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The Decider returns to haunt Mr Nuance as George W. Bush eclipses Barack Obama
The Telegraph ^ | 11/13/2010 | Toby Harnden

Posted on 11/13/2010 12:45:05 PM PST by chickadee

Looking at the 43rd and 44th American presidents right now, it is worth reflecting that it was only the unpopularity of Bush and all he represented that enabled someone as inexperienced and unproven as Obama to ascend to power.

By the same token, perhaps only a performance in office as myopic, self-absorbed and hubristic as that of Obama could have brought about a Bush rehabilitation so swiftly.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; bush43; bushhatingtrollsonfr; decisionpoints; elections; memoir; obama; presidentbush; presidentgeorgewbush
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While I disagreed with many of the things GWB did while in office, it has been a breath of fresh air to see and hear him over this past week as he has promoted his book. No lectures, no anti-Americanism and plenty of class.
1 posted on 11/13/2010 12:45:13 PM PST by chickadee
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To: chickadee

well said.


2 posted on 11/13/2010 12:46:48 PM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: rrrod

Leave it to the British press to speak with more clarity than many American news outlets would do.


3 posted on 11/13/2010 12:49:14 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: chickadee

A bit like comparing Thomas Jefferson to Hugo Chavez.....


4 posted on 11/13/2010 12:49:46 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: chickadee

Bush is honest, and he is a man of integrity.


5 posted on 11/13/2010 1:01:09 PM PST by Savage Beast ("You can, in fact must, shout 'fire' in a crowded theatre. It just has to be the truth." J. Goldberg)
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To: chickadee

Bush is honest, and he is a man of integrity.


6 posted on 11/13/2010 1:01:24 PM PST by Savage Beast ("You can, in fact must, shout 'fire' in a crowded theatre. It just has to be the truth." J. Goldberg)
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To: chickadee

Bush is honest, and he is a man of integrity.


7 posted on 11/13/2010 1:01:38 PM PST by Savage Beast ("You can, in fact must, shout 'fire' in a crowded theatre. It just has to be the truth." J. Goldberg)
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To: chickadee

Heh heh heh... I’m enjoying this so much...


8 posted on 11/13/2010 1:02:17 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Savage Beast

You can say that again! (and again, and again;)


9 posted on 11/13/2010 1:03:08 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: chickadee

Comparing GW Bush to Barack Hussein Obama is a waste of time. America destroying, Obama, his America hating wife, Michelle and his entire ilk of America hating, America destroying, Democrats are not fit to take out the garbage of GW and Laura Bush!!! And.....the overwhelming numbers of the American people know it. End of story!!!


10 posted on 11/13/2010 1:06:51 PM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: Dilbert San Diego
By the same token, perhaps only a performance in office as myopic, self-absorbed and hubristic as that of Obama could have brought about a Bush rehabilitation so swiftly.

I'll bet that stung a bit.

11 posted on 11/13/2010 1:12:01 PM PST by susannah59
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To: Frank_2001
Okay.

Bush is honest, and he is a man of integrity.
Bush is honest, and he is a man of integrity.
Bush is honest, and he is a man of integrity.

There.

12 posted on 11/13/2010 1:15:33 PM PST by Savage Beast ("You can, in fact must, shout 'fire' in a crowded theatre. It just has to be the truth." J. Goldberg)
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To: chickadee

Bush is a NORMAL person.


13 posted on 11/13/2010 1:16:39 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: JLAGRAYFOX
"Democrats are not fit to take out the garbage of GW and Laura Bush!!!"

You can say that again! (and again, and again;)

14 posted on 11/13/2010 1:17:54 PM PST by Savage Beast ("You can, in fact must, shout 'fire' in a crowded theatre. It just has to be the truth." J. Goldberg)
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To: chickadee
Obama is an Islamo-Marxist-Chicago-Gangster. Obama’s hate, lies and destruction are now visible to the masses. Obama can no longer use Bush as the fall guy. Bush is a bright light compared to Obama.
15 posted on 11/13/2010 1:20:50 PM PST by Armaggedon
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To: Savage Beast

Bush may be a RINO but he has always been genuine in his approach, and clearly loves his country. This imposter in the WH is a child.


16 posted on 11/13/2010 1:24:48 PM PST by max americana
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

In order to be missed you have to first GO AWAY. Something Clinton and Carter never learned.


17 posted on 11/13/2010 1:24:58 PM PST by djwright (2012 The White House Gets Another Coat Of Shellac)
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To: djwright

Question from Matt Lauer: “Would you OK it (waterboarding) again?

Answer from GWB: “Yeah, I would.”

Any answer from Obama on any subject would be a five to ten minute, stumbling obfuscation.


18 posted on 11/13/2010 1:36:49 PM PST by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: chickadee

i bought his book :-)


19 posted on 11/13/2010 1:37:56 PM PST by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

I get your point, but based on the exact examples that you cited, I think that a comparison between the two Presidents is most enlightening and instructive. Guess who comes out looking more “Presidential.”


20 posted on 11/13/2010 1:39:01 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Vincit qui se vincitfy)
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To: chickadee

The question that begs asking is that if Bush is rehabilitated, does that mean Jeb is now OK to enter the 2012 prez mix?


21 posted on 11/13/2010 1:44:30 PM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (All sweat, no equity)
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To: rrrod
Bill Clinton (who has magnanimously, or perhaps mischievously, praised Bush's memoir) is currently experiencing a renaissance, especially among conservatives.

Lest any conservative forget about the damage Bill Clinton did to our country:

1) Clinton’s own words show his often expressed innate hostility to, and utter contempt for, the core principles of the American founding:

``If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government’s ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.’’ -- President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993

``The purpose of government is to reign in the rights of the people’’ –- Bill Clinton during an interview on MTV in 1993

``We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans…that we forget about reality.’’ -- President Bill Clinton, quoted in USA Today, March 11, 1993, Page 2A, ``NRA change: `Omnipotent to powerful’’’ by Debbie Howlett

“When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly… that they would work for the common good, as well as for the individual welfare… However, now there’s a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there’s too much freedom. When personal freedom’s being abused, you have to move to limit it.” – Bill Clinton, April 19, 1995

2) Clinton inevitably pursued his own political advantage at the expense of American interests and national security. Here is just one of many possible examples:

It is well documented that Clinton and the Democrats took illegal campaign money from groups and individuals tied directly to the Chinese People’s Republican Army. It is therefore not surprising that In January 1998 Clinton went against the advice of then-Secretary of State Warren Christopher and Pentagon experts by lifting long-standing restrictions against the export of American satellites to China for launch on Chinese rockets. Not only did he move control over such decisions from the more security-focused State Department to the Commerce Department, but he intervened in a Justice Department investigation of Loral Space & Communications, retroactively enabling Loral to sell critical missile technology to the Chinese. Interestingly enough, Clinton’s decision was made at the request of Loral CEO Bernard Schwartz, whose earlier $1.3 million campaign donation made him the single biggest contributor to the Democratic election effort.

The result, as stated eloquently by syndicated columnist Linda Bowles, was that “the Democrats got money from satellite companies and from Chinese communists; China got supercomputors, advanced production equipment and missile technology; Loral got its satellites launched at bargain basement prices . . . and the transfer of sensitive missile technology gave China [for the first time] the capability of depositing bombs on American cities.” Incidentally, Loral ultimately failed to benefit from this permanent injury to America’s security interests: in July 2003, the company filed for bankruptcy protection, and in order to raise cash was forced to sell its most profitable business – a fleet of communications satellites orbiting over North America.

3) On two occasions, Clinton used military action for the specific purpose of distracting the American public from the fallout of the Lewinsky affair:

• On August 20, three days after Clinton finally admitted publicly to the Lewinsky affair, the news media was poised to focus on that day’s grand jury testimony by Monica Lewinsky. That same morning, Clinton personally went on national television to gravely announce his bombing of a Sudanese “chemical weapons factory,” and a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan. It was the first time most Americans ever heard the name of Osama bin Laden. The factory bombing in Sudan killed an innocent night watchman, but accomplished little else. It later was proven that the plant was making badly needed pharmaceuticals for people in that poverty-stricken part of the world, but no chemical weapons.

Several months later, the U.S. Center for Nonproliferation Studies, part of the Monterey Institute of International Studies, stated: "...the evidence indicates that the facility had no role whatsoever in chemical weapons development." Kroll Associates, one of the world's most reputable investigative firms, also confirmed that there was no link in any way between the plant and any terrorist organization. As for the Afghanistan bombing, it failed to do any damage at all to bin Laden or his organization. Clinton’s action was accurately characterized by George W. Bush when he said right after 9-11: "When I take action, I’m not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt.

Clinton’s pointless and murderous military actions did not make Americans safer that day, although they did destroy an innocent life, and for all the good they did certainly could have been delayed in any case. But they did succeed in diverting media attention from Lewinsky’s grand jury testimony for a 24-hour news cycle, which was the main point. So I guess, they weren’t a total loss.

•On December 16, 1998, on the eve of the scheduled House vote on his impeachment, Bill Clinton launched a surprise bombing attack on Baghdad. As justification for this exploit, he cited the urgent threat that Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction posed to America, and the need for immediate action. Almost immediately, the House Democrats held a caucus and emerged calling for a delay in the impeachment proceedings. House minority leader Dick Gephardt made a statement: "We obviously should pass a resolution by saying that we stand behind the troops. I would hope that we do not take up impeachment until the hostilities have completely ended."

Conveniently, a delay so near the end of the House term would have caused the vote to be taken up in the next session – when the newly elected House membership would be seated with more Democratic representation, thereby improving Clinton’s chances of dodging impeachment.

The Republicans did, in fact, agree to delay the hearings, but only for a day or two. Amazingly, Clinton ended the bombing raid after only 70 hours -- once it became clear that in spite of the brief delay, the vote would still be held in the current session.

Once the bombing stopped, Clinton touted the effectiveness and importance of the mission. As reported by ABC News : “We have inflicted significant damage on Saddam's weapons of mass destruction programs, on the command structures that direct and protect that capability, and on his military and security infrastructure,” he said. Defense secretary William Cohen echoed the point: “We estimate that Saddam's missile program has been set back by at least a year.”

Whether or not one buys Clinton’s assessment of that mission, it is difficult to believe that its timing was so critical that it required commencement virtually at the moment the House was scheduled to vote on the impeachment. I think the most reasonable conclusion is that Clinton cynically deployed US military assets and placed military personnel in harm’s way for purely political reasons.

4) Clinton’s reckless sexual behavior was a threat to American national security:

Clinton and his supporters have been very effective in persuading large numbers of Americans that the Lewinsky scandal was “only about sex.” But I see a bigger issue here, because Clinton is on record as saying that he would have done anything to keep knowledge of the Lewinsky affair from becoming public.

To me, that statement raises a very serious question: What if, instead of sending her recorded Lewinsky conversations to Ken Starr, Linda Tripp had instead secretly offered them for sale, say, to the Chinese government? Or to the Russians? Or even to agents of Saddam?

What kind of blackmail leverage would those tapes have provided to a foreign government in dealing with America on sensitive trade, security or military issues? One of the few things Clinton ever said that I believe is that he would have done anything to keep the Lewinsky affair secret. Given his demonstrated track record of selling out American interests for personal or political gain (and there are more examples that I could have cited here), how far would he have gone in compromising America’s real interests in order to protect his own neck when threatened with blackmail?

Pretty far, I believe. Equally distressing is the prospect Clinton might, in fact, have succumbed to foreign black mail on other occasions in order to hide different sexual episodes that ultimately did not become public. There is no way to know, of course, but I prefer presidents for whom such a scenario is not a plausible possibility.

And Don’t even get me started on the war crime in Kosovo.

22 posted on 11/13/2010 1:44:40 PM PST by Maceman (Obama: As American as nasi goreng)
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To: djwright
Well Said!!
23 posted on 11/13/2010 1:46:12 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: chickadee

Americans are not only missing Bush; sometimes, they’re even pining for the Fords!


24 posted on 11/13/2010 1:47:39 PM PST by Hunton Peck (Endowed by my Creator with certain unalienable Rights)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

I think Jeb needs to wait until 2016. That way he can go toe to toe with Hillary:)


25 posted on 11/13/2010 1:55:44 PM PST by chickadee
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To: Samurai_Jack

Now you have to read it. I buy so many books that I “mean to” read. Sad to say, “Liberty and Tyranny” is still sitting there unread. But, I am enjoying, “The Real George Washington”.


26 posted on 11/13/2010 1:57:31 PM PST by chickadee
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To: Maceman

Bump.

And never forget the pig-in-a-pantsuit’s many “maximum allowed” campaign donations from Chinese dishwashers in 2008....


27 posted on 11/13/2010 1:58:55 PM PST by Yossarian (Heartfelt thanks, Tea Party Patriots! Despite slander and muck, you pulled through!)
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To: chickadee

“only the unpopularity of Bush and all he represented”

It’s a puzzlement. Bush did some things that angered me, but nothing he did justified the slavering malice that the leftards spewed at him.

Did they just decide to target him for personal destruction in revenge for the Stupid Party having tried to catch Beelzebubba in some of his major felonies?

Was it required to restore symmetry? That is, to prop up the lie that “everybody does it,” that the right is just as bad as the left? In the case of the Clintstones, that was very bad indeed, which would necessitate an extremely high volume of slander and hatred.

Or did they do it for the same reason a dog licks himself? Which is to say, because they could. Did they finally realize that, with the media, the courts, and academia in their pockets they could say absolutely anything, with no regard for truth—or even sanity—and get away with it?

I scratch my pointed head in perplexity. I wish I would come across a Thomas Sowell article illuminating this point.


28 posted on 11/13/2010 2:00:22 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

You are exactly right - they did it because they could. They are still not over Bush winning in 2000. They drove Nixon from office. They tried to do the same to Bush/Cheney. Cheney in particular. The left is a bunch of childish haters who take everything personally. Their politics are their religion.


29 posted on 11/13/2010 2:07:54 PM PST by chickadee
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To: max americana

“This imposter in the WH is a child.”

No way, a child would be innocent, Obama is not innocent.


30 posted on 11/13/2010 2:13:47 PM PST by tiki
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To: chickadee
I think Jeb needs to wait until 2016.

I hope your referring to a high school reunion dance. Dear God...no more Bush's.

31 posted on 11/13/2010 2:15:42 PM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues
"Dear God...no more Bush's."

:) I was just responding to someone else's question. I'm still exhausted from the last round of Bush Derangement Syndrome.
32 posted on 11/13/2010 2:23:48 PM PST by chickadee
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To: chickadee
And the hits just keep coming for Bambi...It pleases me.
33 posted on 11/13/2010 2:28:11 PM PST by ladyvet (I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: Savage Beast
Bush is honest, and he is a man of integrity.

Bush is honest, and he is a man of integrity.

Bush is honest, and he is a man of integrity.

We get the point.

34 posted on 11/13/2010 2:38:35 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Maceman

Thank you. Any on the right indulging some nostalgia for Clinton are forgetting that he opened the door to an Obama.


35 posted on 11/13/2010 2:53:13 PM PST by mrsmel
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To: chickadee

Harnden thinks Bush’s book isn’t lyrical like Obama’s. That’s because Bush didn’t have Bill Ayers writing it for him.


36 posted on 11/13/2010 2:53:53 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: chickadee
"There could have been no Obama without Bush,..."


37 posted on 11/13/2010 3:00:16 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: susannah59

I hope it did, but I have a feeling those around The One protect him from as much as they can, so I doubt he sees all the negatives written or said about him.


38 posted on 11/13/2010 3:03:39 PM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: chickadee
Krauthammer said the other night that he fully expected President Bush to be fully exonerated at some point like Truman was, but he never expected it would come so soon.
39 posted on 11/13/2010 3:35:12 PM PST by FrdmLvr (Death to tyrants)
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To: Samurai_Jack

I bought his book today, too! :)


40 posted on 11/13/2010 3:37:55 PM PST by FrdmLvr (Death to tyrants)
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To: chickadee

One thing that was never really recognized about Bush’s low poll numbers at the end of his presidency was that he was only “unpopular” because he had lost the support of a lot of conservatives for doing some things they did not agree with.

Had they stuck with him (not saying they should have exactly, just making a point), I think Bush would have remained quite popular. Except for the anti-war loonies, there was never a deep and wide feeling among Americans that Bush wasn’t, well, a Decider, a straight-talker, a man who put his all into protecting each and every one of us, an honorable man who honored our troops, our people, our history and our place in the world. None of those things were ever in doubt with George W. Bush.

The point is there is a huge (and HUGH) difference between being unpopular for not, essentially, being conservative enough and being unpopular because you are a Marxist hellbent to destroy the U.S.A. from the foundation on up.


41 posted on 11/13/2010 3:40:45 PM PST by fightinJAG (Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

Jeb Bush has already said he’s not running!!


42 posted on 11/13/2010 4:29:31 PM PST by CARepublicans (www.teamsarah.org)
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To: fightinJAG

You have a good point about conservatives being disappointed by Bush (immigration and the medicare drug program come to mind), but in addition, I think the general population was sick and tired of the constant negative media claque. They ripped Bush incessantly, 24/7. People were willing to vote for Obama just to get some peace from it all, thinking that once the lefties and the media had their darling in place, that the national conversation would improve.

It seems that the general population has decided that the price of “peace” was too high and they made their feelings known on 11/2/10.


43 posted on 11/13/2010 5:50:01 PM PST by chickadee
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To: chickadee
The Inept Media may be starting to realize the truth. O is a zero. And that is being mean to zeros.
44 posted on 11/13/2010 7:06:36 PM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: chickadee

Obama isn’t fit to lick the cow $h!+ off W’s boots...well maybe, but that’s about it.


45 posted on 11/13/2010 7:22:07 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate: Republicans freed the slaves Month.)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX
Tell us how you really fell.
46 posted on 11/13/2010 7:43:17 PM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

Mitt Romney is Jeb Bush’s placeholder. If he gets the nomination, he can’t get elected and, after 8 years of BO, a Bush is going to look awfully good.


47 posted on 11/13/2010 9:20:40 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar
The question that begs asking is that if Bush is rehabilitated, does that mean Jeb is now OK to enter the 2012 prez mix?

Yer pushin' it a bit too far now.

48 posted on 11/13/2010 10:08:31 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: chickadee

I love the description of Obama as “Hamlet on the Potomac”. That’s a keeper.
Thanks for posting this.


49 posted on 11/13/2010 10:29:03 PM PST by sunshine state
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To: chickadee; dsc

They were emulating their hero Bill “I-did-it-because-I-could” Clinton.


50 posted on 11/13/2010 10:54:32 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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