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Video of Swedish Sub that Sunk The USS Ronald Reagan (For (Food For Thought on Missile Contrail)
ChicoER ^ | 5/14/10 | Chuck Wolk

Posted on 11/12/2010 8:54:09 PM PST by Korah

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Considering the recent news reports about a possible missile attack on America, I thought I would remind everyone that it is possible for the Chinese to launch one from a sub. However, for those who will be saying that there is no way a Chinese sub, or anyone else’s sub could ever get that close to our shore, much less launch a missile, I would advise you to check out this story from earlier this year. Just maybe you will think twice about how safe you think we are from an attack.

Ever since WWII, America has been a dominant force upon the high seas. We have become so advanced in our military technology that the Soviet Union eventually collapsed, in large part because Ronald Reagan would not back down against them. In honor of his accomplishments and great leadership, congress named the worlds largest aircraft carrier after him, the USS Ronald Reagan.

Thanks to Reagan, America has been able to set the standard for which other nations have wished to achieve. Well it has been 22 years since Reagan left office, and while we have been able to hold our status as the worlds most powerful military force the world has ever seen, those days could be coming to an end.Thanks in large part to the anti military sentiment that prevails in Washington America is beginning to lose the battle of technological advancement.

What you will see in this video is a report about the Swedish submarine, NemoSaltadSobrius, which cannot be detected by our navy. Even worse, this submarine has reportedly sunk our best and most powerful naval ships in mock war games. Check out this report by Chuck......

Follow the link to a video report on the,

Swedish Sub that Sunk The USS Ronald Reagan

(Excerpt) Read more at ChicoER...


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I found this and thought it might help in the discussion about a possible missile attack by China or another Country against America.
1 posted on 11/12/2010 8:54:12 PM PST by Korah
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To: Korah

Time to move inland...


2 posted on 11/12/2010 8:57:36 PM PST by rbosque (12 year Freeper!!! Combat Economist.)
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To: Korah

Oh, you’re crazy, blah blah blah. Just thought I would get in early. ;) (just kidding)


3 posted on 11/12/2010 8:58:27 PM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: brytlea

:>) Thanks.

You know they are coming.


4 posted on 11/12/2010 9:01:07 PM PST by Korah
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To: Korah

Oh yeah. :)


5 posted on 11/12/2010 9:02:45 PM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Korah

Yikes! If those Swedes ever decide to go Viking again, we are in TROUBLE!;)


6 posted on 11/12/2010 9:04:10 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Korah
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7 posted on 11/12/2010 9:09:44 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Korah
...the Swedish submarine, NemoSaltadSobrius, which cannot be detected by our navy.

And if we could, would we tell anybody? Or would we let this "undetectable" technology be sold around the world instead?

8 posted on 11/12/2010 9:10:02 PM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: Korah
It could happen...



And there is a Swedish Pirate Party
9 posted on 11/12/2010 9:10:35 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus - Domari Nolo)
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To: Korah

The author seems have been very liberal with his facts. The Swedish navy doesn’t have a sub called the NemoSaltadSobrius-the sub they sent was the HMS Gotland. Even the NBC report mentions that.

About the Chinese, for one they don’t need to get anywhere near the continental US to launch a missile attack. They have nuclear-powered subs which have tested and are probably equipped with missiles with a range in excess of 5,000+ miles.


10 posted on 11/12/2010 9:11:42 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Korah

I’m pretty sure the designs were stolen or bought a long time ago, possibly even improved upon.

Sometimes a technological advancement can be utilized in ways not in any conventional manner.

Our foreign enemies have shown that they can adapt ANY new idea to a perverted means and way of destruction.

Anything, even if it meant placing a nuke inside a live whale and using an electronic stimulus to send into the San Fransisco bay.


11 posted on 11/12/2010 9:11:53 PM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: Tainan

12 posted on 11/12/2010 9:13:48 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus - Domari Nolo)
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To: Talisker

‘Undetectable’ AIP technology similar to that used on the Gotlands has been sold for more than a decade. Pakistan procured a French made system for its submarines while at least 4 countries have purchased German-built fuel cell powered subs. The Swedish Stirling closed cycle diesel technology used on the Gotland has also been purchased by Japan for its subs.


13 posted on 11/12/2010 9:15:01 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
About the Chinese, for one they don’t need to get anywhere near the continental US to launch a missile attack.

Yes true, but if they wanted us to be clueless about who did it. Why not use a sub that they know our military cannot find as a test run.

Not only can we not find it, but if the Chinese have this type of a sub, then how can we prover it was them.
14 posted on 11/12/2010 9:16:42 PM PST by Korah
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To: Korah
I was told tonight, that the US military watches every cubic inch of our territorial waters, 24/7/365, and that they can image something as small as a sardine with ease. Point being, that there's no way that something as big as a sub could ever get by our sensors undetected.

I'm willing to admit that I don't know what I don't know, and that the poster who told me that could be entirely correct. But..... stories like this one cause me to consider that someone may have a technological edge on us in the stealth area.

That's why this story won't die. There just isn't enough solid data to debunk it. Too many uncertainties exist in the public mind, which reflects directly on our government, whose job it is to keep us safe from harm.

I think that folks see the rot in every nook and cranny of our country, and wonder to themselves if that rot hasn't infected our military and diminished its capacity so badly, that this "missile launch" actually could have happened.

Didn't we just observe the one year anniversary of the Ft Hood massacre? Haven't we seen that much of the top brass is hopelessly compromised with political correctness? Don't we have a CIC who shouldn't even be playing with toy soldiers, let alone making life and death decisions about the lives of our fighting forces?

I don't know. My confidence ain't what it used to be. I'm still not convinced that someone didn't sneak a sub off our coast and fire off a missile to warn us of something.

15 posted on 11/12/2010 9:18:31 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Korah
Sounds like we should be building these. . Hey Obama, how about more money to defend our country? What, No we can't, ugh, er, Why not? What, you want to gut the military but can't?! Don't let that get out. . .
16 posted on 11/12/2010 9:20:06 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Windflier
I don't know. My confidence ain't what it used to be. I'm still not convinced that someone didn't sneak a sub off our coast and fire off a missile to warn us of something.

And that is why I posted this article along with another one about a possible China connection.

Mystery missile launch': Chinese missile test or airline contrail?
17 posted on 11/12/2010 9:22:56 PM PST by Korah
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To: Korah

Be prepared to hand over the Lutfiske.


18 posted on 11/12/2010 9:23:27 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Also, isn’t the Swedish sub an attack sub, not a missle sub ? It may carry cruise missles, but certainly not ICBM’s.


19 posted on 11/12/2010 9:24:16 PM PST by TheCipher
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To: TheCipher
Also, isn’t the Swedish sub an attack sub, not a missle sub ? It may carry cruise missles, but certainly not ICBM’s.

You don't think it could be modified?

Hell, we probably gave them the technology to make it work. We gave them the technology to get a missile to us from the mainland of China.

Tank u Biw Quinton, need mo campaign cash?
20 posted on 11/12/2010 9:31:55 PM PST by Korah
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To: Talisker

I think that it probably uses fuel cell technology to generate electricity. As for quiet, well that has a lot to do with the shape of the hull and propeller disturbing the water as little as possible. But military secrets are the hardest to keep and one weapon is soon outmoded with a countermeasure.


21 posted on 11/12/2010 9:32:49 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Windflier
I was told tonight, that the US military watches every cubic inch of our territorial waters, 24/7/365, and that they can image something as small as a sardine with ease.

If that is true, how do those homemade drug and gun running submersibles get through. I am betting they aren't all getting caught,

22 posted on 11/12/2010 9:33:45 PM PST by GILTN1stborn
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To: Korah

Mad Halfbright revealed the agenda of the democrats when she blurted out that the sinkEmperor administration ‘didn’t want the U.S. to conitue to be the lone super power.’ The traitorous bastards sold our technology to fund their political empowerment. Firing squads would be too good for the bastards!


23 posted on 11/12/2010 9:39:46 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Korah

The US navy is most likely to monitor testing of all major naval vessels by using a combination of submarines and a host of underwater sensors. If a new Chinese sub does begin testing, the USN would almost certainly want to find out.

If this was a missile test -which it was not according to many people on here itself, what would the Chinese gain by doing it. I mean they have had ICBMs and sea-launched ballistic missiles for more than two decades now.


24 posted on 11/12/2010 9:40:42 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: GILTN1stborn
...how do those homemade drug and gun running submersibles get through. I am betting they aren't all getting caught.

Good point. There's a good chance that lots of them get through.

Perhaps those agencies of our military who do this monitoring just aren't tasked with intercepting smugglers, boat people, and drug runners. I could see how those things wouldn't be considered national security risks.

25 posted on 11/12/2010 9:42:51 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Korah

It can be modified to carry an ICBM but that will almost certainly alter its acoustic signature. Besides it’s far slower than a nuclear-powered sub and just won’t have the endurance if it had to go at more than 10 knots underwater.


26 posted on 11/12/2010 9:42:57 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Korah

If someone wanted to pay me for an idea how to smuggle in a nuclear device that would destroy a strategic target like the Navy yards in San Diego I would tell them to create a situation on a cruise ship so its dead in the water, attach several or one large nuke to its hull underwater, create a diversion and then let it be towed to its target.


27 posted on 11/12/2010 9:43:02 PM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

This is what the Swedish boats use

http://www.kockums.se/en/products-services/submarines/stirling-aip-system/stirling-aip-conversion/


28 posted on 11/12/2010 9:44:34 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Korah
the Swedes, for some reason, don't bother me as much as this”

Headline: “Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

Put this together with obummer having taken so much of our Pacific fleet to guard his butt in Indonesia - good likelihood that left a hole on our shore - perfect timing for SOMEONE to lob a shot across our bow.

this ret. sec. of defense views the video and declares it is, indeed a missile. Names the kind of missile - and from a sub. But then he obfuscates and says it's undoubtedly one of our - that we were letting Asia know we could do it.

AH, Asia and the rest of the world ‘know’ we can do it - we have been for many years. And what would firing one off 40 miles from our own shore prove?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2qKMchcgzk

the government and other elitists really think we're all a bunch of blithering idiots out here. ‘gun toting, Bible thumping....” - and what did Karl Rove say about the newly elected Tea Party folk? Something about he doubted they could read or had passports....

29 posted on 11/12/2010 9:45:41 PM PST by maine-iac7
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To: Eye of Unk

WOW, I mean WOOOOWWW!

very interesting theory. Yours, or has someone written about it and I missed the article?


30 posted on 11/12/2010 9:46:52 PM PST by Korah
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To: Korah
The source of the report is one Wayne Madsen, who once claimed Wikileaks was a CIA operation, and that Al-Qaeda was a front for the military-industrial complex.

Madsen's report of a Jin class SL ICBM launch: Bosh.

Such a missile would accelerate quickly to 18,000+ mph, leave the atmosphere, cross half the globe and re-enter the atmosphere, and strike it's target in 15 minutes...

The california contrail video was shot for 10 minutes.

Madsen is nuts.

31 posted on 11/12/2010 9:48:15 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Windflier

you post “Point being, that there’s no way that something as big as a sub could ever get by our sensors undetected.”

I wish I could still hold that comforting thought.

You might not want to read this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html


32 posted on 11/12/2010 9:50:32 PM PST by maine-iac7
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To: Korah

I worry far more about Chinese growing ability to hack our computer infrastructure, steal what and when they want, upload viruses for future deployment, electronically collapse our ability to defend ourselves and on and on and ...


33 posted on 11/12/2010 9:51:29 PM PST by DWar (The perfect is the enemy of the excellent!!)
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To: Korah

I am afraid to say this idea was never anything I have read about, and I have thousands of books, my absolute favorites are the techno thrillers of submarine warfare.

Never underestimate the deviousness or patience of your enemy, or what they will sacrifice for their objectives.


34 posted on 11/12/2010 9:53:31 PM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: maine-iac7
what did Karl Rove say about the newly elected Tea Party folk? Something about he doubted they could read or had passports....

That was chris Mathews. Rove is stupid, but not that stupid.

I do agree with a lot of what you say however. Also the thought about the fleet following Obummer to India and leaving a hole in our defense is a very possible scenario.
35 posted on 11/12/2010 9:54:08 PM PST by Korah
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To: Eye of Unk
I like your thinking. You should contact freeper OneVike with your theory. He is the author of the report on the the Swedish sub sinking the USS RR in war games.

Maybe you and he could get together for a little corroboration on putting your theory in an article that would get a lot of consideration.
36 posted on 11/12/2010 9:59:30 PM PST by Korah
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To: Windflier
I was told tonight, that the US military watches every cubic inch of our territorial waters, 24/7/365, and that they can image something as small as a sardine with ease.

You were told, to be technical, a "blantant lie."

37 posted on 11/12/2010 10:00:34 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Eye of Unk; maine-iac7

Diesel-electric subs from countries such as Norway and Australia have scored ‘kills’ on US and British ships in exercises. So it’s not inconceivable that a Chinese SSK could come close to a US carrier.


38 posted on 11/12/2010 10:00:34 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Talisker

There’s no such thing as UNdetectable, be it stealth aircraft or quiet submarines.

They’re just really, really, really hard to detect, and in the case of modern diesel subs with AIP, you have to be amamzingly close to detect them.

As has been publicly stated by the USN, in regard to these subs, “passive is dead”; you have to be so close to even have a shot to pick them up passively you’re well inside their weapons envelope.

You have to be actively pinging away.


39 posted on 11/12/2010 10:03:43 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Korah

I am sure right as we type this out someone already is sending a report, but realistically there are think tanks with people who do absolutely nothing but warfare scenarios like this every day.

I would not be surprised if there was a plan for the US to even do such a thing, matter of fact I vaguely recall there was a rumor somewhere that the Normandy was to be returned to France when Hitler demanded it, but with something in the hold that would go BIG boom when Hitler was boarding it, instead a careless welder caught a pile of kapok life jackets on fire.


40 posted on 11/12/2010 10:04:22 PM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: Korah

Long years ago I witnessed a missile launch from a sub off the coast of Cocoa Beach Florida. Most of us sitting on the beach when this thing rose out of the sea was heartstopping.

Until that missile rose up out of the sea many people didn’t realize there was a sub base right off the coast there.

Just remarking that it is possible a sub sent up that missile.


41 posted on 11/12/2010 10:17:06 PM PST by Carley (WE SAW NOVEMBER FROM OUR HOUSE)
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To: Korah

Isn’t Sweden a Muslim nation now?


42 posted on 11/12/2010 10:30:59 PM PST by garjog
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To: Windflier

“if that rot hasn’t infected our military and diminished its capacity”

9 11 caught the military by surprise.

Seems like the enemy will always be trying to test our weakness and blind spots.

They will try to hit us in ways we haven’t imagined.


43 posted on 11/12/2010 10:35:49 PM PST by garjog
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To: maine-iac7
and what did Karl Rove say about the newly elected Tea Party folk? Something about he doubted they could read or had passports..

I think it was that humble mayor of NY who said that...Mr Bloomberg. /s

44 posted on 11/12/2010 10:39:41 PM PST by Aria ( "Remember, attitudes are contagious, so make sure yours are worth catching." Sarah Palin 9-18-2010)
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To: Strategerist

+1


45 posted on 11/12/2010 10:43:21 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Eye of Unk
Wasteful and it would not need to be a large cruise ship, and you would not need to tow it. A very powerful nuc would not be all that big. You could probably do it with a small tour ship, or a relatively modest sized fishing boat (Deadliest Catch) from the Gulf of Mexico and then sail it to San Diego.

No large ship needed and it could just power itself in.
46 posted on 11/12/2010 10:52:21 PM PST by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: Korah

Australian submarines have been ‘sinking’ US warships in exercises since at least 2003, and we’re not the only ones. The USN is very, very good at what it does, but it’s not the only one - and even if you’re the best that doesn’t mean you always get 100%.

If somebody almost as good as you is having a really good day, at the same time, you’re having an ordinary one...


47 posted on 11/12/2010 10:54:40 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: JSteff

Totally reasonable thoughts, but have our enemies ever done anything reasonable?

lets assume for a moment some Moslems have a nuclear device, it won’t be very compact or efficient. Or even shielded.

Plus the absolute terror effect of vaporizing a HUGE American symbol of luxury and decadence is pure catnip to these groups.

Obviously and historically they are image bound, WTC of course comes to mind. What better way to make Americans cower in fear, to make them hide in their homes, to make them lash out and snarl against anything?

Buy destroying the things that they work for, luxury and escapism from reality or anything non Islamic.

Yes if I was an Islamic terrorist I would target a Carnival ship, or a Disney cruise ship, easier than attacking a theme park. Bigger the better.


48 posted on 11/12/2010 10:59:35 PM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Since modification of a sub is not a matter of slapping on a “Sub Modification Kit” available at the hardware store any such on this sub would have been noticed by the Navy. Multi-month jobs on big ships does not go hidden.


49 posted on 11/12/2010 11:22:19 PM PST by arrogantsob
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To: Windflier
I was told tonight, that the US military watches every cubic inch of our territorial waters, 24/7/365, and that they can image something as small as a sardine with ease. Point being, that there's no way that something as big as a sub could ever get by our sensors undetected.

We can't and they can. We have less anti-sub capacity today than we did ten years ago. We now have the smallest Navy ship wise since The Great Depression. The only 100% sure fire verification of a submarine is having a visual sighting. Other than that? Pray for a lucky and accurate ping. We have advanced technology but no where near what you were told.

50 posted on 11/12/2010 11:34:34 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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