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Obama Hails Indonesia as Model for World
BBC News Online ^ | 10 Nov | unk

Posted on 11/10/2010 5:57:28 AM PST by greatplains

US President Barack Obama has held up Indonesia as an example of how a developing nation can embrace democracy and diversity. (snip)

Mr Obama said innocent people across the world were still targeted by militants but emphasised that the US was not at war with Islam.(snip)

In his address, he touched on the four years he spent in the country as a child and emphasised the importance of Indonesia's example as a growing economy and a majority-Muslim nation that is largely tolerant of other religions.

"Today, I return to Indonesia as a friend, but also as a president who seeks a deep and enduring partnership between our two countries," he said. (snip)

He also highlighted the role religion had played in Indonesia's development, praising the country's spirituality and "rich diversity".

"Just as individuals are not defined solely by their faith, Indonesia is defined by more than its Muslim population," he said.

"But we also know that relations between the United States and Muslim communities have frayed over many years. As president, I have made it a priority to begin to repair these relations."

He said more work needed to be done to address "the issues that have caused tensions for many years" but appealed for unity to defeat "violent extremists".

"I have made it clear that America is not, and never will be, at war with Islam," he said.

"Instead, all of us must work together to defeat al-Qaeda and its affiliates, who have no claim to be leaders of any religion - certainly not a great, world religion like Islam. But those who want to build must not cede ground to terrorists who seek to destroy. This is not a task for America alone."(snip)

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antiamerican; indonesia; muslim; obama; obamaindonesiatrip; obamalegacy; obamaonreligion; proislamist
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The title of the article alone is enough to make you ill. The more you read, the worse it gets.
1 posted on 11/10/2010 5:57:30 AM PST by greatplains
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To: greatplains

Barak’s vision for America!


2 posted on 11/10/2010 5:58:45 AM PST by stocksthatgoup
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To: greatplains
....and emphasised the importance of Indonesia's example as a growing economy and a majority-Muslim nation that is largely tolerant of other religions.

Yes, it's the ethnic Chinese they really hate.

3 posted on 11/10/2010 6:00:21 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: greatplains

The citizens of East Timor were grateful to be included in such a diverse and tolerant cultural expansion

sarc


4 posted on 11/10/2010 6:00:34 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: greatplains

All I hear is blah, blah, blah. The only thing he is, is a speech giver. He has no right to be president, he hates this country, wants to shape it to his ways (socialism) and he will not stop til he succeeds or is impeached!


5 posted on 11/10/2010 6:01:28 AM PST by blondee123 (REPEAL OBAMACARE, NO NEW TAXES, NO NEW SPENDING!)
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To: stocksthatgoup

red states = East Timor

Got to break a few eggs to make an progressive omelet


6 posted on 11/10/2010 6:01:41 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: greatplains

Don’t stop there, Mr. President. Let’s hear some specifics. Tell us about the things that make Indonesia such a Model For the World.


7 posted on 11/10/2010 6:01:59 AM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: greatplains

What has this guy been smoking


8 posted on 11/10/2010 6:03:36 AM PST by mel (since progressive is code word for anti- i am a progressive progressive)
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To: stocksthatgoup
When you are young, the world around you "imprints" on you and THAT world becomes the model. Recently I was on a tour in Barbados. One DARNED POOR island ... sad. But the bus came up a hill and around a corner and there's a brand new elementary school. The "Eric Holder Senior Elementary School". I asked, is that the "same" Holder family that we have at the top of our government? The answer, yes, this is the grandfather.

It hit me that Holder's "idea" of what America should be has to do with the world he came into contact with as a young person. These people REALLY DO believe the third world is the template for the world ... and for the USA by default. It takes my breath to think we'd have people running the USA Government that believe something like Indonesia or Barbados is the template for success.

This explains everything ... what have the libs done to us?

9 posted on 11/10/2010 6:04:14 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (You are just jealous because the voices aren't talking to YOU!)
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To: greatplains
"I return to Indonesia as a friend"

How about returning there FOR GOOD!
10 posted on 11/10/2010 6:05:28 AM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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To: greatplains

What he is wishing for us.......a religion that treats it’s women as dirt.

A religion that respects no honorable values.

A religion filled with depraved indifference for human life.


11 posted on 11/10/2010 6:06:07 AM PST by Carley (WE SAW NOVEMBER FROM OUR HOUSE)
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To: greatplains
"Today, I return to Indonesia as a friend, but also as a president who seeks a deep and enduring partnership between our two countries,"

Because you have divided loyalties which the founders addressed by requiring natural born citizenship. This just goes to show the prescience the framers had.

12 posted on 11/10/2010 6:08:00 AM PST by Malsua
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To: Anoreth

When you come back from your next deployment, the United States will be like Indonesia! Buy stock in the company that makes anti-diarrhea pills ...


13 posted on 11/10/2010 6:10:22 AM PST by Tax-chick (The alligator ate my friend. He will eat your friend, too. Then he will eat Tom.)
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To: Tax-chick

Barry just wants to be king and rule in exile from the Taj.


14 posted on 11/10/2010 6:13:18 AM PST by freebird5850 (When 0bama fails, FREEDOM prevails!)
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To: greatplains
Isn't Indonesia the nation that is murdering Christians on some South Moluccan Islands?

And aren't they doing the same to Christian in East Timor?

15 posted on 11/10/2010 6:14:12 AM PST by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: greatplains; Fred Nerks; Islaminaction

America and Indonesia have very few shared values!!!! And Indonesian “democracy” has VERY shallow roots in that country.

As for Indonesian islam, remember the Bali bombings, Australia’s 9/11:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombings

And remember the Laskar Jihad, and its vile atrocities against Ambon Christians:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laskar_Jihad

Then there are the anti-Christinan wars in West Papua, and the recent church burnings in central Indonesia.

No American should believe obama, a muslim communist who is working to turn our country into a sharia-influenced Third World autocracy. His lies about Indonesian muslim “tolerance” are part and parcel of his monstrous scam against the American people and against the entire world!!!!


16 posted on 11/10/2010 6:15:28 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: freebird5850

Phhhhpt. Let him rule Indonesia, then.


17 posted on 11/10/2010 6:17:25 AM PST by Tax-chick (The alligator ate my friend. He will eat your friend, too. Then he will eat Tom.)
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To: Steely Tom
Don’t stop there, Mr. President. Let’s hear some specifics. Tell us about the things that make Indonesia such a Model For the World.

You won't get that, only the usual progressive pap about diversity. I'd love to see a study about the effects of increasing the % of muslims in a country vs that country's standard of living over a period of time.

18 posted on 11/10/2010 6:20:27 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: Stepan12
read the history of Indonesia's invasion of East Timor

It was genocide, not just against Christians but Chinese immigrants and all natives who resisted Indonesia occupation. The Indonesian military acted just like the WW2 Japanese did when they occupied a nation- except this time, the USA provided a diplomatic green light and military support to our man Suharto

19 posted on 11/10/2010 6:22:52 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: greatplains

Maybe he should run for president of Indonesia, than he and his wife can move there forever.


20 posted on 11/10/2010 6:23:26 AM PST by madison10
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To: Steely Tom
He must be talking about the type of tolerance that causes the decapitation of young Christian girls walking home from school. That is the tolerance we can expect from islam.
21 posted on 11/10/2010 6:23:55 AM PST by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

Very good post.


22 posted on 11/10/2010 6:24:25 AM PST by arkady_renko
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To: greatplains
Obama Hails Indonesia as Model for World

Demands America Change Its Evil Ways

Man, what a (censored).

23 posted on 11/10/2010 6:25:15 AM PST by Darkwolf377 ( Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy! --E. Cartman)
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To: greatplains
Huge losses for Democrats in 2010, yet they still will be fronting Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Barack Obama.

I never DREAMED the political right-of-center, us, could get so lucky. :)

24 posted on 11/10/2010 6:27:04 AM PST by Lazamataz (Pelosi: Like a rapist, PROUD of their handiwork.)
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To: greatplains
In his address, he touched on the four years he spent in the country as a child and emphasised [sic] the importance of Indonesia's example as a growing economy and a majority-Muslim nation that is largely tolerant of other religions.

1999-2001: Fighting between Muslims and Christians in eastern Indonesia kills 9,000.

April 1999: Jakarta’s Istiqlal mosque is damaged by a bomb allegedly set off by Jemaah Islamiyah.

October 2002: Bombings on the island of Bali kill 202, mostly foreign tourists

February 2003: Bomb damages Indonesia 's national police headquarters complex in Jakarta,

April 2003: Pipe bomb goes off outside the main UN building in downtown Jakarta.

April 2003: A bomb explodes near at Jakarta's main airport, injuring eleven people.

July 2003: Bomb rocks Indonesia's parliament days after police arrest nine Islamist militants capturing explosives capable of making a bomb ten times more powerful than those used in the Bali attack.

August 2003: Ten people killed and scores injured when a bomb blast rips Jakarta's foreign embassy and business district.

September 2004: A suicide bomber sets off a ton of explosives in a delivery van outside the Australian Embassy. Kills 11 and wounds 200.

October 2005: The Bali bombings were a series of terrorist suicide bomb and car bombs in Bali, Indonesia. At least 26 people killed and more than 100 others injured.

July 2009: Bombs explode inside the Ritz-Carlton and Marriott hotels in Jakarta. Nine killed and more than 50 wounded.

Obviously just a bunch of tolerant, fun-loving Indonesian 'youths' having a good time with their homeys.

25 posted on 11/10/2010 6:28:03 AM PST by newheart (Please don't shoot at the thermonuclear weapons. --Vic Deakins)
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To: newheart

In addition, Obama hates non-Muslim Australians almost as much as he hates non-Muslim Americans.


26 posted on 11/10/2010 6:31:46 AM PST by livius
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To: greatplains

The guy is an idiot.

Indonesia’s treatment of the Catholics of East Timor fell just short of genocide and warranted the severing of that place. Now, with East Timor an independent nation, with an overwhelmingly Muslim population, Indonesia has “solved” the problem of diversity. The few ethnic Chinese, Christians and animists accept their place.

Nowadays, the country has a tiny problem with separatists in the northern part of Sumatra. With outside mediation, it has been granted the status of an autonomous territory. The people of this region are Muslims, like the overwhelming of Indonesians throughout the country, but have always resisted outsiders.

The inability of Indonesia to peacefully accommodate diversity is typical of primitive peoples and much of the Islamic world following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Tribalism manifests itself in intolerance of minorities and suspicion of outsiders. We are seeing tensions within the Islamic world as many seek greater liberalization and openness, along with the economic benefits of modernization. Nigeria is beset with tribal conflict, South Sudan may declare its independence of the north, the continuing pogroms of Coptic Christians in Egypt, the challenge of Sunni and Shi’ite Arabs living peacefully together in Iraq, the Gulf States, Yemen and elsewhere, these do not portray a religion of peace but a religion with many adherents who are tribal and primitive. Were Islam the superior religion its adherents claim it to be, we wouldn’t see these things, and the pretense that these things don’t happen is a lie.

To characterize Indonesia as a model is merely a throwaway line for the immediate gratification of those present. Indonesia is correctly described as an example of the challenges facing the under-developed world.

Indonesia also had the problem of an authoritarian and kleptocratic government, until the East Asian Currency Crisis knocked down their house of cards. Of course, such problems are not unique to Indonesia. What followed was in some ways honorable and other ways not. Taking everything into account and being realistic, I would say the country can take pride in its struggles during the past 15 or so years.

But, if we were to be fair about things, what would say about the United States? Would we see only the bad in the U.S. and only the good in foreign countries?

This unfairness is, at its base, racist. It is based on a suspicion of all things white and the acceptance of all things from people of color. It denies that we are all created equal and it is anti-American, anti-Christian, and anti-liberal.


27 posted on 11/10/2010 6:33:11 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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"But we also know that relations between the United States and Muslim communities have frayed over many years. As president, I have made it a priority to begin to repair these relations."

What has frayed our relations? Obviously, from his world view, the United States is to blame and he must 'fix' what all who came before him have broken. At least he is putting it out in the open; not that it will matter.

Evidently, his PRIORITY is really not to get our 'car out of the ditch', but rather to suck up to foreign powers.

28 posted on 11/10/2010 6:35:27 AM PST by arkady_renko
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To: greatplains
It is now obvious that O-Hole is smoking crack.
29 posted on 11/10/2010 6:36:27 AM PST by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: greatplains

In 1982 I read that Indonesia has the highest male population of homosexuals.

In the last 10 years I can think of no other country which has lost more life to “natural disasters”.

God is issuing warnings just as He said He would.


30 posted on 11/10/2010 6:36:38 AM PST by liberty or death
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To: Jemian

ping...g...g...g


31 posted on 11/10/2010 6:38:07 AM PST by SnarlinCubBear (Sarcasma - Comforting relief from the use of irony, mocking and conveying contempt)
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To: greatplains

It used to be that the U.S.A. was a model for the world.


32 posted on 11/10/2010 6:39:02 AM PST by crosshairs (Guns have two enemies: Rust and Politicians)
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To: greatplains

He’s insane.


33 posted on 11/10/2010 6:39:35 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Lockbar

” For the First time in my adult life I can be proud of my country” — Barack Hossein Soetero


34 posted on 11/10/2010 6:40:50 AM PST by slorunner
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To: greatplains
[ Obama Hails Indonesia as Model for World ]

DOOH!..

35 posted on 11/10/2010 6:42:18 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: greatplains
I remember when American voters preferred leaders who loved this country and said things like, "America is a shining city upon a hill whose beacon light guides freedom-loving people everywhere." Barry Obama is a sad and lonely failure, but he's not America's long term problem. The real problem is voters who think an America-hating socialist is a good choice to lead that shining city on the hill. Even with the large number of dead and fictional voters supporting liberalism, there is something wrong if we can't get enough real Americans to the polls to defeat Obama and his followers in 2012, now that the American people know what they chose in 2008.
36 posted on 11/10/2010 6:43:01 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: SnarlinCubBear

I have no comment except to say that this isn’t the first time and won’t be the last Caligula and I have disagreed.


37 posted on 11/10/2010 6:46:17 AM PST by Jemian (I stand with Cam.)
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To: greatplains

“Submit to the Islamic supremacists.”


38 posted on 11/10/2010 6:54:05 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: greatplains
This Indonesia?


39 posted on 11/10/2010 6:58:42 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: greatplains

A model of a stinking sewer to be avoided!


40 posted on 11/10/2010 7:04:06 AM PST by dalereed
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To: txhurl
"I have made it clear that America is not, and never will be, at war with Islam," he said.

Well you dumb Shiite zero, islam IS at war with all other cultures.

This idiot is going to get us all killed.

41 posted on 11/10/2010 7:28:23 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Work harder than ever for 2012.)
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To: Steely Tom
Perhaps the model for Obama is the pervasive and systemic corruption, and the multitude of onerous government regulations on businesses and personal lives. Or maybe it is the lack of sanitation, paved roads, transportation, and medical care. Or could it be the tolerance and hospitality shown to the Bali bombers and the lack of tolerance shown to religious and ethnic minorities.
42 posted on 11/10/2010 7:30:59 AM PST by Cheesehead In Dubai (used to be Cheesehead in Texas, but I moved)
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To: stocksthatgoup

Then STAY there, NObama. We won’t miss you in the least.

Nor Sasquatch.


43 posted on 11/10/2010 8:36:27 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: greatplains

“America is not, and never will be, at war with Islam”.

How can ANY person say this?

With the expotential growth of the radicals who wish to destroy anything NOT Muslim, that is an insane comment—no matter who makes it.


44 posted on 11/10/2010 8:38:01 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Tax-chick

Ugh. Surabaya was the one place on the patrol where we weren’t allowed to walk around openly.
Also the only place with a beauty show..very interesting. Gigantic eastern wedding dresses. I saw Robin Hood, too. I think.


45 posted on 11/10/2010 11:02:53 AM PST by Anoreth (....a fetid behemoth of toxic pustules oozing all over the basement....)
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To: Anoreth

The mall with the wedding dress show, right? And wasn’t that where you all got food poisoning from the street-vendor curry?


46 posted on 11/10/2010 11:16:34 AM PST by Tax-chick (The alligator ate my friend. He will eat your friend, too. Then he will eat Tom.)
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To: Tax-chick

No. That was beer on the pier in Thailand. Best Thai food I’ve had. Felt nasty all that week.


47 posted on 11/10/2010 11:26:25 AM PST by Anoreth (....a fetid behemoth of toxic pustules oozing all over the basement....)
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To: Anoreth

Sometimes you just have to pay the piper. It reminds me of P.J. O’Rourke’s trip to Vietnam ... incredibly delicious food and ghastly diarrhea.


48 posted on 11/10/2010 11:28:19 AM PST by Tax-chick (The alligator ate my friend. He will eat your friend, too. Then he will eat Tom.)
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To: Anoreth

Was Indonesia the place with a fried egg on every dish?


49 posted on 11/10/2010 11:29:24 AM PST by Tax-chick (The alligator ate my friend. He will eat your friend, too. Then he will eat Tom.)
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To: Tax-chick

That was everywhere. I get eggs with every meal, now. Extra proteins.


50 posted on 11/10/2010 11:35:07 AM PST by Anoreth (....a fetid behemoth of toxic pustules oozing all over the basement....)
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