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Perry calls Social Security bankrupt 'Ponzi scheme'
San Antonio Express-News ^ | 11/10/10 | Josh Baugh

Posted on 11/10/2010 10:23:46 AM PST by LibertarianInExile

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To: manic4organic

Yeah I can’t remember what but he did something to tick me off.


41 posted on 11/10/2010 2:29:07 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: lormand

I would vote for Perry if he was the nominee, but may I remind you that Texas’ Governor has no real power and should disqualify anyone who has ever been Governor from running for President.


42 posted on 11/10/2010 2:48:01 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (The Republic of the United States of America)
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To: T. Jefferson
“Our focus must continue to be on the criminal elements involved with conducting criminal acts against Texans and their property. Until the federal government brings the necessary resources to bear, we will continue to commit state funding and resources for additional border security efforts in order to protect our communities and legitimate cross-border trade and travel, while enforcing the laws already on the books.”

“As the debate on immigration reform intensifies, the focus must remain on border security and the federal government's failure to adequately protect our borders. Securing our border is a federal responsibility, but it is a Texas problem, and it must be addressed before comprehensive immigration reform is discussed,” Perry said in the statement."

I agree with every word.

The anti-Perry brigade, like we've seen so often, is just typical DU Republic behavior, insulting republican politicians every chance they get, in an effort to make themselves look important.

43 posted on 11/10/2010 5:36:31 PM PST by T. Jefferson (Batton down the hatches, full speed in reverse)
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To: lormand
Sorry if I insulted you, but I am lost for the proper words to describe someone who claims that Rick Perry is a RINO.

Perry is not a conservative. Never was and never will be.

44 posted on 11/10/2010 5:58:25 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: Carry_Okie
intelligent version of GWB

Surely you jest!

GWB is more intelligent than Perry. You obviously drank the "Bush is stupid" koolaid. Not so.

45 posted on 11/10/2010 5:58:29 PM PST by lonestar
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To: lonestar
GWB is more intelligent than Perry. You obviously drank the "Bush is stupid" koolaid. Not so.

GWB is eons smarter than Perry.

46 posted on 11/10/2010 6:06:43 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: LibertarianInExile
“I want people to be afraid not to talk about that Social Security is bankrupt and is a Ponzi scheme...So let's fix it.

If something is a Ponzi scheme, shouldn't it be shut down and not fixed?

47 posted on 11/10/2010 9:48:58 PM PST by ElectronVolt
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To: lonestar
You obviously drank the "Bush is stupid" koolaid. Not so.

No, I listened to what he said and watched what he did, you know, genius moves like an education system designed by Ted Kennedy, McCain Feingold, or installing Brenner in Iraq and Parsky in California.

So.

48 posted on 11/10/2010 10:19:18 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: LibertarianInExile

Very interesting posts on Gov. Perry.

To reform S.S. we are going to need somebody who appreciates the role it plays in providing a floor under the working class. But, generally speaking, people who are born into Republican families are tone deaf with regard to the working class. They tend to think everybody is able or should be able to buy insurance, save for retirement, and so forth. When, the truth is, there’s a percentage of people who somewhere in between being truly self-responsible and not being self-responsible at all.

We can transform S.S. from a Ponzi scheme into a funded, actuarially-sound and fair system, as well as introduce a degree of choice and privatization. But, it is going to take modern day versions of people like Pat Moynihan and Bill Bradley, and the pre-2000 Joe Lieberman who are truly for the working class and not socialists.

If Rick Perry came over to the Republican Party because he realized the Democrats are no longer the party of the working class within the context of a capitalistic society, then he sounds o.k. to me. Let us, in the Republican Party, represent both those who sign the back and the front of a paycheck, and let the Democrats represent the intellectual elite and the moocher class.


49 posted on 11/11/2010 4:50:52 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Redmen4ever; LibertarianInExile
But, generally speaking, people who are born into Republican families are tone deaf with regard to the working class. They tend to think everybody is able or should be able to buy insurance, save for retirement, and so forth.

You make it sound like one must have insurance and savings for retirement. Civilization has been getting along fine for millennia without those things universally enjoyed. In its proper context, insurance and retirement savings are desired luxuries traditionally obtained as a reward for diligence and responsible living.

I remember a money guy talk about a client of his, a pastor and his wife, who served a rural community for most of his life and while he was compensated no more than ten grand a year wanted to know if he could afford to retire on the amount he was able to save and invest. The investment planner looked over their accounts and discovered by frugal and responsible living they were indeed millionaires. Now we have this gross obscenity called "pensions" that permit deadbeats to retire and live on guaranteed income for decades being granted literally millions in dollars of benefits over their retired lifetimes. And to think that pensions and SS didn't kick in until one reached the average life expectancy age.

When, the truth is, there’s a percentage of people who somewhere in between being truly self-responsible and not being self-responsible at all.

So? What is your point? That despite every advantage that civilization offered them, they still didn't manage to squirrel enough away to enjoy the lifestyle of the rich and responsible? I'm guessing that there are two things running through your mind: (1) That insurance and a pension are Human Rights, (2) You don't understand what moral hazard you are making by saying that NOT finishing the race still earns you a prize.

From a historical perspective, modern Americans have no excuse for not having insurance and retirement simply because up we haven't had the asset dissolving activities that everyone else throughout time and space had to endure. Specifically, we have had K-12 education guaranteed to all. We haven't had wars that turned our industry and homes into rubble. We have had the most stable economic environment since Ancient Rome, which has provided to all the most leisure time per capita known to mankind. In other words, because of our Christian Heritage, the united States has been blessed more than any other nation. And yet here you are bitching about some hypothetical group that despite all of the Divine blessings and every advantage somehow can't star on Robin Leech's program without first pillaging someone else.

We can transform S.S. from a Ponzi scheme into a funded, actuarially-sound and fair system, as well as introduce a degree of choice and privatization.

Guaranteed pensions are a plot from the Pit of Hell. Reorganizing it doesn't cleanse the smell of smoke and sulphur from it.

We are told in Scriptures that the poor will always be among us, that if one doesn't work he shouldn't eat, and not providing for one's own and family is worse than being an infidel. God also says that He is not mocked, "Whatever a man sows, that is what he shall reap". Yet, you are open to people sowing cell-phones, lottery tickets, liquor/drugs, bling, fashion, cars, big homes, sloth, serial broken families and then praying for a crop failure.

Whatever happened to all of those Proverbs? What about Aesop's fables - the whole "Ant and the Grasshopper" thing? For whatever reason, it seems that sin, recklessness and irresponsibility should always be rewarded. The Marxists and Progressives simply add "at the expense of the Productive and Responsible". People like you simply don't add that necessary ingredient the Progressives realize is true.

Don't pretend that wishing universal health and retirement is noble. It requires breaking at least two commandments of God "Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's goods" and "Thou shall not steal". Pretending that it doesn't have to happen that way adds "Thou shall not bear false witness."

50 posted on 11/11/2010 5:54:10 AM PST by The Theophilus
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To: LibertarianInExile; Peanut Gallery

This was from before the election right? He’s been safely re-elected and has already put away the conservative stripes for another 4 years.


51 posted on 11/11/2010 5:58:18 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Conservative States of America has a nice ring to it.)
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To: LibertarianInExile
what has Perry ever done to cut Texas budgets and reduce state government?

If he actually tried to use the office of the Governor to do those things, he would be acting outside the Texas Constitution. Texans have deliberately made the role of Governor a weak one.

Perry's greatest power is probably in making six year appointments that still need 2/3rds majority approval. He has line-item-veto (though no governor really uses it), can call out the National Guard, order a convening of the Legislature, and can stay an execution. Beyond that, his influence can only be measured in the quality of his speeches.

The real power is in the Lt Governor's office. He sets the Legislative agenda.

52 posted on 11/11/2010 6:02:01 AM PST by The Theophilus
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To: LibertarianInExile

Does Karl Rove like Perry?


53 posted on 11/11/2010 6:05:10 AM PST by dforest
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To: Professional Engineer

No, this was after the election. He has begun his campaign, but he isn’t going to run.


54 posted on 11/11/2010 6:06:58 AM PST by dforest
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Perry will be the 2012 Republican nominee, and will destroy Obama.

Provided that there is a Constitutional Republic still observed here, what makes you think that after "W" anyone will ever vote a Texas Governor into the presidency again?

OTOH, 2012 is so close, the Tea Party doesn't have enough time to weed out the Establishment types from the GOP. Looks like another compromise ahead. The difficult part is that 2016 we might have a better candidate, but we need to get rid of President Soros NOW, not six years from now.

55 posted on 11/11/2010 6:07:03 AM PST by The Theophilus
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To: isthisnickcool
Being a professional politician is all he knows.

Absent having any political party of character, this is exactly what the Presidency has devolved to. Because of the massive involvement of government in every aspect of life, the Executive branch is more about good presentation and quality of staff. If Perry is the "Dumbass" as you wish to believe, then pray that his best friend to appoint as Chief of Staff is like the Bible's Joseph of Egypt, Moses or Solomon - because that is where the REAL power is and there the world needs a benevolent dictator.

56 posted on 11/11/2010 6:20:23 AM PST by The Theophilus
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To: The Theophilus
H W Bush was born in Massachusetts

W was born in Connecticut

W and his father were yankees, moving to Texas doesn't make you a Texan.

There is a reason that W and his father were RINO’s in many ways, it's because they were both transplanted yankees pretending to be something they weren't.

57 posted on 11/11/2010 6:41:23 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Oh, and that ranch in Crawford Bush spent so much time at during his presidency (it's only about 10 minutes away).

Bush bought that just months before the 2000 election, and as soon as he was no longer president he moved to Dallas. The only thing that surprised me is that he even bothered to stay in Texas.

It was all a dog and pony show to fool people (like Kerry riding a sailboard)

58 posted on 11/11/2010 6:47:28 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Carry_Okie
GWB is more intelligent than you will ever be...and probably a lot nicer... more so than Perry.

Bush acted on the intelligence he was GIVEN which was often faulty. He did a lot that I didn't "like" but I never doubted his intentions or his intelligence.

You sit at a computer judging the world and DOING what?

59 posted on 11/11/2010 6:48:45 AM PST by lonestar
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To: lonestar
GWB is more intelligent than you will ever be...and probably a lot nicer... more so than Perry.

I'd put money on the former. As to "nicer," yeah, he was awfully nice with other people's money taken by force. It's why that spoiled child and his self-aggrandizing noblesse oblige allowed the left roll him over and over.

You sit at a computer judging the world and DOING what?

  1. Patented the first free-market environmental management system.
  2. Created the first truly 100% native plant habitat restoration site on the entire West Coast.
  3. Documented in over 1000 photographs the damage environmentalists are doing to the environment for the fun and profit of their "charitable" corporate foundation sponsors.
  4. Wrote one book on environmental policy and another on a discovery of the original Biblical system of libertarian government.
  5. Gave up a successful engineering career to spend 13 years pursuing the above at a personal cost of over $1.25 million.
Straightened out idiots who can't simply look up a FReeper page and check out the links before posting.
60 posted on 11/11/2010 7:07:38 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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