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Amazing Interview: Air Force General says "Sub Launched Missile, 100% Certain"
Fox News Interview with Air Force General Tom McInerney | November 14th 2010 | Fox News Hannity Interview

Posted on 11/13/2010 2:55:59 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009

Hannity was surprised to hear a famous ex Air Force General tell him “That Is A Missile, Shot From A Submarine!” I quote retired Air Force Lieutenant General Tom McInerney (ex commander of 11th Air Force in Alaska) “I spent 35 years flying fighters, and you can see the guidance system kick in, I have watched that film 10 times, I am absolutely certain that that is not an aircraft, but a sub launch ICBM missile!!!” See the video and judge his words for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LivRJOWrcpA&feature=player_embedded#! I will next post a clickable link.


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To: ChiMark

One reason to not respond is the fact what’s objective, rational, logical cannot have a coherent conversation with what’s subjective, irrational, and illogical.

These missle thread discussions have proved that, again.

There is no physical way a vertical missle contrail could leave a shadow in line with the setting sun like in the photo I linked. This is very basic physics. The conversation is ignoring basic physics and has moved into the subjective and emotional realm where what’s objectively rational and true is sacrificed on the altar of imaginative and subjective opinion. When reason and logic leave a conversation what’s the point? How do you convince Don Quixote what he’s imagining to be a giant is really a windmill? Reason can’t do it, logic can’t do it, so the coherent part of any possible conversation is over.


101 posted on 11/13/2010 3:48:08 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: Bushbacker1

Ok, take a good look at the two shuttle photos. The plume is different colors because the bottom is in twilight and the top is high enough to still be in direct sunlight. The mystery plume is the same color end to end because it is horizontal and from a plane.


102 posted on 11/13/2010 3:48:39 PM PST by idkfa
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To: Ben Mugged

Do you KNOW there was no radar track? Or that the official at the FAA SAID there was no radar track?

Folks, if someone managed to light a candle 30 miles off the Los Angeles coast, do you really thing the US government would admit it???

Think about what might happen if they did. Mass panic? A run on the banks? Riots?

Note I said “might happen”. Then ask yourself, what is likely written into the contingency plans for such an event?


103 posted on 11/13/2010 3:51:22 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Captainpaintball
For Your Eyes Only (1981):

Ah, there you are,

. Minister, Chief of Staff.

Are you aware of our ATAC system?

ATAC, sir? Automatic Targeting Attack Communicator?

Uses an ultra-low frequency coded transmitter... to order our submarines to launch ballistic missiles.

Five days ago, our spy ship, St. Georges was sunk... in the Ionian Sea.

She was equipped with ATAC.

Now, if that transmitter were to fall into the wrong hands... it would render our entire Polaris fleet useless.

- Every order could be countermanded.

- Worse. Our own submarines could be ordered to attack our own cities.

104 posted on 11/13/2010 3:51:34 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: MizSterious

I didn’t see this segment, so thanks for posting this. After so many actual experts (as opposed to armchair guessers) saying this was a missile, I’m convinced that’s what it was.

The only question remaining is, whose missile was it?


I had not seen it also. You are welcome. Did you notice that the insults are beginning already?

I saw the contrail photos and to my eyes there is no comparison.

1) No smoke spewing out of the back of the missile.

2) No tell tale corkscrew smoke plume typical of a missile and a missile only.

3) No bright red “fire” to be seen in the video excerpt coming out of the back of the rocket as it speeds away from us at a 45 degree angle heading North (North Pacific? North China?)

I tire

The list goes on and on. I can’t make these contrail truthers see if they will not see.

But

It is not a flat thin contrail passing over our heads in LA, going to AZ.

It is a missile launch, moving up and away from us, (not an “optical illusion”), and it is just like the ones many have seen many times from Pt. Mugu and Vandenberg ...

Listen to the interview and the video.

The man is very serious, very sure of his opinion, says “Ask any Navy or Air Force squadron anywhere in the world and they will agree with me: it is a sub based ICBM launch”.

Thomas G. McInerney, three star General: 4,100 flying hours. 407 combat missions.

Go on and insult him, contrail crazies ...


105 posted on 11/13/2010 3:52:07 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: The Comedian
Why should I read your site if you're just going to make fun of me? I posted a serious response and you posted:

Uh...um...

Huh?

106 posted on 11/13/2010 3:52:46 PM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
Here is my first photo that I asked everyone about:

Tell me, do you really think that this is an airliner and not a missile launch, as the Jane's expert is calling it and as the former Under Secretary of Defense is calling it???


http://state-of-the-nation.com/

107 posted on 11/13/2010 3:53:01 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Mobties

On the basis of public observations, government explanations and the political atmosphere at the time this was a covered up incident.


108 posted on 11/13/2010 3:54:31 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: Innovative
Why not, it's not classified. Are you accusing me of lying?

And you refuse to address the other facts. The radar issue alone is one insurmountable fact. The plume of a solid-rocket exhaust contains aluminum oxide particles which reflect radar. If it was not water (as in a contrail) the plume would have stuck out on every radar on the west coast. Now make up an excuse for that one.....

109 posted on 11/13/2010 3:54:50 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Your refusing to accept the facts doesn't change the facts. Matt Dillon)
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To: Benchim

The video I saw clearly showed a fire trail as would normally be produced by a missile.


110 posted on 11/13/2010 3:55:56 PM PST by moovova (Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.)
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To: gman992
If it was a Chinese/Russian missile don’t you think that they would be bragging about it?

Are you kidding? Of course not.

Read "Blind Man's Bluff" about the US Navy's covert submarine warfare against the Soviets from the '60s through the '80s.

"Blind Man's Bluff: The Untold Story of American Submarine Espionage (ISBN 0-06-103004-X), published in 1998 by Sherry Sontag, Christopher Drew, and Annette Lawrence Drew, is a non-fiction book about U.S. Navy submarine operations during the Cold War. Several operations are described in the book, such as the use of USS Parche to tap Soviet undersea communications cables and USS Halibut to do the same in Operation Ivy Bells. The book also contains an extensive list of submarine collisions and U.S. submarine awards."

111 posted on 11/13/2010 3:56:41 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Ah! I see you did comment. Find parts of the film that show the hot part of the exhaust and explain the flickering and the change of colors. Those collars are not random and indicate a solid rocket motor.


112 posted on 11/13/2010 3:57:20 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: All

I’ve watched a whole lot of airplanes and a few missiles. I still can’t say for absolute certainty that what was shown in that film-clip was one or the other. What I can state with absolute certainty though is that our side is as completely mystified as any of us. I also remember how “our” side totally ignored the testimony of a whole bunch of independent witnesses to the TWA 800 disaster and dreamed up the “center tank theory,” thus protecting their own backsides for a massive intelligence breakdown. And this is the same bunch that foisted that idea off onto us then, so they have plenty of experience at bamboozling the masses (of which we are a part).

Our “intelligence” (what an oxymoron!) organs were caught with their panties down over the TWA 800 mess. They had a similar problem when that chinese sub surfaced in the middle of our task force. Both times they had (after a bit of scrambling) good, plausible reasons why they weren’t guilty of poking ol’ Shep.

Just like now. I do not trust anyone from the government. How many times have we noted that a sure indication of them lying is whether or not their lips are moving?


113 posted on 11/13/2010 3:58:10 PM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: idkfa
Oh, I see. The clouds in the missile photo are vertical! /s

I took the photos of the Shuttle, and trust me, the plume in the misslile photo looks exactly like a Shuttle (missile) launch.

114 posted on 11/13/2010 3:58:45 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: buccaneer81
Automatic Targeting Attack Communicator?

Uses an ultra-low frequency coded transmitter... to order our submarines to launch ballistic missiles.

Five days ago, our spy ship, St. Georges was sunk... in the Ionian Sea.

She was equipped with ATAC. Now, if that transmitter were to fall into the wrong hands... it would render our entire Polaris fleet useless. - Every order could be countermanded. - Worse. Our own submarines could be ordered to attack our own cities.

If half of what you're saying is true, we're in the soup.

115 posted on 11/13/2010 3:58:56 PM PST by GOPJ ('Power abdicates only under the stress of counter-power." Martin Buber /a Tea-nami's coming..)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

The skies are LAX are full of aircraft. Why was there only this one contrail when there should have been dozens?


116 posted on 11/13/2010 3:59:00 PM PST by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

CBS video of the launch:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/09/national/main7036716.shtml


117 posted on 11/13/2010 3:59:00 PM PST by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: Cicero

It was us. Shooting at a Chi-Com Sub. The sub had earlier hit that cruise ship with a new EMP weapon and knocked out all its electronic systems. A shot across little Obambis bow.


118 posted on 11/13/2010 3:59:08 PM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
As far as I know the only countries capable of launching a ballistic missile from a sub are:

The USA, Russia, England, France, China.

If it was a SLBM, it came from one of them:)

119 posted on 11/13/2010 3:59:25 PM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: idkfa

If that is a sunset launch that is the moon’s shadow and has nothing to do with the shuttle’s contrail except coincidence.


120 posted on 11/13/2010 3:59:25 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: Ronald_Magnus
It’s somewhat disconcerting reading that retired Air Force Lieutenant General Tom McInerney took this position. A guy with that much experience should not be fooled into thinking this was a missile.

The General is backed up by Doug Richardson, editor of Jane's Missiles and Rockets. What about him?

121 posted on 11/13/2010 3:59:55 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

You might like reading this.

http://stevenjohnhibbs.wordpress.com/category/faa/


122 posted on 11/13/2010 4:00:13 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: ChiMark

I cannot be replicated every day because weather at altitude must be correct for the formation.

And indeed there was a contrail the next day!


123 posted on 11/13/2010 4:01:43 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares ( Refusing to kneel before the "messiah".)
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To: buccaneer81; silverleaf

Here’s what buccaneer has to say:

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * **

For Your Eyes Only (1981):

Ah, there you are,

. Minister, Chief of Staff.

Are you aware of our ATAC system?

ATAC, sir? Automatic Targeting Attack Communicator?

Uses an ultra-low frequency coded transmitter... to order our submarines to launch ballistic missiles.

Five days ago, our spy ship, St. Georges was sunk... in the Ionian Sea.

She was equipped with ATAC.

Now, if that transmitter were to fall into the wrong hands... it would render our entire Polaris fleet useless.

- Every order could be countermanded.

- Worse. Our own submarines could be ordered to attack our own cities.


124 posted on 11/13/2010 4:02:29 PM PST by GOPJ ('Power abdicates only under the stress of counter-power." Martin Buber /a Tea-nami's coming..)
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To: GOPJ
If half of what you're saying is true, we're in the soup.

Well, it is from a 30 year old James Bond movie...

125 posted on 11/13/2010 4:03:03 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: B4Ranch

“Why was there only this one contrail when there should have been dozens?”

How many were returning from Hawaii over that part of the ocean and at that altitude?

Come on guys.

This is getting really silly now.


126 posted on 11/13/2010 4:03:08 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares ( Refusing to kneel before the "messiah".)
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To: I see my hands
Show me a video of a aircraft's contrail that looks like that.

I'll gladly supply still images of an airplane contrail, how's that?

That idiot "general" is completely discredited.

Mark this date. It's the date I put my credibility (such as it is) on the line here.

Can somebody tell me what sort of missile, or even extrapolation of a missile, has a *primary boost phase* that lasts for 10 minutes or more?

It's an airplane.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

127 posted on 11/13/2010 4:03:19 PM PST by The Comedian (I enjoy progressives, especially in a light cream sauce.)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
Everyone ...?

Considering it came from the mouth of an Air Force General, it must be true!

If we're going to take the word of generals then we have to believe the account of Astronaut Major Gordon Cooper who is on record as witnessing a UFO on his flight into space back in 1963...........

Holy cow, could it be this missile was fired at a UFO? The mystery deepens.............

128 posted on 11/13/2010 4:04:09 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (There's only one cure for Obamarrhea......)
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To: RFEngineer

Reminds me of an old joke.

“How do you know there’s a Navy pilot at your party?”

“Don’t worry, he’ll tell you.”


129 posted on 11/13/2010 4:04:27 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: screaminsunshine
The sub had earlier hit that cruise ship with a new EMP weapon

OK , now that's the dumbest rumor I've seen yet. The passengers' cell phones and personal computers were just fine. They would have been fried in an EMP attack.

130 posted on 11/13/2010 4:05:41 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
If you look toward the “start” of the plume you will see the wind has spread it out. That is what happens at altitudes where high winds occur. It does not happen at ground level. It also takes time to create that effect, and a missile doesn't move that slowly. This bird has stayed at the same altitude for some time, allowing the wind to do its work.

I have tracked many aircraft that when viewed through a camera lense seem to leave a solid rocket plume behind it, even though they are jet powered, just like this one. This is merely a trick of the eye.

Sorry, its just a plane doing what planes do when traveling through a moist front. Makes for neat photography.

131 posted on 11/13/2010 4:06:05 PM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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To: bigbob
Which of the following FACTS does the "sub-launched missile " definition fill?

1. There was no radar track from the FAA Los Angeles Regional Radar, Point Mugu NAS, Vandenberg AFB, Marin County regional radar, or San Francisco radar. You can't really believe every radar operator has been shut up?
2. The DSP satellites which can detect the launch of a model rocket and send alerts to several command centers did not detect a launch. The military doesn't give a damn about political correctness when it comes to someone launching in our back yard. Every missile would have gone on alert.
3. Not one aircraft, ship, police officer, or surfer reported a launch. Are you suggesting that every surfer on the west coast has been told to keep quiet?

The radar issue alone is one insurmountable fact. The plume of a solid-rocket exhaust contains aluminum oxide particles which reflect radar. If it was not water (as in a contrail) the plume would have stuck out on every radar on the west coast. Now make up an excuse for that one.....

132 posted on 11/13/2010 4:06:33 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Your refusing to accept the facts doesn't change the facts. Matt Dillon)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

China.

That same time period one of their new ‘silent’ subs surfaced inside a carrier group of ours. We had no idea they were there.


133 posted on 11/13/2010 4:06:41 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi

Sunlight glinting off the aircraft.
Airliners are very shiny, have lots of windows.
It’s also illuminated by orange sunset sunshine while it passes in front of a darker part of the sky making it appear to glow.

It’s an airliner.

And this will happen again one day as it did similarly the next day.

I’ve seen this before ok? I am a private pilot in SoCal of and on since the mid eighties.

Yes it makes you look twice.

But there is so much evidence now there is zero doubt it was an airliner.

I am surprised people are having a hard time with that.
Rational thought should prevail.


134 posted on 11/13/2010 4:06:48 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares ( Refusing to kneel before the "messiah".)
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To: brytlea
I couldn't understand what you were trying to say.

Go to that site, read it, get back to me with any questions.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

135 posted on 11/13/2010 4:08:01 PM PST by The Comedian (I enjoy progressives, especially in a light cream sauce.)
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To: buccaneer81

“The General is backed up by Doug Richardson, editor of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets. What about him? “

Me thinks ol’ Doug is going to come off looking foolish just like the General.


136 posted on 11/13/2010 4:08:11 PM PST by Ronald_Magnus
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To: Names Ash Housewares
I am surprised people are having a hard time with that.

TWA 800. That's why.

137 posted on 11/13/2010 4:08:54 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Look! Up in the sky!

138 posted on 11/13/2010 4:09:18 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: buccaneer81
What is going on here?

Mass hysteria and Orson Wells revisited...........


139 posted on 11/13/2010 4:10:01 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (There's only one cure for Obamarrhea......)
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To: buccaneer81
What is going on here?

I have been wondering the same thing. From the first video and reports on the ground I suspected this was a potassium permanganate oxidizer (sub launched) based solid rocket engine.

The swamp gas contingent were screaming too loudly to be taken seriously, however it raised the question as to why they were screaming so loudly.
140 posted on 11/13/2010 4:11:00 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. There are Wars and Rumors of War.)
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To: GOPJ; buccaneer81

Buccaneer81’s post was a quote from a novel.


141 posted on 11/13/2010 4:11:08 PM PST by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: buccaneer81
What is going on here?

I have been wondering the same thing. From the first video and reports on the ground I suspected this was a potassium permanganate oxidizer (sub launched) based solid rocket engine.

The swamp gas contingent were screaming too loudly to be taken seriously, however it raised the question as to why they were screaming so loudly.
142 posted on 11/13/2010 4:11:17 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. There are Wars and Rumors of War.)
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To: B4Ranch
The skies are LAX are full of aircraft. Why was there only this one contrail when there should have been dozens?

Most aircraft around LAX are taking off or landing and not at altitudes to create contrails.

143 posted on 11/13/2010 4:11:21 PM PST by idkfa
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Bump


144 posted on 11/13/2010 4:13:03 PM PST by sport
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To: Mariner

Just do a google search.

Just one example:

Iran Test-Fires Sub-to-Surface Missile in Persian Gulf

Aug. 27, 2006

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,210649,00.html


145 posted on 11/13/2010 4:13:14 PM PST by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

On the days when contrails are visible, I will see half a dozen or more of them simultaneously over Reno, NV. If contrails were visible in the LA area that day there should have been dozen of then visible simultaneously. Yet there is this one and only one visible.


146 posted on 11/13/2010 4:18:42 PM PST by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: Innovative; GOPJ
Buccaneer81’s post was a quote from a novel.

From the movie script, actually.

147 posted on 11/13/2010 4:21:05 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Whatever that thing was, I’m absolutely, positively 110% it was not an aircraft.


148 posted on 11/13/2010 4:22:25 PM PST by Yet_Again
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To: buccaneer81

Not if they were off. And they are not telling what caused the problems. It could not be one of six generators in separate compartments.


149 posted on 11/13/2010 4:24:02 PM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: NativeNewYorker
The press steadfastly refused to report TWA 800 as a shoot-down, despite scores of independent witnesses who saw a rocket rise from the ocean and strike the aircraft. Clinton was in the White House.

So was George Stephanopolous who later described the White House and security/military leaders congregating in the War Room during "the flight 800 shootdown."

150 posted on 11/13/2010 4:24:02 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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