The second step: Redistribution of all funds currently parked in billionaire stock portfolios and charitable organizations!
Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.
Posted on 11/10/2010 12:15:35 PM PST by Sub-Driver
Hmmm...at what point does one's personal fortune qualify as obscene?
A Capitalist believes in fair taxes, especially if the money is spent to defend his property and keep the social order. Gates’ argument is that we need to provide more services to the laboring classes or they 1.) won’t be healthy enough to work or 2.)trained enough to work well.
As far as his belief that the climate is changing and the mean temperature of the Earth is rising - well, that doesn’t make him a Marxist, either. Capitalists all over the world believe that - it isn’t a “Marxist” idea.The facts are that the Earth’s mean temperature *is* rising, and that we are getting more extreme weather conditions of all types, as well as environmental changes.
A person can believe these true facts without being a Leftist. A person can also say that we should do something to either adapt to it, or change it, without claiming that we know the cause of it.
Do you believe that the Earth’s mean temperature is, or is not, rising?
GE’s last transmission at FR was June 08, 2010
When they start funding leftist organizations.
Is George Soros a capitalist or Marxist?
Is man increasing and decreasing the temperature of the planet?
Will using one square of toilet paper to wipe thy @$$ really change climate temperatures?
You apparently haven't been following the carbon credit scam to redistibute the global wealth from Western productive nations to the "exploited" and "non-carbon" (har har) third world nations.
It's marxism. The Green movement is the refuge the the Reds.
I’ve been following the carbon credit plan. That is NOT what we are talking about here. Please stick to the topic at hand, not tangential threads.
Do you, or do you not believe that the mean temperature of Earh’s atmosphere has been rising? It’s a simple question. We can discuss the various proposals for dealing with the rise -if response is needed - once the basuc issue is settled.
So:
Do you, or do you not believe that the mean temperature of Earh’s atmosphere has been rising?
Didn’t seem to bother him when he was selling an operating system that he didn’t own to IBM. Maybe he could assuage his guilt by giving the guy who developed MSDOS a billion dollars or so, instead of the $50,000 he paid him for the idea that made Bill the richest man on the planet.
Man made global warming is a myth. They claimed for 25 years that it was cooling because man’s industrialization was killing the planet and now they claim that it is warming at an alarming rate because of man’s industrialization.
They cooked the books and enforced a scientific blacklist on the skeptics.
it is a fraud.
It is a socialist redistribution scheme to punish the west.
The earth’s temperature has gone through intensly dramatic heating and cooling cycles LONG before man walked the earth.
Even now scientists are looking at what we can do to protect ourselves from “solar storms”. There is a giant nuclear fireball in the sky that we call our sun. IT is the source of the temperature changes we experience and punishing ourselves with low flow toilets and crappy electric cars won’t change ONE damn thing.
And back to the point of rich people being socialists. They may be “hypocrites” but that was Orwell’s point in Animal Farm which was a condemnation of Stalinism (in the West as well as in Mother Russia).
Once again, please answer the question at hand. Is the Earth’s temperature rising or not?
I’m not asking about whether you believe that it’s the result of man’s activity. Whether you believe the Sun is causing the temperature to rise, or whether you believe it’s the result of changes to the atmosphere is not the question. I don’t even care about your opinion regarding whether some of the solutions people discuss are mythical or not.
The question is whether you believe the Earth’s temperature is rising. Yes or no?
Man’s activity IS the key issue. Man is not the cause and man cannot correct it.
it is widescale theft.
So you still haven’t answered the question - unless it’s to tacitly agree. “Man is not the cause and man cannot correct it” is a staement that shows you do believe that Earth’s climate is changing.
Olay, so the Earth’s temperature is climbing. You believe that Man’ activities have nothing to do with it and can do nothing to stop it.
However, do you think we can predict what the effects of rising temperatures will be?
We are already seeing some of those effects - more extreme weather events, for instance. Changing ocean currents, changing air circulation patterns, and rising sea levels. Arctic ice shrinking, greater iceberg calving in the Northern and Southern polar regions. Greater desertification in arid regions. Crop failures, food shortages, and invasion of species moving from Southern to Northern realms. (The northward spread of malarial mosquitoes into the continental US is a good example.)
Man cannot effect it, perhaps, but he CAN plan to deal with its effects. It would irresponsible of us not to.
It is neither a Right or Left issue to face that the Earth is warming and that it will change lifestyles *dramatically* by our grandchildrens’ adulthood. What do you think Americans should do to deal with the effect of the Earth’s rising temperature?
Absolutely not because there is a corruption of the academic studies in this matter. 40 years ago they insisted we were headed for an ice age. Now they predict rapid warming instead. Can't have it both ways.
Criswell had a better track record at prophecy.
Take your global warming scare and sell it to other socialists.
You put your trust in crooks.
If you are so pro-environment, you should be FOR Gulf drilling. Oil will naturally seep out of the ocean floor if it is not pumped out. Regardless if no wells had ever been drilled.
When we remove that oil, we are taking a substance that is NOT beneficial to the environment and refining and consuming it.
Electric cars and corn based fuels still require energy and create food shortages. Short sighted solution in the name of junk science and religious fervor for a doomsday scenario that IS NOT HAPPENING.
The second step: Redistribution of all funds currently parked in billionaire stock portfolios and charitable organizations!
If it truly is the case that all the evidence across the globe has been fudged and that every academic is in on a huge conspiracy to promote socialism, and that we can’t actually know anything about the environment or make any responsible predictions at all, then we all just sit back.
The big problem with that approach is that the entire rest of the industrialized world does not agree with that view. The G20 meeting, which just ended, shows that all the other industrialized nations think that the US is simply stubbornly wrong about this. The rest of the world is going to move forward on this issue without us. The other industrialized nations actually *believe* in science and empirical data.
I could give you links but would you bother? Everything that anybody has written or demonstrated about it you have already decided to ignore. That’s the sign of a closed mind.
It’s not a “scare;” I’m not a socialist. I’m asking what do we do if it turns out the Earth’s temperature is rising? I believe in *planning* for a worst-case scenario. Your answer seems to be to ignore it.
All I can respond is don’t buy investment property in Florida if you expect to hold it more than 20 years.
You are a useful idiot falling for a redistribution scam designed to punish the West for its success by trafficking in carbon credit to the eversowonderful third world dictatorships.
Buhbye. We will have to agree to disagree. Plenty of other more relevant threads you can hop on to debate the science of the man made global warming cult. Too bad that the scientists of medieval times didn’t work harder to control temperature changes through their own warming period. Or maybe it’s for the best they didn’t.
Where did I *ever* say that global warming is man-made? I’ve said nothing about supporting any carbon-credit redistribution plan. You’re debating a straw man.
But maybe you didn’t read any of my arguments at all, and just kept repeating the same points you’ve picked up from some other source. You’re right - we will have to agree to disagree.
If we aren’t causing it, then there is little we are going to be able to do to stop it (that would put faith in the idea that we COULD significantly alter future temperatures even if we wanted to).
Those global concensus scientists you mentioned state as fact that man is the one behind the rise in temperatures. It’s all because of “industrialization”. That is when the temperatures supposedly begin to spike. Except up until 25 years ago when they said they were dropping like a rock rather than climbing.
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