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L.A. ‘mystery missile’ may have been "errant" launch, experts say (Read that "accidental")
LA Times ^ | 11/09/2010 | LA Times

Posted on 11/09/2010 3:33:25 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour

Military officials remain stumped about the mysterious projectile spotted in the sky off the Southern California coast, but aerospace experts said it appeared to be an errant missile launch.

Pentagon officials are looking into what they have called an "unexplained contrail" after a KCBS news helicopter shot video late Monday of a luminous point hurtling through the sky followed by a long vapor trail.

SNIP

The lack of explanation from the Pentagon makes Caceres believe it may have been a mistake -- perhaps a defense exercise launched by accident.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 800; californiamissile; contrail; flight800; missilemystery; mysterymissile; tinfoilbrigade; twa; twaflight800
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1 posted on 11/09/2010 3:33:27 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

In any case, if this were a planned event, military officials would have known weeks in advance.

“There is a safety routine that the government goes through,” Ellison said. “Everything needs to be cleared away. They’re not going to take any risks.”


2 posted on 11/09/2010 3:34:03 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
I realize it's been a long time, but I worked on missiles in the Air Force, and it would be really hard - especially in the nuke category - to "accidentally" launch a missile.


3 posted on 11/09/2010 3:36:02 PM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Looks like Clinton just found where he lost those launch codes.


4 posted on 11/09/2010 3:36:15 PM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks Right-Wing.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

What is fascinating is that it is now being claimed that it is a contrail. And the evidence is pretty compelling that it is.

What this means to me is that the two look a lot alike and even experts can be fooled. I’m assuming it was a missile launch, though, since “they” said it was.


5 posted on 11/09/2010 3:37:14 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: FrankR

Yes, I’m confused... how do you “accidentally” launch a missile, did they trip over something?


6 posted on 11/09/2010 3:37:15 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Hope it landed in Tehran


7 posted on 11/09/2010 3:37:59 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

We have no launch faclities 35 miles west of LA.... just a lot of deep water.


8 posted on 11/09/2010 3:37:59 PM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: RobRoy

Well, its clear its a contrail... but its a contrail from an outbound missile, a very large one at that.

In the video you can clearly see the glow of the engines at the source point of the plume.


9 posted on 11/09/2010 3:38:50 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

not supposed to be mistakes...I remember seeing something simular in the early 80’s but it crossed several states. they never reported what that was either.


10 posted on 11/09/2010 3:38:50 PM PST by dalebert
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
...said it appeared to be an errant missile launch.

Assuming it was a missile, if you don't know who launched it, how in Hades can you know what the intent was?!

11 posted on 11/09/2010 3:39:33 PM PST by mewzilla (Still voteless in NY-29. Over 400 roll call votes missed and counting...)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour; silentknight

See silentknight’s post #213 here. I’m thinking it’s case closed.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2624382/posts?page=213#213


12 posted on 11/09/2010 3:40:18 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I just saw it on the local TV station. Sure looks like a large missile to me.


13 posted on 11/09/2010 3:41:23 PM PST by yarddog
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To: pissant

which begs the question: did it go into outer space or go into orbit. if not where did it land?


14 posted on 11/09/2010 3:41:39 PM PST by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I’ve never been on a sub, or anything else that fires a missile, but I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that there’s no way in hell something that big can be launched by mistake.

I’m SURE there is a process that must be deliberately followed. This thing didn’t go off by someone hitting a ‘wrong button’ or dropping something on a keyboard. No way....


15 posted on 11/09/2010 3:41:44 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

OOPS!

Obama’s fault.


16 posted on 11/09/2010 3:42:04 PM PST by Ole Okie (American.)
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To: dalebert

The North Koreans just got it backwards. That’s all.


17 posted on 11/09/2010 3:42:25 PM PST by donhunt (I am sick and tired of those bastards insulting me.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Now that I think about it, “errant” could be very different from “accidental”. But it still is very strange.


18 posted on 11/09/2010 3:42:37 PM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

One thing we will know is that we won’t get the truth.


19 posted on 11/09/2010 3:43:01 PM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: dalebert

Did anybody ask NORAD if they were tracking it? Where did it land? If it is ballistic it must follow the parabola and land somewhere. It certainly didn’t resemble something like a shuttle launch where it goes UP in a hurry. That contrail was bending in the boost phase, right?


20 posted on 11/09/2010 3:43:03 PM PST by RonInNaples
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Satellite will have it... right down to where it landed. Retrieval might take some time but anything is possible.

Many questions beg answers, foremost being if it aint ours how did they get in so close for a launch? Just who is playing show and tell?


21 posted on 11/09/2010 3:45:12 PM PST by himno hero
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To: MindBender26

Wonder if there were any Iranian ships in the area?


22 posted on 11/09/2010 3:45:27 PM PST by Kozak ("It's not an Election it's a Restraining Order" .....PJ O'Rourke)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Doesn’t Vandenberg AFB launch missiles? But then again, what another poster wrote ... “what, did somebody trip over a wire or something?” ... I remember reading that countdown clocks start weeks before a launch and shortly before launch it’s all automatic ... wonder if somebody plugged their cellphone in to charge it and .... whooomph ....


23 posted on 11/09/2010 3:45:34 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Don't Read The News You're Uninformed, If You Do Read The News You're Misinformed")
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To: MindBender26
We have no launch faclities 35 miles west of LA.... just a lot of deep water.

Sea Launch home port is in Long Beach. Just saying....

24 posted on 11/09/2010 3:46:55 PM PST by r9etb
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I am willing to buy this “maybe”. I mean there was air traffic in the direct vicinity at the time. So this was 2 things 1. An accident 2. A warning.

I am not buying the airplane on the horizon theory...sorry.


25 posted on 11/09/2010 3:47:57 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
In the video you can clearly see the glow of the engines at the source point of the plume.

I saw that, too. But, is it possible that it was actually a reflection?

This was late in the day, and I think the sun was either near or below the horizon. Maybe the angle was just right to catch the reflection on an unpainted plane?

The thing that makes me wonder: how could radar miss this? I think someone needs to look at what was actually flying through that area and see if the path matches the contrail.

26 posted on 11/09/2010 3:48:02 PM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: MindBender26

Reminds me of the movie “Operation Petticoat” where the woman accidentally launches a torpedo, and it sinks a truck.

I am betting it was a sub-roc off one of our boats, it may have had a drill and somebody removed a safety, or neglected the safety interlocks, our boats are technically always on war footing.

Or and this may have a lot of truth due to current friction with other countries is that it was a warning shot, and I had a thought that maybe it was supposed to be Obamas “Oklahoma City” where a rogue sub launches a missile at the CONUS. China can get past our SOSUS if they have the technical zone mapping.

Or perhaps a sub was given orders to launch but miss Air Force One thus giving Obama an upper hand to get serious and divert attention from other issues. But the launch was premature, captains decision to make an “error”?

In summary I think Obama knows what it was because he ordered it.


27 posted on 11/09/2010 3:48:10 PM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I dunno why everyone thinks its a “model” or an Iranian toy. Its clearly a very large solid fuel ICBM or Space vehicle. I see space launches a lot in FL here.


28 posted on 11/09/2010 3:48:15 PM PST by omega4179 (Quem deus vult perdere, dementat prius)
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To: FrankR
...it would be really hard - especially in the nuke category - to "accidentally" launch a missile.

What makes you think it was a nuke? Was there a big boom when it came down?

29 posted on 11/09/2010 3:48:52 PM PST by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
A bit of logic is in order here:

Do people realize that at any time off the coast of California there's hundreds of commercial ships and private watercraft in the vicinity where this 'missile' launch allegedly occurred? That the skies of SoCal are filled with commercial and private aircraft taking off and landing at any given moment? That there's always countless human beings watching the coast from any number of vantage points, most of whom have quality digital cell phone cameras capable of recording video?

Yet nobody reported a thing except this wacky news copter crew? No fishing vessels off Long Beach fishing for yellowtail tuna saw an ICBM missile come roaring out of the water on a column of fire like a Polaris ICBM launch? Nobody but this TV news chopper recorded this amazing event? No commercial airliners taking off from LAX, John Wayne, Ontario, or Long Beach airports saw an obvious missile roar into space past their position? No USMC, Navy, or Coast Guard pilots flying around saw a thing? No Coast Guard cutters reported seeing a sub-launched missile bloom and the tell-tale column of smoke rising up from the ocean?

Thousands of people didn't capture astonishing cell phone came video from all points of the compass of this "missile" soaring into space and breathlessly post it on YouTube and alert their local media?

No reports at all?

It was a flipping contrail from a commercial jet, folks. Just some peculiar anomaly of general aviation captured by happenstance photography.

30 posted on 11/09/2010 3:48:56 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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"... In the video you can clearly see the glow of the engines at the source point of the plume."

You can't 'clearly' see anything of the sort.

Couldn't possibly be reflection off the windows or skin of a jetliner, right?

31 posted on 11/09/2010 3:50:15 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: MindBender26
We have no launch faclities 35 miles west of LA....

Sometimes we do. They're often called "boomers", more properly known as Ballistic Missle Submarines.

32 posted on 11/09/2010 3:51:40 PM PST by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Maybe Duke Nukem is back! Photobucket
33 posted on 11/09/2010 3:51:50 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: JennysCool

There’s video. It’s a missile. Even the Pentagon is admitting its a missile. They just don’t know who’s missile it is, which makes you question why trillions are spent on defense.


34 posted on 11/09/2010 3:53:29 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
It was the Democrats version of this-

They were giving Obama the ALL CLEAR to return to the US.

35 posted on 11/09/2010 3:53:30 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: The KG9 Kid
It was a flipping contrail from a commercial jet, folks. Just some peculiar anomaly of general aviation captured by happenstance photography.

Probably correct... but it's so much more fun the other way.

36 posted on 11/09/2010 3:53:37 PM PST by r9etb
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Honey I launched the missles.


37 posted on 11/09/2010 3:54:07 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Defund, repeal, investigate, impeach, convict, jail, celebrate.)
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To: 3niner
I will blame it on a case of "assumption". LOL

It was [supposedly] launched from a ship, which many times are nukes.

But, if it was a "practice" launch, it probably wasn't armed.

I worked on air-to-air missiles, but we had a "nuke" variety and I remember all the redundant precautions we had to take to even be in the room with it.

But I'm probably way off base, so, as Gilda Radner used to say, "Never mind".
38 posted on 11/09/2010 3:54:24 PM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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To: donhunt
The North Koreans just got it backwards. That’s all.

You know, there might be something to that... if say in all the haste to prep, ship and launch a missile they forgot to change its programed targeting and instead of heading inland it headed towards the NK Target area. Where they've been sending their missiles all along. That would be in the same direction.

39 posted on 11/09/2010 3:55:59 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: r9etb

I hate to spoil the fun of the “THEY’RE TERKING ER JERBS!” contingent on FR, but the speculation was getting way out of hand.


40 posted on 11/09/2010 3:56:38 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: The KG9 Kid

It was going nearly vertical and then curved to the NW slightly. I have seen many launches and it sure looked like one to me. The smoke looked like it was from a solid booster. The satellites will have the track. and can estimate point of impact as well.


41 posted on 11/09/2010 3:57:21 PM PST by MtnClimber (Osama and Obama both hate freedom and have friends that bombed the Pentagon)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Maybe two MP’s were play fighting and one of them got knocked into the trigger button.


42 posted on 11/09/2010 3:57:28 PM PST by Wee-Weed Up
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

They had better send out a memo to all the subs in the area to count their missiles to make sure they haven’t accidentally launched one.


43 posted on 11/09/2010 3:57:47 PM PST by San Jacinto
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To: RinaseaofDs; silentknight

Yeah, I just checked out the video! Oops! Spoke too soon!


44 posted on 11/09/2010 3:57:48 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: MindBender26

Check out the Naval launch island west of Catalina (may be more like 50 miles from LA). Name starts with “N”, I think.


45 posted on 11/09/2010 4:00:32 PM PST by steve86
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To: KoRn

Wow. So THAT’S what that button on my keyboard does. Cool.


46 posted on 11/09/2010 4:00:50 PM PST by rickb308 (Nothing good ever came from someone yelling Allah Snackbar)
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To: FrankR

That was clearly a crop duster airplane spraying bugs. I’m surprised the Pentagon hasn’t come clean on this by now. (sarc)


47 posted on 11/09/2010 4:00:51 PM PST by Avid Coug
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To: Darksheare; Lakeshark

Looks like Darks is still trying to launch himself into outer space.


48 posted on 11/09/2010 4:00:51 PM PST by derllak
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To: MtnClimber
"... I have seen many launches and it sure looked like one to me."

I've seen several launches with my own eyes and it didn't look like one to me.

49 posted on 11/09/2010 4:01:31 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: RinaseaofDs
They just don’t know who’s missile it is, which makes you question why trillions are spent on defense.

It's easy to say "we don't know," even when they do. Not saying, is not the same as not knowing.

If it's a missile, they know.

50 posted on 11/09/2010 4:01:53 PM PST by r9etb
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