Tell me, do you really think that this is an airliner and not a missile launch, as the Jane's expert is calling it and as the former Under Secretary of Defense is calling it???
http://state-of-the-nation.com/
Posted on 11/13/2010 2:55:59 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009
Hannity was surprised to hear a famous ex Air Force General tell him “That Is A Missile, Shot From A Submarine!” I quote retired Air Force Lieutenant General Tom McInerney (ex commander of 11th Air Force in Alaska) “I spent 35 years flying fighters, and you can see the guidance system kick in, I have watched that film 10 times, I am absolutely certain that that is not an aircraft, but a sub launch ICBM missile!!!” See the video and judge his words for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LivRJOWrcpA&feature=player_embedded#! I will next post a clickable link.
One reason to not respond is the fact what’s objective, rational, logical cannot have a coherent conversation with what’s subjective, irrational, and illogical.
These missle thread discussions have proved that, again.
There is no physical way a vertical missle contrail could leave a shadow in line with the setting sun like in the photo I linked. This is very basic physics. The conversation is ignoring basic physics and has moved into the subjective and emotional realm where what’s objectively rational and true is sacrificed on the altar of imaginative and subjective opinion. When reason and logic leave a conversation what’s the point? How do you convince Don Quixote what he’s imagining to be a giant is really a windmill? Reason can’t do it, logic can’t do it, so the coherent part of any possible conversation is over.
Ok, take a good look at the two shuttle photos. The plume is different colors because the bottom is in twilight and the top is high enough to still be in direct sunlight. The mystery plume is the same color end to end because it is horizontal and from a plane.
Do you KNOW there was no radar track? Or that the official at the FAA SAID there was no radar track?
Folks, if someone managed to light a candle 30 miles off the Los Angeles coast, do you really thing the US government would admit it???
Think about what might happen if they did. Mass panic? A run on the banks? Riots?
Note I said “might happen”. Then ask yourself, what is likely written into the contingency plans for such an event?
Ah, there you are,
. Minister, Chief of Staff.
Are you aware of our ATAC system?
ATAC, sir? Automatic Targeting Attack Communicator?
Uses an ultra-low frequency coded transmitter... to order our submarines to launch ballistic missiles.
Five days ago, our spy ship, St. Georges was sunk... in the Ionian Sea.
She was equipped with ATAC.
Now, if that transmitter were to fall into the wrong hands... it would render our entire Polaris fleet useless.
- Every order could be countermanded.
- Worse. Our own submarines could be ordered to attack our own cities.
I didn’t see this segment, so thanks for posting this. After so many actual experts (as opposed to armchair guessers) saying this was a missile, I’m convinced that’s what it was.
The only question remaining is, whose missile was it?
I had not seen it also. You are welcome. Did you notice that the insults are beginning already?
I saw the contrail photos and to my eyes there is no comparison.
1) No smoke spewing out of the back of the missile.
2) No tell tale corkscrew smoke plume typical of a missile and a missile only.
3) No bright red “fire” to be seen in the video excerpt coming out of the back of the rocket as it speeds away from us at a 45 degree angle heading North (North Pacific? North China?)
I tire
The list goes on and on. I can’t make these contrail truthers see if they will not see.
But
It is not a flat thin contrail passing over our heads in LA, going to AZ.
It is a missile launch, moving up and away from us, (not an “optical illusion”), and it is just like the ones many have seen many times from Pt. Mugu and Vandenberg ...
Listen to the interview and the video.
The man is very serious, very sure of his opinion, says “Ask any Navy or Air Force squadron anywhere in the world and they will agree with me: it is a sub based ICBM launch”.
Thomas G. McInerney, three star General: 4,100 flying hours. 407 combat missions.
Go on and insult him, contrail crazies ...
Uh...um...
Huh?
http://state-of-the-nation.com/
On the basis of public observations, government explanations and the political atmosphere at the time this was a covered up incident.
And you refuse to address the other facts. The radar issue alone is one insurmountable fact. The plume of a solid-rocket exhaust contains aluminum oxide particles which reflect radar. If it was not water (as in a contrail) the plume would have stuck out on every radar on the west coast. Now make up an excuse for that one.....
The video I saw clearly showed a fire trail as would normally be produced by a missile.
Are you kidding? Of course not.
Read "Blind Man's Bluff" about the US Navy's covert submarine warfare against the Soviets from the '60s through the '80s.
"Blind Man's Bluff: The Untold Story of American Submarine Espionage (ISBN 0-06-103004-X), published in 1998 by Sherry Sontag, Christopher Drew, and Annette Lawrence Drew, is a non-fiction book about U.S. Navy submarine operations during the Cold War. Several operations are described in the book, such as the use of USS Parche to tap Soviet undersea communications cables and USS Halibut to do the same in Operation Ivy Bells. The book also contains an extensive list of submarine collisions and U.S. submarine awards."
Ah! I see you did comment. Find parts of the film that show the hot part of the exhaust and explain the flickering and the change of colors. Those collars are not random and indicate a solid rocket motor.
I’ve watched a whole lot of airplanes and a few missiles. I still can’t say for absolute certainty that what was shown in that film-clip was one or the other. What I can state with absolute certainty though is that our side is as completely mystified as any of us. I also remember how “our” side totally ignored the testimony of a whole bunch of independent witnesses to the TWA 800 disaster and dreamed up the “center tank theory,” thus protecting their own backsides for a massive intelligence breakdown. And this is the same bunch that foisted that idea off onto us then, so they have plenty of experience at bamboozling the masses (of which we are a part).
Our “intelligence” (what an oxymoron!) organs were caught with their panties down over the TWA 800 mess. They had a similar problem when that chinese sub surfaced in the middle of our task force. Both times they had (after a bit of scrambling) good, plausible reasons why they weren’t guilty of poking ol’ Shep.
Just like now. I do not trust anyone from the government. How many times have we noted that a sure indication of them lying is whether or not their lips are moving?
I took the photos of the Shuttle, and trust me, the plume in the misslile photo looks exactly like a Shuttle (missile) launch.
Uses an ultra-low frequency coded transmitter... to order our submarines to launch ballistic missiles.
Five days ago, our spy ship, St. Georges was sunk... in the Ionian Sea.
She was equipped with ATAC. Now, if that transmitter were to fall into the wrong hands... it would render our entire Polaris fleet useless. - Every order could be countermanded. - Worse. Our own submarines could be ordered to attack our own cities.
If half of what you're saying is true, we're in the soup.
The skies are LAX are full of aircraft. Why was there only this one contrail when there should have been dozens?
It was us. Shooting at a Chi-Com Sub. The sub had earlier hit that cruise ship with a new EMP weapon and knocked out all its electronic systems. A shot across little Obambis bow.
The USA, Russia, England, France, China.
If it was a SLBM, it came from one of them:)
If that is a sunset launch that is the moon’s shadow and has nothing to do with the shuttle’s contrail except coincidence.
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