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Maine Rep Switches From Dem To republican
Bangor Daily News ^ | 11-13-10 | Christopher Cousins, BDN Staff

Posted on 11/13/2010 7:00:00 AM PST by paul in cape

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To: Netizen
Wasn't Reagan a Democrat at one time?

Reagan was a JFK-like Democrat.

The Demo(n)crats of today are completely different then they were 40 or so years ago. C'mon, we both know this.

51 posted on 11/13/2010 10:11:20 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: WellyP
At least for now, we can hope.

Just how is that hopey-changey stuff working out for you?

52 posted on 11/13/2010 10:13:00 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Springfield Reformer
Not to pile on, but “Ronaldus Magnus” wouldn’t have gotten through under your test, so how does that hekp us?

Tell me with a straight face that you and the rest on this thread who noted that Reagan was once a Democrat are seriously comparing the Democrats of 40-50 years ago now (ie: JFK) to the Democrats of today.

That's beyond ridiculous, IMO. JFK wouldn't recognize the Democrats of today as being from his party if he were still alive.

The "Reagan was once a Democrat" argument just doesn't hold water. The Democrat party of today is absolutely nothing like the Democrat party of 40-50 years ago. Making the comparison is incredulously ignorant of political history or worse, intellectually dishonest.

53 posted on 11/13/2010 10:18:57 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: N. Theknow
As for myself, I was Democrat being raised in the South.

Me too ... but I was raised in New York City where Democrats often run unopposed.

On my little peninsula the independent ‘Harry S. Truman Democratic Club’ and ‘Good Government Regular Democratic Club’ have been active for years. They provide the important local linkages that make grassroots clubs so effective. They attend local events, they host fundraisers, they have columns in the local newspaper, they sponsor weekly bus trips to Atlantic City casinos. etc.

Only recently has the ‘Rockaway Republicans’ been formed. They are trying to revive a Republican presence in the Rockaways. But now the chair of the Queens County Republican Party wants to disband it in favor of a single Queens Club that would roll up all independent clubs within a single structure on the mainland. Bad move on their part.

54 posted on 11/13/2010 10:21:06 AM PST by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Raider Sam
Yeah, Ronald Reagan was suuuuch democrat/RINO!

See post 53. If you're seriously comparing the Democrat party of 40-50 years ago with today's Democrat party, you've completely lost the argument.

55 posted on 11/13/2010 10:23:17 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

I hear what you’re saying, but you have the wrong attitude. Personally, I welcome disgusted, awakened Democrats to the Republican party much the way I welcomed Ronald Reagan to the Republican party when he left the... make that, when the Democrat party left him.

FRegards,
LH


56 posted on 11/13/2010 10:25:09 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: N. Theknow; bboop; Netizen; Lysandru; dangerdoc; Raider Sam; Tennessean4Bush

See my post 53 above and try making your argument again.


57 posted on 11/13/2010 10:25:22 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Lancey Howard

You’re another one making false comparisons to the Democrats of 40-50 years ago (ie: JFK’s era) to the Democrats of today. See #53 above and try again.......


58 posted on 11/13/2010 10:26:52 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Willette won fairly handily; it was not a close race. I congratulate Willette for having the guts to do what he did, especially in a place like Maine. Welcome, Michael.


59 posted on 11/13/2010 10:28:39 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Carley

“Oh, Olympia..............Oh, Olympia..........are you paying attention.”

Sorry, but hell no!


60 posted on 11/13/2010 10:30:55 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: usconservative

Your “point” is useless. The Republican party, too, was far different 40 years ago.
So what?

Get off your high horse.


61 posted on 11/13/2010 10:31:19 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: usconservative

Sorry, but I was around for the whole transition, and aware of my surroundings too, so I can’t claim ignorance. As a boy, I watched the TV in a store window the day JFK was shot. The Democrats were more conservative then than now, but only because culture constrained them. We who were conservative way back then, when it wasn’t cool, still saw them as pulling hard in the wrong direction. The Democrats, with their inherent susceptibility to Wilsonian progressivism, have long been a corrupting influence, since well before FDR, and I am surprised that you, with your assertion of other’s ignorance of these things, would make such a claim yourself. Furthermore, Reagan did change his positions over time on some key conservative issues, even after he became a Republican, because these transitions don’t always happen all at once.

And I categorically deny any intent to deceive, and I think you should withdraw so reckless a charge. What I’m saying is simply this: We should trust, but we should also verify. I don’t want RINO-corruption any more than you do. Seriously, I’m from Illinois, and I know how bad it can be. But I do want a constitutional freedom to be observed here, the freedom of association. If someone has a conservative epiphany, and sincerely so, we want that person fighting with us, not against us. Think Othello, not chess. Wars of attrition are losing propositions for both sides. We need to claim new human territory, not just new geographical territory, if we are to win the longer conflict.


62 posted on 11/13/2010 10:59:26 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: usconservative

Your original post said “once a democrat, always a democrat.” It didnt say “nowadays, once a democrat, always a democrat.”

Quit trying to pretend like you meant something you didnt say. Plus, how do we convert people if we wont allow former democrats to join our side?


63 posted on 11/13/2010 11:07:12 AM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: usconservative

What makes you think Post 53 is the be-all end-all on the subject? You keep referencing it like it’s the encyclopedia or something.


64 posted on 11/13/2010 11:13:08 AM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Well said and thanks for clearing things up.


65 posted on 11/13/2010 11:56:15 AM PST by Netizen
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To: usconservative
You’re another one making false comparisons to the Democrats of 40-50 years ago (ie: JFK’s era) to the Democrats of today. See #53 above and try again.......
I surely will. Richard Shelby was a Democrat until 1994 and Ralph Hall was a Democrat until 2004. Both are currently reliably conservative Republican members of the Senate or House respectively.
66 posted on 11/13/2010 1:14:23 PM PST by JackTom
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To: Springfield Reformer

Exactly, trust, but verify.


67 posted on 11/13/2010 2:11:09 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don’t worry about being effective. Just concentrate on being faithful to the truth.)
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To: Raider Sam
Quit trying to pretend like you meant something you didnt say

I'm not the one(s) who made the false comparison, you and others were, I simply pointed out the flaw in it.

Show me exactly where I pretending like I meant something I didn't say. You can't. To do so you'd have to prove I was the one that made the comparison first. Obviously I didn't fall into that trap, you and others did.

68 posted on 11/13/2010 3:00:38 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Springfield Reformer
The Democrats were more conservative then than now

Thanks for putting that fact on the table for others to see. The comparison that others made between the Democrats of that time to today's Democrats simply isn't accurate.

Seriously, I’m from Illinois, and I know how bad it can be.

So am I, welcome to the People's Soclialist RepubliK of Illannoyed.

If someone has a conservative epiphany

The same way Arlen Specter did, only to go back to the Democrat party to try and survive politically? No thank you. If they truly had an epiphany, they should stay in their own party and clean up their own mess, not drag it into the Republican Party. I don't believe for one second that any of these Democrats really gives a rats behind about advancing Conservative ideas, rather I think they're all about surviving the next election so they don't have to go back to the private sector and find a real job!

69 posted on 11/13/2010 3:07:43 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Tupelo
B: He accepted Democrat money to campaign with

That's an incorrect assumption.

That is just one of the many reasons I don't trust the Republican any more than I trust the Democrats. One party with two faces.

Yeah whatever...

In Maine. the Rs haven't been in control since the early 70s.

In the recent past, there were party line votes on most all significant issues, illustrating a clear difference between the parties.

I'm pretty sure the Northern Maine democrats don't realize that the average RAT legislator is a communist. They likely they think they're voting for a JFK democrat.

70 posted on 11/13/2010 3:21:04 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate: Republicans freed the slaves Month.)
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To: usconservative

I proved it in the post that you responded to. You said once a dem, always a dem. Then, when you were proven wrong, you pretended like you meant that “in modern times” once a dem, always a dem.

You were wrong on the first thing you said and tried to pretend like it meant something else when called out, then claimed that people who argued against your first point were actually arguing against a point you didnt make until later.


71 posted on 11/13/2010 4:05:09 PM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: usconservative

Again, I feel your pain with respect to the risk of getting “Spectered,” but I just can’t go with you on generalizing to an absolute prohibition.

More importantly, what do we do when some pol does claim conversion? Believing them blindly would be foolishness, true, but asking them to stay Democrats would be like asking (let’s see, what can I use here that won’t be inflammatory) a convert to Limbaugh to continue listening only to Olberman. If it’s a real conversion, you’re asking them to do the impossible, you’re asking them to do what would drive a decent person insane. That party can’t be cleaned up, and it’s no good asking those who want out to do it. The best thing that could happen to the Democrat Party, and to us, is for it to be reduced to permanent, miniscule third party status for lack of attendance, and for that to happen we need people to leave it.

As for my so-called “admission” that democrats of the past were more conservative then than now, I wish to also keep on the table that I only meant that in a relative sense. Kennedy was something of an exception to the larger stream of proto-socialist leanings in the party as whole. My dad was fighting this stuff, in the strongest of democrat strongholds, Chicago, even before I was born. His dealings with Jesse Jackson and Mayor Dailey the Elder were sufficient to convince me these folks would stoop to whatever vile deed it took to subjugate people and grow government, with no regard for principles or the Constitution.

So, is it really fair to expect one person to fix all that? I don’t think so. Sometimes, like Martin Luther, you’ve just got to take your stand, break old ties, and let the chips fall where they may.

One more thing. I don’t accept the idea that people can’t change for the better. Neither did Ronald Reagan. Optimism is the wind beneath the wings of conservatism, the belief that if you sell the better product, or make the better argument, you can win people to your side, and make things better for everyone. That’s what I believe, and I’m sticking to it.


72 posted on 11/13/2010 4:40:03 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: paul in cape

The Maine is plainly pain for Obama.
“By George, he’s got it. “


73 posted on 11/14/2010 2:57:56 AM PST by ari-freedom (Islam is at war against America, while America is at the mall.)
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