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Top Aviation Journalist Is 100% Convinced That The "Missile" Was A Jet
Business Insider ^ | November 9, 2010 | Joew Wisenthal

Posted on 11/09/2010 4:39:10 PM PST by lbryce

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 800; californiamissile; contrail; errantmissile; flight800; missilemystery; mystery; mysterymissile; tinfoilbrigade; twa800; twaflight800
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Wow. This is the extent of the news update. Welcome to the new world of hi-tech journalism. I expected a bit more verbosity to say the least. Not your father's news service. It may be pithy and succinct and I suppose, reluctantly, the format does work but only in certain specific situations. I emphatically wouldn't want this venue as my only news source.
1 posted on 11/09/2010 4:39:15 PM PST by lbryce
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To: lbryce

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2010/10/31/1350152/delta-vandenberg.html


2 posted on 11/09/2010 4:41:14 PM PST by SF_Redux
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To: lbryce

I neglected to say that this so-called aviation expert has zero credibility. I remember the cockamamie explanations for TWA flight 800 about sparks in the tank causing the explosion. It was a missile. That’s what people saw. That’s what it was. Just like in this case.


3 posted on 11/09/2010 4:42:55 PM PST by lbryce (Obama Notwithstanding, America's Best Days Are Yet To Be .)
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To: SF_Redux

So how many jets today use solid propellant and show a flame white exhaust?


4 posted on 11/09/2010 4:42:55 PM PST by mazda77 (Mike Hogan - JAX Mayor)
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To: lbryce

Former U.S. Ambassador to NATO Robert Ellsworth, who is also a former Deputy Secretary of Defense, started this by calling it a “big missile”.


5 posted on 11/09/2010 4:44:25 PM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: SF_Redux

I wonder if this “top aviation journalist” knows that missiles leave contrails too...


6 posted on 11/09/2010 4:44:54 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: mazda77

None...


7 posted on 11/09/2010 4:45:35 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: mazda77
My thought exactly!

This is beyond retarded. It was obviously an SLBM test, and they don't wanna talk about it. Even the NOTAM pegged the location, which was consistent with the video.

Not shocked that it's a journalism major saying the silly stuff...

8 posted on 11/09/2010 4:45:51 PM PST by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: mazda77

I haven’t followed this in detail—but could it have been a shoulder fired missile from a terrorist aimed at a plane?

That sounds like something the administration would cover up after a nanosecond of debate.


9 posted on 11/09/2010 4:45:51 PM PST by cgbg (No bailouts for New York and California. Let them eat debt.)
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To: mazda77

“So how many jets today use solid propellant and show a flame white exhaust?”

Ramjet?


10 posted on 11/09/2010 4:46:04 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Remember March 23, 1775. Remember March 23, 2010)
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To: lbryce

This missle was a message to not just one someone but to many someones. Lets hope that everyone of the intended got the message.


11 posted on 11/09/2010 4:46:48 PM PST by hflynn (The One has been reduced to the Zero)
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To: lbryce
Hard to believe what sh*t passes as news.

Gee, I got a “tweet” - must be true

12 posted on 11/09/2010 4:46:51 PM PST by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: lbryce
It's moving much too slow to be a missile IMO. Most likely a contrail from an aircraft at a very high altitude.

There's lots of important issues to be concerned about. This isn't one of them but it is a sign of how jumpy everyone is.

13 posted on 11/09/2010 4:47:33 PM PST by Errant
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To: lbryce

Looks like a plane contrail to me. Missile launches move fast, even at 30 miles away. This just hangs for a long time like a subsonic plane.

The ‘true believers’ won’t believe anything less than it was some sort of horrific attack or a show of force by us though, no matter the evidence now.


14 posted on 11/09/2010 4:49:26 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Gabrial

Precisely. The reliance on some so-called eye witness as a reputable, authoritative source for news is specious to say the least.


15 posted on 11/09/2010 4:49:56 PM PST by lbryce (Obama Notwithstanding, America's Best Days Are Yet To Be .)
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To: lbryce
Yep, TWA 800 was my first thought too. I never was real comfortable with the idea of running electrical lines inside fuel tanks, but WTH, that just me.

So, this was just a jet, nothing to worry about here! Just move along comrade.

BOHICA!

16 posted on 11/09/2010 4:50:35 PM PST by skimbell
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To: Tolsti2
The ‘true believers’ won’t believe anything less than it was some sort of horrific attack or a show of force by us though, no matter the evidence now.

The more the evidence, the louder the cries of "Conspiracy!".

17 posted on 11/09/2010 4:51:37 PM PST by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: lbryce

Did they mention that he he the man that designs toilets


18 posted on 11/09/2010 4:53:11 PM PST by stockpirate ("......When the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: hflynn

who do you THINK it was a message to?


19 posted on 11/09/2010 4:53:16 PM PST by goodnesswins (f you don't support Obama, and the deconstruction of America: YOU are a RACIST.)
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To: Errant
Even a BROKEN Trident travels much faster:

Trident II launch goes wrong

20 posted on 11/09/2010 4:53:20 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

I saw the video. I know what jet contrails look like. Way too much plume going vertical to be a jet contrail. That was a rocket or missile of some type. An SLBM, by the looks of it, launched just over the horizon. And footage of one of those isn’t hard to find to compare them.


21 posted on 11/09/2010 4:53:51 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: lbryce
Top Aviation Journalist Is 100% Convinced That The "Missile" Was A Jet

Top Aviation Journalist is an idiot; or a LIAR.

ML/NJ

22 posted on 11/09/2010 4:55:04 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: mazda77

Please, let’s not clutter up things with facts. Sheesh.


23 posted on 11/09/2010 4:56:34 PM PST by dools0007world
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To: lbryce

By end of the week they will be claiming it was nothing more than an errant weather balloon.


24 posted on 11/09/2010 4:57:25 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

Swamp gas...


25 posted on 11/09/2010 5:00:30 PM PST by LRS ("This is silly! It can't be! It can't be!!" "Oh yes it is! I said you wouldn't know the joint.")
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To: lbryce

If it was a jet well that ought to be easy enough to verify.

All planes are tracked by NORAD and the FAA.

It doesn’t look like contrails looks more like exaust from a solid rocket booster.

Wouldn’t there be other planes in the sky trailing contrails? I see them all the time overhead and there will be many of them, not just one.


26 posted on 11/09/2010 5:00:45 PM PST by democratsaremyenemy
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To: Errant
Even a BROKEN Trident travels much faster:

But not a Space Shuttle. There are a lot of variables, not the least of which is the distance of the camera from the object.

ML/NJ

27 posted on 11/09/2010 5:00:56 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: lbryce

Top Aviation Journalist Runs Test Explanation Up Flagpole.


28 posted on 11/09/2010 5:01:29 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Save the liver!)
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To: mazda77

LOL!


29 posted on 11/09/2010 5:03:03 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: roses of sharon

I saw the interview. The guy is way beyond his “use by” date. Among other things he actually said, staring knowingly into the reporterettes eyes, that the missle came from an “underwater submarine”.

Actually the defense department take is just as amusing. It says the thing we all saw in the video, with an orange exhaust glow and rocket-like plume of smoke being jetted backward, could have been a conventional aircraft vapor trail. Something to do with being an optical illusion. Uh, tail number please.

But let’s run through the real possibilities on the assumption it was a rocket:

1. Misfire by US Navy vessel. Not good.
2. Misfire by foreign vessel. Not good. Especially this close to West Coast.
3. Warning shot by foreign vessel. See comment 2 above.

There is no up side to this story for the Defense Dept. or the Usurping Onada Administration.


30 posted on 11/09/2010 5:05:40 PM PST by dools0007world
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To: Tolsti2

Then I suggest the FAA gets busy, releases to the public the airline and flight number along with the radar images as well as the fix data. That should be simple enough and will stop the story dead.


31 posted on 11/09/2010 5:06:08 PM PST by Toespi
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

If this was only a jet, it wouldn’t be a unique event.

Why haven’t we see MANY MORE episodes like this
in the past?


32 posted on 11/09/2010 5:06:46 PM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: lbryce

we saw it and it wasn’t any jet, it was a rocket.


33 posted on 11/09/2010 5:07:25 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Tolsti2
Yes, the true believers are common lot. It becomes harder and harder to stifle a tut, tut aimed in their direction.

34 posted on 11/09/2010 5:08:14 PM PST by I see my hands (How's that ballot box thing working out for you?)
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To: ml/nj
But not a Space Shuttle. There are a lot of variables, not the least of which is the distance of the camera from the object.

The Space Shuttle reaches earth orbit and a speed of 17,500 MPH in just 7 Minutes.

35 posted on 11/09/2010 5:09:03 PM PST by Errant
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To: Wissa

>> The more the evidence, the louder the cries of “Conspiracy!”. <<

For sure. The fact that there’s so much evidence just PROVES how sneaky the conspirators are. These demons obviously are experts at manufacturing evidence and then making it look real!


36 posted on 11/09/2010 5:10:10 PM PST by Hawthorn
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To: goodnesswins
Obama, China, Iran, Russia, North Korea, Pakistan, Al-Queda and anybody else who believes Obama is really the Commander in Chief in control of the Football.
37 posted on 11/09/2010 5:10:12 PM PST by hflynn (The One has been reduced to the Zero)
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To: Regulator
Not shocked that it's a journalism major saying the silly stuff...

What does it take to become a "journalism major" anyway? Ability to turn about and lie on a dime?

38 posted on 11/09/2010 5:11:08 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: cgbg
I haven’t followed this in detail—but could it have been a shoulder fired missile from a terrorist aimed at a plane?

The plume was MUCH bigger than that.

39 posted on 11/09/2010 5:12:04 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: lbryce

He’s full of crap


40 posted on 11/09/2010 5:13:07 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: lbryce
Video - You Decide
41 posted on 11/09/2010 5:14:06 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Errant

It would be the world’s slowest rocket for sure. The plume in the video doesn’t move like a real one either. It’s clearly a reflective jet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFKcMd8AME0

These things get up high enough so that the plume changes color/shape entirely after just a minute or so, not hover around like a contrail as this ‘mystery’ ones.

It’s just an amazing optical illusion and the timing was perfect to get that angle to look how it does.


42 posted on 11/09/2010 5:14:39 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: TomGuy
By end of the week they will be claiming it was nothing more than an errant weather balloon.

Or the planet Venus.

"That was Detective Manners. He said they just found your "bleepin'" UFO. "

43 posted on 11/09/2010 5:15:57 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Watching the tape it is clear that there is only one exhaust trail. It might have been a single engine fighter with the afterburner on, but where did it take off from, 35 miles out to sea?

I've been watching missiles(rockets) for the entire space age, ever since Vanguard and Farsides, and this was a missile.

44 posted on 11/09/2010 5:16:15 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Watching the tape it is clear that there is only one exhaust trail. It might have been a single engine fighter with the afterburner on, but where did it take off from, 35 miles out to sea?

I've been watching missiles(rockets) for the entire space age, ever since Vanguard and Farsides, and this was a missile.

45 posted on 11/09/2010 5:16:26 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: lbryce

Michelle: "Dammit, Barry, keep your hands off the controls!"


46 posted on 11/09/2010 5:17:21 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: CondorFlight

Because it wasn’t off the California coast... I dont’ know for sure as no one does but an F-18 in burner could sure produce the same effect for a dumbass journalist......


47 posted on 11/09/2010 5:19:50 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: dools0007world

Maybe the Navy just fired one up to mess with Obama during his trip.


48 posted on 11/09/2010 5:22:16 PM PST by TBall
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To: Tolsti2
I agree. The appearance of flame is probably the sun reflecting off the underside of the wings and body. Amazingly similar but the speed is what leads me to believe it is an aircraft or like you say, the slowest rocket/missile in the world.
49 posted on 11/09/2010 5:23:02 PM PST by Errant
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To: lbryce

Who did this expert vote for?


50 posted on 11/09/2010 5:23:19 PM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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