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Unless they find an alternative to halogenated carbon compounds for refrigerants, we might have to revert to ammonia. Next up, basic, aka, caustic rain? At least ammonium nitrate is a fertilizer, among other uses.
1 posted on 11/09/2010 10:14:26 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

This is called - one last try before dying.


2 posted on 11/09/2010 10:16:49 PM PST by jd777
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To: neverdem
How does rehashing the same old nonsense over and over and over again mean 'novel tactic' ???

Bring back the Freon, bring back Airwick, heck bring back that stoopit "The Dry Look" hairspray ... who cares! LOL

3 posted on 11/09/2010 10:19:50 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: neverdem

So we’ll just twist the meanings of things until it says what we want it too. :)


4 posted on 11/09/2010 10:21:56 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: neverdem; steelyourfaith

Bump


5 posted on 11/09/2010 10:26:13 PM PST by tubebender
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To: neverdem

C’mon demscum, try to shoehorn cap-and-trade into a 20 year old treaty. Go for it obama and the rest of you socialists, you fascist morons. You think the backlash over obamacare was bad in 2010? You have NO IDEA what the backlash from that will be in 2012.


7 posted on 11/09/2010 10:32:29 PM PST by piytar (There is evil. There is no such thing as moderate evil. Never forget.)
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8 posted on 11/09/2010 10:34:24 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
The treaty, the Montreal Protocol, was adopted in 1987 for a completely different purpose, to eliminate aerosols and other chemicals that were blowing a hole in the Earth’s protective ozone layer.

It was a VOLCANO that was blowing said hole, not spray cans.

Repeat a lie often enough...

9 posted on 11/09/2010 10:34:42 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: neverdem
“Eliminating HFCs under the Montreal Protocol is the single biggest chunk of climate protection we can get in the next few years,” said Durwood Zaelke, president of the Institute for Governance and Sustainable Development, a nongovernment organization based in Washington.

I take it DuPont has a new refrigerant?

10 posted on 11/09/2010 10:36:31 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: neverdem
"Climate FIGHT" huh? Doesn't sound at all "scientific" to me. Sounds like a bunch of commie scumbag politicians reaching into our wallets again.
11 posted on 11/09/2010 10:42:45 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("In God We Trust", everyone else must show proof of citizenship.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

eco-bohica...


12 posted on 11/09/2010 11:25:30 PM PST by piasa
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To: neverdem
Is it safe to say now that the debate is not over?

Of course it's hard to say it ever began when only one side gets any press.

13 posted on 11/09/2010 11:32:06 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: neverdem

How about banning “living, breathing” treaties for the gas that politicians emit from them?


14 posted on 11/09/2010 11:56:10 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL OR REBEL! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: neverdem

““Eliminating HFCs under the Montreal Protocol is the single biggest chunk of climate protection we can get in the next few years,” said Durwood Zaelke, president of the Institute for Governance and Sustainable Development, a nongovernment organization based in Washington. “

““Eliminating enemies, both external and internal to the United States is the single biggest chunk of climate protection we can get in the next few years,” said Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison Jr. etc. signatories of the US Constition, our founding document based in Washington.””


16 posted on 11/10/2010 1:20:13 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Remember March 23, 1775. Remember March 23, 2010)
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To: neverdem

There is a common gas that could be used as an almost exact pressure/gas replacement for R-12.
R-12 was commonly used in refrigerators, freezers and automobile ACs.
A gas we are all familiar with.
Propane.

Of course that brings on other potential problems.

Most all the ‘new’ refrigerants are mixtures.
What that means is one component of the mixture has a different pressure/gas boiling point.
Any leak in the system requires all the refrigerant be removed, then new refrigerant added back after the leak repair.
You can’t simply add refrigerant as one component of the mixture likely leaked at a different rate than the other, changing the refrigerant percentages and capabilities of the charge.


17 posted on 11/10/2010 2:53:01 AM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: neverdem
In DC ...every 20 years ..a bunch of bureaucrats shoot for SES promotions in to 200-250,000 thousand salary level. To “justify” their claims for promotion, a big new “initiative has to be on deck. (Remember immigration 1986, and the attempt in 2006)..Letting down the borders is the fastest way to achieve a huge bump in population and a corresponding “need” at the Federal level, for executive leadership.

Its always about the money.

20 posted on 11/10/2010 4:11:56 AM PST by mo
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To: neverdem

There is so much money (grant $$$) involved and so many scientists whose gravy trains are tied to it...this beast will still be twitching long after its death.


25 posted on 11/10/2010 6:28:49 AM PST by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: neverdem
*The chemicals have thousands of times the global warming potential of carbon dioxide, the most prevalent greenhouse gas.*

In other words, “Co2 doesn't really have any significant impact if the other chemicals have “thousands of times the global warming potential.” So then, if CO2 will cause the Earth's temperature to rise 1 or 2 degrees, then these other chemicals will raise the Earth's temperature 1000 or 2000 degrees? Why wasn't the Earth's temperature several thousand degrees when these chemicals were unregulated?

They got a lot of ‘splainin’ to do!

26 posted on 11/10/2010 7:20:09 AM PST by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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To: neverdem

“The chemicals have thousands of times the global warming potential of carbon dioxide’

Why not “Billions of times” then they could sound like Carl Sagan?

Why not “zillions of times” as long as they are making things up?


27 posted on 11/10/2010 7:21:46 AM PST by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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To: neverdem; Vinnie
we might have to revert to ammonia

Ah, I well remember the choking smell of ammonia around the commercial ice houses back in the distant past.

Vinnie is correct. Functionally, propane is an excellent refrigerant. Unfortunately, it has some drawbacks, like being flammable when (not if) a leak develops.

30 posted on 11/10/2010 7:08:07 PM PST by Ole Okie (American.)
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