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Flight attendants union upset over new pat-down procedures
abc15.com ^ | 11-10-10 | Christopher Sign

Posted on 11/10/2010 7:26:37 AM PST by rawhide

A flight attendants union with 2,000 members is upset over what it calls "invasive pat-downs" recently implemented by the TSA.

"We're getting calls daily about peoples' experiences, our members are concerned," said Deborah Volpe, Vice President of the Association of Flight Attendants Local 66.

Volpe confirmed that the union is offering advice to its flight attendants, who mostly work for Tempe-based USAirways, involving the security moves.

According to a union email obtained by ABC15, it tells flight attendants if they opt out of using the body scanner through security and are required to undergo a pat-down to ask the pat-down be conducted in a private area with a witness.

"We don't want them in uniform going through this enhanced screening where their private areas are being touched in public," said Volpe. "They actually make contact with the genital area."

Some passengers have told ABC15 they've already encountered flight delays due to crew members having problems with TSA employees.

"It (delay) was over three hours when they finally found a crew member to take her place," said Les Johnson who says his Charlotte bound flight was delayed. "She (flight attendant) felt that she was groped and supposedly filed a claim."

"They've already contacted the ACLU," said Volpe when referring to some members of the union. "We don't know if somebody may have had an experience with a sexual assault and its (pat-down) going to drudge up some bad memories."

Volpe made it clear the union is not against security.

"Security is the most important aspect, our offices were used as murder weapons," said Volpe. "Keep in mind we undergo extensive background checks and we fly quite often."

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1 posted on 11/10/2010 7:26:43 AM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide

What is the long-term danger of these scanners on people who travel frequently. Cancer???????


2 posted on 11/10/2010 7:28:33 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: rawhide

GOooooo flight attendants! Hopefully they can get this insanity stopped.


3 posted on 11/10/2010 7:31:11 AM PST by Irenic
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To: rawhide

The perverts get their jollies from sending kids and women through those scanners and now if the traveler refuses to be strip scanned they get groped and molested?

Wow.

Abolish the TSA.


4 posted on 11/10/2010 7:31:14 AM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

None. It’s far infrared, not x-rays.


5 posted on 11/10/2010 7:32:14 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 659 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: rawhide
"We don't want them in uniform going through this enhanced screening where their private areas are being touched in public," said Volpe. "They actually make contact with the genital area."

Just look what people are put through now...private areas touched in public? And we simply accept it. All because of Muslims. All because we won't "racially profile." How long before we all have to strip down to our undies or less at the airport, and all of us, like sheep, meekly do it?

I think I'm through with flying.

6 posted on 11/10/2010 7:32:25 AM PST by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: GeronL

Why can’t we go back to where it was? Before the naked body scanners and new groping procedures?


7 posted on 11/10/2010 7:33:02 AM PST by rawhide
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To: GeronL
Abolish the TSA.

...and arm the passengers and crew.

8 posted on 11/10/2010 7:33:24 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 659 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: rawhide
Why can’t we go back to where it was? Before the naked body scanners and new groping procedures?

islam still exists.

Why that is, I have no idea.

9 posted on 11/10/2010 7:34:47 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 659 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: rawhide

If the airlines are going ahead with this invasive patting down I think they’d better buy their passengers dinner and a movie. It only seems fair.


10 posted on 11/10/2010 7:35:00 AM PST by Mobties (Let the markets work! Reduce the government footprint!)
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To: rawhide

No more flying. Period.


11 posted on 11/10/2010 7:35:56 AM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: rawhide
All this because some Saudi's boarded four planes in 2001 and attacked America.

All middle easterners leaving the middle east must sit in a waiting room ... or gymnasium ... long enough for every national agency (American, British, French .. whatever) to thoroughly check you out before you even enter the passenger area of an airport.

Screw your dignity and privacy ... they're repairable, lost lives are not.

Another check at the end flight.


This is an age of electronics and communications ... if "business people" must travel to another country, I personally don't buy the "it's business" story.

If you're an Iraqi that wants to vacation in the USA ... plan three weeks ... two for the security hold and investigation(s) and one to see sights.

12 posted on 11/10/2010 7:39:04 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: null and void

The Israelis are developing an airport security device that eliminates the privacy concerns that come with full-body scanners at the airports.

It’s an armored booth you step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have on your person. They see this as a win-win situation for everyone, with none of this crap about racial profiling. It also would eliminate the costs of a long and expensive trial. Justice would be swift. Case closed!

You’re in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter an announcement comes over the PA system... “Attention standby passengers — we now have a seat available on flight number 6709. Shalom!”


13 posted on 11/10/2010 7:39:14 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: Mobties
If the airlines are going ahead with this invasive patting down I think they’d better buy their passengers dinner and a movie. It only seems fair.

Yeah, but now you can't smoke a cigarette afterwards...
14 posted on 11/10/2010 7:40:37 AM PST by BikerJoe
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To: Irenic

they are only working to exempt themselves, not the sheeple in coach

OTOH, many of the male flight attendants seem like the type who would enjoy having their junk massaged by the TSA


15 posted on 11/10/2010 7:42:02 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

yes, skin cancer


16 posted on 11/10/2010 7:42:12 AM PST by MadelineZapeezda (Skin-color counters are bigots!!!!!!!!!!....(thanks paulycy))
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To: rawhide
According to a union email obtained by ABC15, it tells flight attendants if they opt out of using the body scanner through security and are required to undergo a pat-down to ask the pat-down be conducted in a private area with a witness.

I read on an 'Opt Out' site that it's better to demand the pat-downs in a public area - refuse going to a private room.

17 posted on 11/10/2010 7:42:26 AM PST by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: rawhide

What do you want to bet that the government screeners doing the same-sex pat downs include a very large number of homosexual men and lesbians? All in the name of diversity, of course.


18 posted on 11/10/2010 7:42:52 AM PST by iowamark
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To: Mobties

LOL! Dinner and a movie, or at least send flowers after


19 posted on 11/10/2010 7:42:57 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: MadelineZapeezda

Source please?


20 posted on 11/10/2010 7:43:38 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 659 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void
It's low dose radiation

just one of the articles

21 posted on 11/10/2010 7:44:06 AM PST by MadelineZapeezda (Skin-color counters are bigots!!!!!!!!!!....(thanks paulycy))
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To: GeronL

TSA=purveyors of kiddie porn...


22 posted on 11/10/2010 7:44:25 AM PST by donmeaker ("Get off my lawn." Clint Eastwood, Green Ford Torino)
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To: rawhide

They can thank the underwear bomber for this.


23 posted on 11/10/2010 7:44:25 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012)
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To: toldyou

“paging wet clean-up to security area”

excellent


24 posted on 11/10/2010 7:44:27 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: rawhide

Has anyone pointed out that neither the body scanners nor these invasive pat-downs would have detected the underpants bomber?


25 posted on 11/10/2010 7:45:23 AM PST by bigbob
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Remember those fluoroscopes in shoe stores decades ago?

I travel fairly frequently, I will opt out of this scanner. The grope-frisk will stop, too. I remember when they first started doing the back of the hand frisking, too, they’ve all but stopped that (in my experience).

I’m not waiting to hear 5 years from now that there is an increased risk of ANYTHING with exposure to the full body scanner. Just put me in the other line.

This is so totally reactive anyway. When they start smuggling explosives in body cavities or swallowing them, what will TSA/Homeland Security want then...pre-admission colonoscopies? Were does this end?


26 posted on 11/10/2010 7:46:28 AM PST by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: null and void; rawhide

I’m in favor of armed pilots. or at least co-pilots, lol.


27 posted on 11/10/2010 7:46:34 AM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: knarf

I would make EVERYONE FROM AN ARAB COUNTRY submit to a full body cavity strip search AND x-ray, until they figure out that they have to help out getting rid of muslims terrorists.

All this thanks to one man- Yassir Arafat- the inventor of tactics involving planes.


28 posted on 11/10/2010 7:46:53 AM PST by Mr. K (physically unable to see typos until I click 'post')
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To: MadelineZapeezda
From your source:

"'To put the issue in perspective, the radiation received from the scanning process is the equivalent to two minutes radiation received on a Transatlantic flight.

'Recent press publications have been a little alarmist and may have heightened concern in frequent travellers who may worry about their repeated exposure."

29 posted on 11/10/2010 7:46:58 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 659 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: silverleaf

OTOH, many of the male flight attendants seem like the type who would enjoy having their junk massaged by the TSA
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I have wondered if men should opt out of the scan and wear cucumbers. That or do as somebody on FR suggested— wait for them to go low and then pass gas in their face. :p


30 posted on 11/10/2010 7:47:53 AM PST by Irenic
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To: null and void
There are hundreds of sources....just google 'radiation in airport body scanners'

here's another

31 posted on 11/10/2010 7:47:58 AM PST by MadelineZapeezda (Skin-color counters are bigots!!!!!!!!!!....(thanks paulycy))
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To: donmeaker

lol. not technically, but pretty close.


32 posted on 11/10/2010 7:48:19 AM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Yes. This is such garbage. I was x-rayed the last time I flew and I am pretty much done with flying.


33 posted on 11/10/2010 7:48:41 AM PST by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
What is the long-term danger of these scanners on people who travel frequently. Cancer???????

About the same amount of radiation you get from three minutes of the flight at cruise altitude.

34 posted on 11/10/2010 7:50:24 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: Mr. K

35 posted on 11/10/2010 7:50:40 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 659 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: rawhide
Interesting comment by a reader:

I recently returned from the South Pacific and had to connect through LAX and finally home.

I will explain I'm your average WASP, White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.

At LAX I had to change terminals for my connector. Checking in, I was greeted by a angry female African-American agent. After pleasantries were exchanged and I finally received my boarding pass I watched as the agent took out a pink hi-lite and marked my boarding pass.

I noted the person behind me was of African-American descent and watched the agents demeanor change instantly. I decided to watch this particular agent as something just didnt fit. What I noticed was astoundingly shocking. Every white person who dealt with this agent had a pink hi-lite mark on their boarding pass. What was more astounding was every (white) person with a pink hi-lite was automatically sent for secondary screening regardless if they passed the initial screening. I was thoroughly incensed and brought my objections to this 'profiling' to the airlines management. What I'm getting at, is your only as good as the person you are dealing with. In this case, this individual thought her way of 'higher security' was to annoy caucasians.

36 posted on 11/10/2010 7:51:01 AM PST by rawhide
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To: MadelineZapeezda
yes, skin cancer

No.

37 posted on 11/10/2010 7:51:22 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: knarf
All this because some Saudi's boarded four planes in 2001 and attacked America

That and the Left's irrational hatred of profiling ...

38 posted on 11/10/2010 7:51:47 AM PST by glennaro
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To: MadelineZapeezda

yes, skin cancer

Source please.

39 posted on 11/10/2010 7:52:22 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: GeronL

how different?


40 posted on 11/10/2010 7:52:52 AM PST by donmeaker ("Get off my lawn." Clint Eastwood, Green Ford Torino)
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To: rawhide

in this one instance I think they should mimic the French and walk off the job. Three or four days with no air travel and the gubbermint will fold like a three-dollar card table.


41 posted on 11/10/2010 7:53:23 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: null and void

Deputize the AMERICAN male and female (if they want) passengers and give them small billy clubs. The 9/11 hijackers would have been beaten to a pulp.


42 posted on 11/10/2010 7:53:37 AM PST by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: donmeaker

pornography requires a “sexual act”

Just a naked kid isn’t technically illegal. You can see that all day at “nudist” sites. They even have “beauty contests” for pre-teen girls at nudist resorts where the pervs (who should all die painfully) judge them and then they sell the DVD’s to online perverts (who should die swiftly) who couldn’t be there in person.

Obviously I’m not biased on this matter.


43 posted on 11/10/2010 7:55:37 AM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: MadelineZapeezda

Thanks for posting the link that shows that the radiation you get from the x-ray is about 1/100 of that you would get on the flight itself!


44 posted on 11/10/2010 7:56:09 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: rawhide; All

Isn’t this ridiculous?

They don’t have to remove their turbans, but the turbans will be “patted down.”

Oh yes, and this is good...they can carry a blade:
“Men have long accepted they cannot carry a sword aboard planes, Badal said, and so have modified the religious requirement by carrying pendants or blades embedded in their comb “as a symbolic symbol.”

http://cbs13.com/wireapnational/Indian.minister.asks.2.2002135.html


45 posted on 11/10/2010 7:59:15 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: MadelineZapeezda

Thanks for the link showing how the threat of cancer has been overblown.


‘To put the issue in perspective, the radiation received from the scanning process is the equivalent to two minutes radiation received on a Transatlantic flight.

‘Recent press publications have been a little alarmist and may have heightene

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1290527/Airport-body-scanners-deliver-radiation-dose-20-times-higher-thought.html#ixzz14tY45pPU


46 posted on 11/10/2010 7:59:56 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: GeronL

Are you serious? ‘beauty contest’ for pre-teen girls? No way!


47 posted on 11/10/2010 8:01:28 AM PST by rawhide
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To: SeeSac
Recently opted out of a full body scan on a flight out of Pittsburgh. Reason ... I don't like x-rays of any type no matter how low the dose. My dentist might get a routine x-ray every 3 years or so. Bottom line, I certainly can understand why airline employees choose to opt out. They go thru TSA security checks every day ... that type of exposure to full body scanners is sure to be unhealthy.
48 posted on 11/10/2010 8:04:00 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: null and void

It is radiation.

It is recommended that pregnant women and children *NOT* go through those machines.


49 posted on 11/10/2010 8:04:45 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: MadelineZapeezda
"Most of the scanners deliver less radiation than a passenger is likely to receive from cosmic rays while airborne, the report said. Scanned passengers may absorb from 0.1 to 5 microsieverts of radiation compared with 5 microsieverts on a flight from Dublin to Paris and 30 microsieverts between Frankfurt and Bangkok, the report said. A sievert is a unit of measure for radiation. "

IOW up to 300 times as much from the flight as from the scanner. Assuming a long flight and a low dose scanner. Worst case, the radiation risk from the flight itself is as great as the scan.

More perspective:

The natural dose due to the ambient radioactivity on Earth is on average 2,400 microsieverts in one year, with major differences between different countries depending on the bedrock specificity). At sea level the cosmic ray contribution is about 300 microsieverts.

IOW, if you don't fly you get about 600 times as much just sitting on your butt at home.

Are you really going to obsess about sitting home as well?

50 posted on 11/10/2010 8:05:52 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 659 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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