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'Naked' airport scanners may be 'dangerous' (statistically someone will get skin cancer from X-rays)
AFP on Yahoo ^ | 11/12/10 | Karin Zeitvogel

Posted on 11/12/2010 6:25:19 PM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Some US scientists warned the full-body, graphic-image X-ray scanners now being used to screen passengers and airline crews at airports around the country may be unsafe.

"They say the risk is minimal, but statistically someone is going to get skin cancer from these X-rays," Dr Michael Love, who runs an X-ray lab at the department of biophysics and biophysical chemistry at Johns Hopkins University school of medicine, told AFP.

"No exposure to X-ray is considered beneficial. We know X-rays are hazardous but we have a situation at the airports where people are so eager to fly that they will risk their lives in this manner," he said.

The possible health dangers posed by the scanners add to passengers' and airline crews' concerns about the devices, which have been dubbed "naked" scanners because of the graphic image they give of a person's body, genitalia and all.

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) began rolling out full-body scanners at US airports in 2007, but stepped up deployment of the devices this year when stimulus funding made it possible to buy another 450 of the advanced imaging technology scanners.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: airport; dangerous; naked; scanners; skincancer; tsa; tsapervs; xrays

1 posted on 11/12/2010 6:25:21 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Porno Scanners.


2 posted on 11/12/2010 6:29:31 PM PST by omega4179 (Quem deus vult perdere, dementat prius)
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It’s either that or ya go in the FRisk’n’Grope line, the newest enhanced T&A family adventure from Janet Incompetento


3 posted on 11/12/2010 6:31:32 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Do the scanners fall under regulation by the FDA? OSHA?

Do they have the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval?

UL?

4 posted on 11/12/2010 6:34:45 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: NormsRevenge

I was told by TSA that the exposure to X-Rays in the scanner is equivalent to flying at 30,000 ft for two minutes.

Be interesting to know if the is a stock TSA answer or bears any relation to the truth. Flying Freepers, what have you heard??

Since it doesn’t show bones, which X-rays do, it appears to be much weaker signal than real X-rays.


5 posted on 11/12/2010 6:35:34 PM PST by HardStarboard (I'm sure George and Dick had quiet smiles while watching the election results!)
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To: NormsRevenge

What with the “naked scanners” and the genital pat-downs, do you think we’ve reached the tipping point?

There’s no limit to the belated, bone-headed ideas TSA will come up with to inconvenience us. I can’t imagine what they’ll do after the “rectal bomber” or “vaginal bomber” makes headlines...

Maybe some MIT business or economics prof and his grad students will take a stab at estimating what all these airport shenannigans are costing the U.S.A. in lost overseas business and tourism. There is a limit to what people will put up with.


6 posted on 11/12/2010 6:36:12 PM PST by sinanju
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To: NormsRevenge
we have a situation at the airports where people are so eager to fly that they will risk their lives in this manner

Eager to fly? Yeah, that's what it is.

I have to go to Japan after the first of the year to administer a proficiency inspection. Yes, it's work-related. I'm not so much "eager" to fly, it's just that driving to Japan isn't really an option.

7 posted on 11/12/2010 6:38:25 PM PST by Drew68
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To: NormsRevenge

The government doesn’t publish the skin dose per scan. Imagine that.


8 posted on 11/12/2010 6:42:28 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: NormsRevenge
“statistically someone is going to get skin cancer from these X-rays”

Yes, but by treating EVERYONE as potential terrorists, we are improving the self esteem of Muslims in this great land. What's a few cancerous lesions growing all over your chest compared to advancing peace and respect for societal differences?

9 posted on 11/12/2010 6:45:48 PM PST by garjog
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To: NormsRevenge

The irony in all of this is that years ago, a US emergency room doctor was in South Africa, where they use a lie-down, full body X-ray machine to search for smuggled diamonds. He realized that a version of this device would save countless lives in a trauma center, being able to detect any number of hidden but critical problems quickly.

But it was not meant to be. For whatever reasons, it was decided to be impractical, or something.


10 posted on 11/12/2010 6:48:24 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: NormsRevenge

11 posted on 11/12/2010 6:50:36 PM PST by garjog
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To: NormsRevenge

12 posted on 11/12/2010 6:51:22 PM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

If they are going to inconvenience us this way, the least they could do is provide a memory stick with your scan to bring to your next dental appointment or radiologist. Could suffice instead of your next cat scan or MRI. They should give passengers the option to drink dye prior to the scan for enhancement.


13 posted on 11/12/2010 6:51:45 PM PST by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: Drew68

Google Maps says that you can jet ski across. s/


14 posted on 11/12/2010 6:52:34 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: NormsRevenge

I remember many years back when we tried on shoes. We could place our feet in a box and it x-rayed right through the shoes to show how your foot fit in it. Those were taken away because they said to dangerous from radiation.


15 posted on 11/12/2010 6:59:57 PM PST by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: NormsRevenge

When I have a dental X-Ray, the technician puts a heavy lead apron over my entire body, and then scuttles into another room behind a lead wall to hit the button. This should tell you something.


16 posted on 11/12/2010 7:06:14 PM PST by CanaGuy (Go Harper! We still love you!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Like most things that have potential negative side effects, there is no way to predict how these scans might affect frequent flyers who could easily be subjected to a hundred or more scans per year (if these things are in all major airports).


17 posted on 11/12/2010 7:27:25 PM PST by Will88
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To: NormsRevenge

Lots of incorrect or distorted information flying about over this issue. I recommend that folks do some research before they start commenting. Here’s a place to start:

http://www.suite101.com/content/physics-and-airport-security-how-a-tsa-full-body-scan-works-a235650

My only personal interest in this dust-up is that I fly frequently and since a knee replacement 4 years ago, I have been required to undergo a pat down every time I go to the airport. I much prefer the millimeter wave radar (MMW) body scans to the pat down and will opt for the scanner every time.

I’m no technical expert on these devices, but I did direct testing of several devices for use by the military in Iraq and Afghanistan. I have observed hundreds of MMW scans in a U.S. courthouse. If sexual arousal is your goal, don’t get a job as a scanner observer, it just isn’t what you’ve been led to believe. You’d be better off getting a job bagging groceries at your local supermarket. You’ll see more there.

Millimeter wave radar is a wave length just longer than infrared. Its been deemed safe except for a theoretical study using mathematical models that suggests that there MIGHT be a problem. No other study comes close to suggesting such a thing. Backscatter radar is the other technology used by TSA and it uses the same X-Rays that we get at the doctor and dentist, except that the dosage is orders of magnitude less than you get at the doctors office. Its so low that it won’t penetrate skin. You will receive more X-Rays on your flight than you will get from a backscatter scan.

If you don’t like the scan, go for the pat down. You’ll probably be in their with all of the CAIR members insisting that they shouldn’t be given a pat down because it offends their Muslim sensibilities.


18 posted on 11/12/2010 7:44:28 PM PST by centurion316
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To: Will88

Personally, my religious belief does not allow a person of the same sex to put their hands on my body. Who in the TSA can dispute my religion?

Anyone want to join?


19 posted on 11/12/2010 7:48:14 PM PST by Tucson Jim
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To: omega4179

Forget cancer, its a strip search. So its humiliating and dangerous. Everyone just needs to refuse to walk through the scanners and they will go away.


20 posted on 11/12/2010 7:53:35 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2
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To: centurion316
I recommend that folks do some research before they start commenting. Here’s a place to start:

I think the people commenting read the article that is the subject of the thread. The second, third and fourth paragraphs of the article are very much at odds with what you have posted.

And the full article at the link mentions even more possible hazards.

21 posted on 11/12/2010 8:10:34 PM PST by Will88
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To: centurion316
I’m no technical expert on these devices

Clearly.
22 posted on 11/12/2010 8:12:42 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: Will88

Well I certainly read the article, and don’t consider it very useful. The Agencie France Presse (AFP) doesn’t have a very good reputation for good reason. In this case, they are quoting folks with an axe to grind who are making claims, not stating fact. Stirring the pot. Find some other sources, pro and con and make up your own mind, this article isn’t worth the bandwidth that its occupying.

I am well aware of the Pilot’s Union objections and I don’t think that they have produced any valid scientific evidence to back them up. If any medical concern were to be confirmed, I would think that it would point to the backscatter X-Ray technology. I think that its inferior to the millimeter wave scanner for other reasons as well, so I would dump backscatter if it were up to me.

Meanwhile, I’ll be happy to go through the scanner, thank you very much.


23 posted on 11/12/2010 8:23:41 PM PST by centurion316
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To: centurion316
Meanwhile, I’ll be happy to go through the scanner, thank you very much.

Go through it one or two hundred times per year for a few years, then get back to us. And many frequent flyers will do just that, and then some.

Not sure how you know those quoted have an ax to grind, but those pushing these machines have big ticket items to sell, and those buying them have government stimulus money to spend. This is just the sort of scenario that can result in unforeseen outcomes, especially in cases where many will be subjected to these scans hundreds of times over the years.

24 posted on 11/12/2010 8:39:13 PM PST by Will88
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To: NormsRevenge

Not very healthy for anyone who is not an exhibitionist or who is a child, either.


25 posted on 11/12/2010 8:39:38 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: sinanju

People should start filing charges and lawsuits over this. The TSA is groping adults and molesting children. Arrests need to be made..


26 posted on 11/12/2010 9:37:01 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: sinanju

People should start filing charges and lawsuits over this. The TSA is groping adults and molesting children. Arrests need to be made..


27 posted on 11/12/2010 9:37:01 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: NormsRevenge

As soon as we get control of the Senate, I say time to radically resign TSA procedures.

Drop the political theator and focus on what actaully will protect Americans.

Skip the standing-in-line-taking-off-shoes ritual designed to placate political correctness gods.

Copy what Israel does.

Screen passengers who statistically match warning signs for enhanced questioning.

Deploy more intelligence efforts to catch terror plots in the planning stages.

Benefits: save administrative costs, boost tourism, speed commerce, reduce foot order, catch more terrorists, and by moving the majority of TSA agents back into the fast food industry, we reduce the cost of tacos, pizza and Burgers for everyone.


28 posted on 11/12/2010 10:12:07 PM PST by garjog
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To: centurion316
If you don’t like the scan, go for the pat down. You’ll probably be in their with all of the CAIR members insisting that they shouldn’t be given a pat down because it offends their Muslim sensibilities.

You are apparently missing the issue. It's not about "Muslim sensibilities". It's about an over-intrusive government. TSA seems to think they can impose any type of restrictionor control measure, coerced by intimidation, that comes to mind. They justify this by claiming, "You don't have a right to fly". I, for one, am sick of a bunch of bureaucratic busybodies trying to determine which "rights" I am allowed to enjoy.

29 posted on 11/13/2010 4:30:31 AM PST by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Sarajevo
You are apparently missing the issue.

No, I'm not missing that issue, its just another issue. Magnetometers are pretty useless, they just provide an illusion of security as has been demonstrated by several failed bombing attempts that passed the magnetometer.

So, the question is do we tolerate these scanners, or do we just revert to random searches based on profiling? I'm all in favor of strip searching everyone who fits the profile of every hijacker/bomber of the last forty years.

Unfortunately, the politicians don't think that's a good idea and the enemy would certainly select bombers who don't fit the profile. Or, we could just forget all of it until the next airplane blows up. Then what?

30 posted on 11/13/2010 5:23:43 AM PST by centurion316
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To: NormsRevenge

One problem. These scanners don’t use x-rays.

They use FAR-INFRARED radiation.


31 posted on 11/13/2010 6:46:41 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: sinanju

Funny you should mention “vaginal bomber.” Actually, funny is not the proper word.

About four years ago, a number of British Airways flights from London to Los Angeles were cancelled during the last days of December, right around New Years Eve.

Eventually, it was reported that “intelligence sources” claimed that one or more female terrorists were planning to place explosives in their vaginas and their plan was to crash the jetliner onto the Las Vegas Strip!

How the terrorists planned to seize control of the plane and fly in into Las Vegas Boulevard, I have no idea. A bizarre plot, if it was real.


32 posted on 11/13/2010 10:13:23 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (2010 was the start of the house cleaning......on to 2012 for further victories!)
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To: centurion316

Whatever happened to those “puffer” machines? They were supposed to detect traces of explosives on passengers and their clothing, and were not intrusive.


33 posted on 11/13/2010 10:16:17 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (2010 was the start of the house cleaning......on to 2012 for further victories!)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

They are still out there, whenever I go through Reagan, I see one in the corner at Terminal A. Someone told me that they were maintenance nightmares. They won’t detect PETN, however.


34 posted on 11/13/2010 10:50:06 AM PST by centurion316
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To: centurion316

provide an illusion of security

in the end, that’s all it is..


35 posted on 11/13/2010 11:38:14 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: centurion316
I'm all in favor of strip searching everyone who fits the profile of every hijacker/bomber of the last forty years.

With attitudes like that, it's no wonder I feel safer on the streets of Baghdad or Ramadi than when I travel through US airports.

36 posted on 11/13/2010 10:58:53 PM PST by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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