Get the first name and phone number for the Nation Gaurd recrueter in say Ann Arbor.

Pass this info in hushed tones during a huddled converstion.

Laugh at rubes during dinner conversation.


21 posted on 11/09/2010 11:31:34 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Conservative States of America has a nice ring to it.)
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To: Last Dakotan

My error its 600-9! My minds eye pictured a 5. Its the weight control requirements.


22 posted on 11/09/2010 11:38:21 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (The candidate they smear and ridicule the most is the one they fear the most.)
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To: Last Dakotan

I’d thought AR 600-5 was the Army Regulation [AR] regarding the uniform.
Apparently it’s regarding establishing a locator service:
http://www.whs.mil/library/mildoc/AR%20600-5,%2010%20March%201971.pdf

“LOCATOR SERVICE FOR OFFICERS AND KEY CIVILIANS IN WASHINGTON AND VICINITY”


23 posted on 11/09/2010 11:47:11 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: NoGrayZone

>How does one find a militia in their area?

1) Obtain a Copy of your State Constitution.
2) Search for “Militia.”
3) Read the definition.

It is *highly* likely that you will see something similar to:
“The militia of this state shall consist of all able bodied males, aged 18 to 45.”*

*A common qualification is that they be “armable,” that is not gun-restricted/’prohibited persons.’


24 posted on 11/09/2010 12:42:14 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: NoGrayZone
How does one find a militia in their area? Any ideas?

There's a pretty good starting place *here*

25 posted on 11/09/2010 12:59:39 PM PST by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: OneWingedShark; NoGrayZone
That's the usual definition for an unorganized militia. The organized militia is the National Guard and the various permutations of state defense forces and naval militia.

NoGrayZone, your user profile says you are in New York. The militias in your state are:

The National Guard units are federally recognized, and all members are also reserve members of the US Armed Forces. The Naval Militia is at least 95% federal reservists. The New York Guard is a state asset; it is part of the organized militia only under New York law, and the federal government can't touch its members without a draft. The unorganized militia is a manpower pool; the governor of New York may activate volunteers, or even draft them in an emergency.

26 posted on 11/09/2010 1:48:29 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: archy

I went and it’s not a good place for NY. =(

Guess it’s just me and my sister.


27 posted on 11/09/2010 1:51:09 PM PST by NoGrayZone (This is not an election on November 2. This is a restraining order. - PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Caesar Soze

But I’m not military. Do they accept non-military?


28 posted on 11/09/2010 1:52:22 PM PST by NoGrayZone (This is not an election on November 2. This is a restraining order. - PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Caesar Soze

>>That’s the usual definition for an unorganized militia.

So, how is the distinction within the context of this thread relevant?

>>The organized militia is the National Guard and the various permutations of state defense forces and naval militia.

I would caveat that by saying ONLY [of those organizations you list] such organizations that are so named by that particular State’s Constitution. That is that, say, the Texas National Guard is NOT the “organized militia” [in any part] UNLESS the Texas Constitution declares it to be.


29 posted on 11/09/2010 2:11:10 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Arguing for state recognition as the only government autrhorized militia is a tautology that does not acknowledge non governmental militia by definition. NGO militia is a Constitutional right from which government authority is proscribed.
As with the other 9 amendments these are rights not granted by the government but from which the government is expressly prohibited. They are restrictions of authority, a line drawn in the sand across which the federal government is expressly forbidden.
Militia is private, expressly non governmental and is foundational to our Constitution.


30 posted on 11/09/2010 3:25:31 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (The American Revolution is just as unpopular with statists today as it was at our founding.)
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To: Amos the Prophet

>Arguing for state recognition as the only government autrhorized militia is a tautology that does not acknowledge non governmental militia by definition. NGO militia is a Constitutional right from which government authority is proscribed.

I’m not sure I buy that a non-government-recognized militia is a militia; in the general sense; though for the government to define the militia as anything other than “the body of the armed citizenry” is a redefinition* of the order of the Supreme Court saying that the prohibition of Ex Post Facto laws as being applicable to Criminal law.

*redefinition [of language] is, by its nature, illegality.
**I am not saying that because a right is not listed in the Bill of Rights does not make it a right. I, however, do think that we CAN [and should] use existing [recognized] definitions against our current government. {i.e. beat it back with its own words.}

>As with the other 9 amendments these are rights not granted by the government but from which the government is expressly prohibited.

I especially like how [the duties of] Juries get to be defined by the government.

>They are restrictions of authority, a line drawn in the sand across which the federal government is expressly forbidden.
>Militia is private, expressly non governmental and is foundational to our Constitution.

See the above.
Also the question exists whether a member of the [active] Army or Law Enforcement is a member of the militia; given your definition that they recieve their pay from the Government certainly *could* raise a “conflict of interest” concern. {Which I think is rather likely, in the future.}


31 posted on 11/09/2010 3:42:33 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Are you trying to say something? I can not make any sense of your post.


32 posted on 11/09/2010 8:36:36 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (The American Revolution is just as unpopular with statists today as it was at our founding.)
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To: Amos the Prophet

I suppose you could sum it up by saying the Tenth Amendment allows the definition of things like ‘militia’ and ‘jury’ to either the people OR the [individual] States.
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Therefore, I see no problem in allowing “the government” [that is State government] define who constitutes the militia.
I find the federal & state stance on *juries* [the definition of the scope of their powers] to be far more frightening than the current understanding of ‘militias’ as the current definition strips the power of the jury [particularly the Grand Jury] of investigative powers PRECISELY because that to allow the jury to apply their own reasoning/motivation/investigation immediately endangers the status quo of the Judge/prosecution governmental team.

Given any amount of autonomy a jury could not only find someone, who was clearly ‘guilty’ of violating [say] gun-laws to be innocent AND, further, convict the prosecution of something like conspiracy against rights. There was a recent posting about a guy in NJ who was convicted because the judge would not allow the jury to know the law [specifically, the exceptions for transportation] concerning guns.


33 posted on 11/09/2010 8:53:17 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: NoGrayZone; archy

Source: http://www.awrm.org/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=39;t=000012;p=0

1. Alabama
* 2nd Alabama Militia (1st Company) http://www.freewebs.com/alabamamilitia/

2. Alaska

3. Arizona
* Arizona Militia http://www.geocities.com/johnwentling/
* Arizona Militia http://www.arizonamilitia.com/

4. Arkansas
* Militia of Washington County http://www.angelfire.com/ar2/militia/
* Arkansas Militia www.arkansasmilitia.us

5. California
* California Militia http://geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/2608/welcome.html
* WDC- Western Defense Consortium
http://z9.invisionfree.com/WDC/index.php?act=idx
(registration required)

Central Valley Citizens for Liberty;
http://www.meetup.com/CentralValleyCitizens4Liberty/ http://z9.invisionfree.com/WDC/
* http://www.californiastatemilitia.zoomshare.com/4.shtml
* http://www.americanarmenianmilitia.com/

6. Colorado
* Colorado State Defense Force (Provisional) http://www.cosdf.us/

7. Connecticut
* Connecticut Survivalists Alliance http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ctsurvivalist/

8. Delaware

9. Florida
* Militia of Florida http://www.militia-of-florida.com/
* www.rofcm.com
* http://floridafreemilitia.com/index.html

10. Georgia

* Georgia Militia http://www.gamilitia.com/
* Georgia Militia Network: www.GeorgiaMilitia.NET

11. Hawaii

12. Idaho
* North Idaho 21st Light Foot www.northidaho21lightfoot.org
contact email jeff@northidaho21lightfoot.org

13. Illinois
* Illinois State Militia www.maxpages.com/ilstatemilitia
* Illinois KISSATA http://www.freewebs.com/garand69/index.htm

14. Indiana
* Indiana Militia Corps http://www.indianamilitia.homestead.com/
* Indiana Citizen Volunteer Militia http://www.icvmmilitia.homestead.com/
* Southern Indiana Regional Militia http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/crayon/881/
* 14th Regiment Indiana State Militia http://14thregofism.tripod.com/
* Indiana’s Greene County Militia http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/crayon/881/gcm.html

15. Iowa
Iowa Militia http://iowamilitia.com

16. Kansas
17.Kentucky

18. Louisiana
* http://groups.yahoo.com/group/louisianamilitia/

19. Maine
* Maine Constitutional Militia (This board has been recently hacked. Their admins. are attempting to correct the problem.)

20. Maryland
* Southern Sons of Liberty http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ssol/
* Maryland Citizens Volunteer Militia http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marylandmilitia/

21. Massachusetts

22. Michigan
* Michigan Militia http://www.michiganmilitia.com/index.htm
* Unorganized Michigan Naval Militia http://www.geocities.com/unorganizedmichigannavalmilitia/
* Hutaree http://www.hutaree.com/

23. Minnesota
* Minnesota Militia http://minnesotamilitia.com
* Minnesota Militia http://www.32ndff.net/

24. Mississippi
* Mississippi http://www.mississippimilitia.us/
* http://z11.invisionfree.com/Mississippi_Patriots/index.php?act=idx
* http://s11.invisionfree.com/Mississippi_Patriots/
* Attala County Mississippi Militia http://www.freewebs.com/attala_county/

25. Missouri
* Missouri Militia http://www.missourimilitia.com

26. Montana
* Militia of Montana http://www.militiaofmontana.com/

27. Nebraska
* Tall Grass Guard, a team of the Nebraska State Militia http://tallgrassguard.tripod.com/
* The Nebraska Militia http://nebraskamilitia.2ndrevolution.org/
* http://www.nebraskamilitia.com/

28. Nevada
* Sierra Nevada Militia http://groups.myspace.com/SIERRANEVADAMILITIA

29. New Hampshire
* Rogers’ Rangers Twin State Militia (Vermont and New Hampshire) http://rogersrangers.8m.com/

30. New Jersey
* New Jersey Militia http://www.njmilitia.org/
* The South Jersey Self-Preparedness Group http://www.sjcm.ipbfree.com

31. New Mexico

32. New York
* Fort Eagle http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/fort_eagle/

33. North Carolina
* North Carolina Citizen’s Militia http://www.ncmilitia.org/
*NC KISSATA
Raleigh/Durham area http://www.myspace.com/nckissata
Greensboro, Winston-Salem http://www.myspace.com/glideslope
* North Carolina CIDG of Lincoln County www.nccidg.org

34. North Dakota
* http://vmnd.synthasite.com

35. Ohio
* Southeastern Ohio Defense Force http://www.sodf.org/
* Northwest Ohio Defense Force: http://www.nwodf.org
* Ohio Unorganized Militia, 3rd Battalion http://www.mpna.com/swoum/
* Unorganized Militia of Preble County http://commander_01oh.tripod.com/
* Champaign County Militia http://champaigncounty.tripod.com/
* Constitutional Militia of Clark County (Springfield, OH): http://ccsg0.tripod.com.

36. Oklahoma

37. Oregon
* Oregon Militia http://www.oregonmilitia.homestead.com/
* Oregon BBS http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oregonmilitiacorps/
* Oregon Watchmen http://www.oregonwatchmen.org

38. Pennsylvania
* http://www2.1stpa-militia.net/forum/index.php?
* http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Pa-Militia/
* www.3sog.org info@3sog.org

39. Rhode Island
* http://www.themilitia.org

40. South Carolina
41. South Dakota

42. Tennessee
* 1st. Tenn. Rifles http://www.1sttnrifles.net/
* Militia of East Tennessee, 3rd Brigade http://www.freewebs.com/tenncm/index.htm

43. Texas
* Texas State Guard — Not the National Guard, but an officially sanctioned state militia organization. http://www.agd.state.tx.us/stateguard/
* Texas Minuteman web forums http://www.texasminutemen.org/forum/
* Texas Militia - http://TexasMilitia.Info
* Texas Patriot Militia www.texaspatriotmilitia.org.

44. Utah
* Zion’s Camp http://p198.ezboard.com/bzionscamp

45. Vermont
* Unorganized Militia of Vermont http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/ruthven/569/rfv/militia.htm
* Rogers’ Rangers Twin State Militia (Vermont and New Hampshire) http://rogersrangers.8m.com/
* http://www.14thff.9f.com/index.html

46. Virginia
* Virginia Citizens Militia http://groups.yahoo.com/group/virginiamilitia/
* Virginia Citizens Militia www.vcm.freeservers.com
* Richmond Area www.75thbn10thff.freehosting.net

47. Washington
*WSM 41BN 42FF http://www.angelfire.com/wa3/1mtn/index.html
* A Well Organized Militia http://s7.invisionfree.com/Washington_Militia/index.php?
* KISSATA http://kissata.homestead.com/

48. West Virginia

49. Wisconsin
* Sauk County Riflemen http://www.geocities.com/militiasniper/

50. Wyoming
* Wyoming Defense Force http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WyomingDefenseForce/

Militia Related Message Boards:
* TOTAL RESISTANCE http://www.totalresistance.com/
* ASSUALT WEB http://assaultweb.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi
* Modern Minuteman http://www.modernminuteman.net/forums/index.php
* Unorganized Militia Alliance http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unorganizedmilitia/

Constitutional / Educational Links:
* The Constitution Society http://www.constitution.org/
* The John Birch Society http://www.jbs.org/

Independent Political Parties:
* The Constitution Party http://www.constitutionparty.com/
* The Southern Independence Party http://www.southernindependenceparty.com/

Politcal Action Groups:
* Take Back Kentucky http://www.takebackkentucky.com/
*Take Back Indiana http://takebackindiana0.tripod.com/

Second Amendment Rights Groups:
* Gun Owners of America http://www.gunowners.org/
* Jews For The Preservation of Firearms http://www.jpfo.org/
* Tyranny Response Team (TRT) — Being organized all over the country. Activate one in your state or county. http://www.trtnational.com/

Volunteer Border Watch:
* The Minuteman Project http://www.minutemanhq.com/
* American Border Patrol http://www.americanborderpatrol.com/

Survivalist Message Boards:
* James Wesly Rawles Survival Blog http://survivalblog.com/
* Frugal Squirrels http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/

Militia Related Associations:
*State Guard Association http://www.sgaus.org/
* 3rd. Continental Congress Militia Network http://www.militianetwork.homestead.com/index.html

Other directories and links collections

* Rense Militia Links — This is a collection of mostly anti-militia news articles provided for informational purposes only. http://www.rickross.com/groups/militia.html

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34 posted on 11/09/2010 9:15:02 PM PST by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: Amos the Prophet

Former Marines Arrested for Selling Weapons to Gang Members

Two former Marines, and three other local men, have been arrested following a lengthy investigation for allegedly selling assault rifles to known Los Angeles gang members, according to LA Now.

Authorities have released the names of the suspects; former Marines Jose Smith Pacheco, 31, of Montebello, and Miguel A. Ortiz, 49, of Northridge, along with “Edwin Cano, 33, of Northridge, and Christopher John Thomas, 32, of Van Nuys, were arrested Monday. The group’s alleged ringleader and another former Marine, Adam Gitschlag, 28, was taken in on November 2, reports the Star-News.

All five men “are charged with five counts each of having unlawful assault weapons, including four AK-47 assault rifles and an AR-15 assault weapon.”

“One of the buyers allegedly was connected to the Florencia 13 gang,” notes USA Today, referring to a June 23 deal that happened in the parking lot of Pasadena post office parking lot, which involved an informant who helped the ATF with the case.

Gitschlag told The Associated Press the charges are “definitely untrue,” and that he is “a private weapons collector who loves his country.”

http://laist.com/2010/11/09/former_marines_arrested_for_selling.php


35 posted on 11/10/2010 7:03:09 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: NoGrayZone
I went and it’s not a good place for NY. =(

Guess it’s just me and my sister.

Only if you limit your interest to the are in which you find yourself at present.

If you'd care to consider relocation- which need not be permanent, but which might give you both a safer location once the troubles begin to fall like rain, and some pretty fair folks with which to throw in with and have as neighbors, you're welcome to hook up with those of us in Wyoming.

36 posted on 11/10/2010 10:54:23 AM PST by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: NoGrayZone
I went and it’s not a good place for NY. =(

Guess it’s just me and my sister.

Only if you limit your interest to the are in which you find yourself at present.

If you'd care to consider relocation- which need not be permanent, but which might give you both a safer location once the troubles begin to fall like rain, and some pretty fair folks with which to throw in with and have as neighbors, you're welcome to hook up with those of us in Wyoming.

37 posted on 11/10/2010 10:54:30 AM PST by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: OneWingedShark
I’m not sure I buy that a non-government-recognized militia is a militia; in the general sense; though for the government to define the militia as anything other than “the body of the armed citizenry” is a redefinition* of the order of the Supreme Court saying that the prohibition of Ex Post Facto laws as being applicable to Criminal law.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."

-- George Mason (3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426)

"The militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves, ... all men capable of bearing arms;..."

-- Richard Henry Lee writing in "Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic", 1788, page 169.

"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress shall have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the People."

-- Tench Coxe - 1788.

38 posted on 11/10/2010 11:02:16 AM PST by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy

Which is what I said.


39 posted on 11/10/2010 11:13:32 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: NoGrayZone
But I’m not military. Do they accept non-military?

What you seem to mean is that you're non-prior service. Some state military organizations happily accept those without prior service experience, at least in some roles, others do not. ask them!

There's at least one other military-affiliated organization active in NY state that may be of interest to you; they were in fact, the first military unit to fly over NYC following the 09/11 attacks and photograph the destruction at the World Trade Center towers.

And yes, they most certainly do accept those without prior military service. Indeed, it's not at all a bad place for you to *dip your toes in the water.* And they've even sunk a submarine or two, in wartime.

USAF Auxiliary, the Civil Air Patrol, NY State Wing.

C.A.P.


40 posted on 11/10/2010 11:15:05 AM PST by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: OneWingedShark
Which is what I said.

Exactly. And that puts you in with some pretty august company.

41 posted on 11/10/2010 11:16:34 AM PST by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy

Thank you!!! =). We’re talking about relocating, permanently, we just don’t know where to go.

We were thinking NH (just went red again), similar weather, however, I do want to leave the NE. Just like the west coast, it is way too blue for my taste.

I never thought of Wyoming!


42 posted on 11/10/2010 11:31:44 AM PST by NoGrayZone (This is not an election on November 2. This is a restraining order. - PJ O'Rourke)
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To: NoGrayZone
Thank you!!! =). We’re talking about relocating, permanently, we just don’t know where to go.

We had the same problem a few years back.

We were thinking NH (just went red again), similar weather, however, I do want to leave the NE. Just like the west coast, it is way too blue for my taste.

New Hampshire was high on my/our list of options back when I was in Memphis, and some went that way. Others headed westward, and that was my option.

I never thought of Wyoming!

Think about it! FSW

FSW Forum. Ask around for Mama Liberty or Archy.

43 posted on 11/10/2010 12:21:02 PM PST by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy

Thank you for your wealth of info!!


44 posted on 11/10/2010 12:26:04 PM PST by NoGrayZone (This is not an election on November 2. This is a restraining order. - PJ O'Rourke)
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