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Qantas 'scarebus' QF32 was a flying wreck
Herald Sun ^ | 12th November 2010

Posted on 11/11/2010 2:00:06 PM PST by naturalman1975

A QANTAS superjumbo was a flying wreck after an engine exploded shooting chunks of metal through fuel tanks and flight control systems.

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When it touched down the fuel systems were failing, the forward spar supporting the left wing had been holed and one of the jet's two hydraulic systems was knocked out and totally drained of fluid.

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"There was a wealth of experience in the cockpit, even the lowest ranked officer on board had thousands of hours of experience in his former role as a military flying instructor," said Capt Woodward, himself an A380 pilot on leave from Qantas.

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Investigators found shrapnel damage to the flaps, a huge hole in the upper surface of the left wing and a generator that was not working.

The crew could not shutdown the No. 1 engine using the fire switch.

As a result the engine's fire extinguishers could not be deployed.

Captain Richard de Crespigny, first officer Matt Hicks and Mark Johnson, the second officer, could not jettison the volume of fuel required for a safe emergency landing.

With more than 80 tonnes of highly volatile jet kerosene still in the 11 tanks -- two of which were leaking - they made an overweight and high speed approach to Changi Airport.

Without full hydraulics the spoilers - the hinged flaps on the front of the wings - could not be fully deployed to slow the jet.

The crew also had to rely on gravity for the undercarriage to drop and lock into place.

On landing they had no anti-skid brakes and could rely on only one engine for reverse thrust - needing all of the 4km runway at Changi to bring the jet to a stop.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...


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1 posted on 11/11/2010 2:00:09 PM PST by naturalman1975
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To: naturalman1975

Yikes!


2 posted on 11/11/2010 2:01:36 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 660 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: naturalman1975

Or maybe Crikey!


3 posted on 11/11/2010 2:03:09 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 660 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: naturalman1975

You know these “Scarebus’s” must be a top priority of Al Queda. When one of these babies goes down....it’s gonna be ugly.


4 posted on 11/11/2010 2:03:49 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: naturalman1975

we take the pilots for granted when we fly. but you notice that when the #$@% hits the fanjet, they seem to step up big time?


5 posted on 11/11/2010 2:03:50 PM PST by beebuster2000
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To: naturalman1975

You’ll never see me in one of those things!


6 posted on 11/11/2010 2:04:26 PM PST by yobid (CO2 is plant food!)
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To: naturalman1975

Considering what these beasts cost, and the fact that Rolls Royce is looking at possible liability... things could get really interesting.

It appears that the engine practically grenaded - I would say the passengers should be thanking GOD Almighty for sparing their lives and limbs! WOW!!!

It is comforting, though, to see that the redundant systems showed their value -and this bird (albatross?) stayed in the air and got the passengers safely down.

I am fairly sure there are going to be heads rolling over this - maybe on many levels - as they should.


7 posted on 11/11/2010 2:05:42 PM PST by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: naturalman1975

I would not be surprised to learn that those pilots left several pounds of used food on their seats....


8 posted on 11/11/2010 2:06:24 PM PST by r9etb
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To: naturalman1975
On landing they had no anti-skid brakes and could rely on only one engine for reverse thrust - needing all of the 4km runway at Changi to bring the jet to a stop.

There's probably only a few airports in the world where an A380 in that condition could land.

9 posted on 11/11/2010 2:06:47 PM PST by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average.)
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To: null and void
Wow great job, touch down speed had to be over 150 knots.
10 posted on 11/11/2010 2:06:47 PM PST by boomop1
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To: naturalman1975

I would fly Quantas any day of the week.


11 posted on 11/11/2010 2:06:55 PM PST by steveo (2010 never again)
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To: naturalman1975

Good reason for flying Boeing - built in America!


12 posted on 11/11/2010 2:07:26 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: TheBattman

By their own testing standards, a catastrophic failure like this is practically impossible. When they test, the place explosives on fan blades, spin them up to 100% and then blast them free from the shaft. That’s how they test the integrity of the engine and the nacelle.

Crazy.


13 posted on 11/11/2010 2:07:58 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: naturalman1975

That sounds terrible! Good thing there were flight officers of long experience aboard and the engineering on the rest of the craft gave it the ruggedness necessary to make the safe landing!


14 posted on 11/11/2010 2:08:21 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: naturalman1975

WOW! What an epic egineering fail. Don’t like scarebus. Never did. Never will.


15 posted on 11/11/2010 2:08:49 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (Palin Haley O'Donnell - mmm mmmm mmmmmmmmm)
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To: naturalman1975
WHAT WENT WRONG ON QF32

1 Massive fuel leak in the left mid fuel tank (there are 11 tanks, including in the horizontal stabiliser on the tail)

2 Massive fuel leak in the left inner fuel tank

3 A hole on the flap fairing big enough to climb through

4 The aft gallery in the fuel system failed, preventing many fuel transfer functions

5 Problem jettisoning fuel

6 Massive hole in the upper wing surface

7 Partial failure of leading edge slats

8 Partial failure of speed brakes/ground spoilers

9 Shrapnel damage to the flaps

10 Total loss of all hydraulic fluid in one of the jet's two systems

11 Manual extension of landing gear

12 Loss of one generator and associated systems

13 Loss of brake anti-skid system 14 No.1 engine could not be shut down in the usual way after landing because of major damage to systems

15 No.1 engine could not be shut down using the fire switch, which meant fire extinguishers would not work on that engine

16 ECAM (electronic centralised aircraft monitor) warnings about the major fuel imbalance (because of fuel leaks on left side) could not be fixed with cross-feeding

17 Fuel was trapped in the trim tank (in the tail)creating a balance problem for landing

18 Left wing forward spar penetrated by debris

The best safety device in any aircraft, is a well trained pilot...

16 posted on 11/11/2010 2:10:07 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: beebuster2000

And the pilots that get planes in that bad of shape down safely always seem to be the ones the system forces out due to age, regardless of physical or mental condition.


17 posted on 11/11/2010 2:10:56 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

at least the lavatory was still working. and good thing they had their cell phones turned off, you know how that can mess up a flight


18 posted on 11/11/2010 2:12:39 PM PST by beebuster2000
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To: SJSAMPLE
By their own testing standards, a catastrophic failure like this is practically impossible. When they test, the place explosives on fan blades, spin them up to 100% and then blast them free from the shaft. That’s how they test the integrity of the engine and the nacelle.

Shouldn't shrapnel be 100% contained according to today's standards?

19 posted on 11/11/2010 2:15:30 PM PST by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Pilot?

I thought that was supposed to be completely USELESS in these computer managed aircraft!

Hahahaha!

Engineers have been saying that for YEARS! The only thing that modern aircraft needed in the cockpit was a dog, . . . to bite the pilot if he TOUCHED anything!


20 posted on 11/11/2010 2:16:49 PM PST by Mr. Jazzy (God bless the United States of America and protect her from the enemies of freedom.)
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To: beebuster2000

Mistaken missile theory is much more plausible if this was the aircraft mistaken for a missile off of the SoCA coast.


21 posted on 11/11/2010 2:17:00 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: naturalman1975

The only two safe modes of transportation today.Boeing and greyhound.


22 posted on 11/11/2010 2:17:02 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Moonman62

Yes.
The engine might explode, but it shouldn’t transfer damage to the wing.


23 posted on 11/11/2010 2:17:53 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
The best safety device in any aircraft, is a well trained pilot... ?

So why are so many accidents due to "pilot error"? Is that just a way to whitewash away from the real cause of the problem?

24 posted on 11/11/2010 2:18:33 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: naturalman1975
"Without full hydraulics the spoilers - the hinged flaps on the front of the wings - could not be fully deployed to slow the jet."

Those hinged flaps on the front of the wings are called "slats", not flaps and are activated aerodynamically, hydraulically, or mechanically. Spoilers come out of the top of the wing and look like small square posts to kill lift .... slats do not slow the jet, they help create a larger wing surface area (and work in conjunction with flaps) so the plane can fly slower when landing.

25 posted on 11/11/2010 2:22:07 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Don't Read The News You're Uninformed, If You Do Read The News You're Misinformed")
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To: naturalman1975

If it ain’t Boeing...I ain’t going!


26 posted on 11/11/2010 2:23:33 PM PST by Bobalu ( "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother." ..Moshe Dayan:)
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To: Fractal Trader
So why are so many accidents due to "pilot error"? Is that just a way to whitewash away from the real cause of the problem?

I guess cause the explanation of "swamp gas" would be a bit over the top...

27 posted on 11/11/2010 2:27:47 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: naturalman1975
"Without full hydraulics the spoilers - the hinged flaps on the front of the wings - could not be fully deployed to slow the jet."

Image Source,Photobucket Uploader Firefox Extension

28 posted on 11/11/2010 2:28:09 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Don't Read The News You're Uninformed, If You Do Read The News You're Misinformed")
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
The best safety device in any aircraft, is a well trained pilot...

BUMP!
29 posted on 11/11/2010 2:32:07 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Boeing - built in America!

With Chinese parts!

30 posted on 11/11/2010 2:34:44 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: SkyDancer

Hey, these are the same reporters who refer to any semi-auto rifle as an “assault rifle.”


31 posted on 11/11/2010 2:35:47 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Boeing will be much better when they move all production to SC and other right to work states.


32 posted on 11/11/2010 2:42:40 PM PST by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
I also think that the fairly close proximity of a runway that can handle a 380 helped some. Could they have made it safely back if the plane was further along it's projected trip no matter how good the pilots are?
33 posted on 11/11/2010 2:43:26 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Frantzie
Unfortunately subcontracted parts will still come from China, more and more every year.
34 posted on 11/11/2010 2:44:51 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Army Air Corps
Sort of like these?

Photobucket

35 posted on 11/11/2010 2:48:28 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Don't Read The News You're Uninformed, If You Do Read The News You're Misinformed")
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To: naturalman1975

Wasn’t that engine failure due to something penetrating it from the outside?


36 posted on 11/11/2010 2:50:04 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Well, you can hope to contain the debris, but as it exits out the back end of the motor, it’s going to go where physics sends it. The more debris you have traveling down the gaspath, the better the odds are that you’re going to rupture your case, and send debris out into the open. We had belly bands on the turbine sections of some of our motors, but that was more of a “feel good” kind of thing, than an actual means of protection.


37 posted on 11/11/2010 2:53:26 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob (A1C 6.3)
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To: Frantzie

You betcha


38 posted on 11/11/2010 2:54:02 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: naturalman1975
After this, does anyone really think we should go the road to airliners flown remotely?
Not me.
39 posted on 11/11/2010 2:55:23 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Vote like Obama is on the ballot)
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To: Last Dakotan

And with possible ROP assemblers.


40 posted on 11/11/2010 3:26:49 PM PST by 353FMG (In the end, it will be either ISLAM or America -- it cannot be both.)
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To: SJSAMPLE

“The engine might explode, but it shouldn’t transfer damage to the wing.”

I’m an A&P (not working at it anymore) and I’ve seen many videos of testing (shooting frozen Geese through the engines etc.) and I don’t recall seeing anything quite like that. Rolls Royce is an excellent engine manufacturer so I’m left wondering what happened. I wonder where the engine was built.


41 posted on 11/11/2010 3:31:57 PM PST by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: IncPen

ping


42 posted on 11/11/2010 3:35:01 PM PST by Nailbiter
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To: Fractal Trader

“pilot error”

Covers all situations that cannot be explained


43 posted on 11/11/2010 3:43:13 PM PST by Nailbiter
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To: SkyDancer
The spoilers are on top...


44 posted on 11/11/2010 4:23:24 PM PST by JRios1968 (What is the difference between 0bama and his dog, Bo? Bo has papers.)
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To: JRios1968

There are all sorts of spoilers (some times called a lift dumper), some like you show, others come out along the top of the wing to kill lift ....


45 posted on 11/11/2010 4:33:35 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Don't Read The News You're Uninformed, If You Do Read The News You're Misinformed")
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To: SkyDancer

I knew you knew it...meant it as edumacation for others who didn’t! Hope spring in the Outback is treating you well!


46 posted on 11/11/2010 5:11:12 PM PST by JRios1968 (What is the difference between 0bama and his dog, Bo? Bo has papers.)
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To: JRios1968

Thought as much ... no wurries Mate ...Spring is almost now into summer here ... temps rising ... hi/lo 80/65F ...


47 posted on 11/11/2010 5:22:29 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Don't Read The News You're Uninformed, If You Do Read The News You're Misinformed")
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To: JRios1968

ps ... those news sharpies also prob’ly don’t know there’s two types of spoilers, flight and ground ...... and also those front slats are called Krueger flaps ... here’s a great place for those here who’d like to learn more. http://www.b737.org.uk/flightcontrols.htm#Spoilers_/_Speedbrakes


48 posted on 11/11/2010 5:30:01 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Don't Read The News You're Uninformed, If You Do Read The News You're Misinformed")
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To: The Sons of Liberty

>>> Good reason for flying Boeing - built in America!

There apparently was no fault with the airplane. It was the motor. And many Boeings are equipped with Rolls-Royce engines.

“Rolls has a 40 percent market share on the Boeing 787”


49 posted on 11/11/2010 7:19:07 PM PST by tlb
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To: tlb

Correct, and maintenance is key. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I might suspect sabotage from a member of a maintenance crew that was also a follower of the “religion of peace” cult.


50 posted on 11/12/2010 6:22:11 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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