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Amazing Interview: Air Force General says "Sub Launched Missile, 100% Certain"
Fox News Interview with Air Force General Tom McInerney | November 14th 2010 | Fox News Hannity Interview

Posted on 11/13/2010 2:55:59 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009

Hannity was surprised to hear a famous ex Air Force General tell him “That Is A Missile, Shot From A Submarine!” I quote retired Air Force Lieutenant General Tom McInerney (ex commander of 11th Air Force in Alaska) “I spent 35 years flying fighters, and you can see the guidance system kick in, I have watched that film 10 times, I am absolutely certain that that is not an aircraft, but a sub launch ICBM missile!!!” See the video and judge his words for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LivRJOWrcpA&feature=player_embedded#! I will next post a clickable link.


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To: B4Ranch

Everybody knows only one big jet at a time is allowed near LAX airspace. It’s been common knowledge for years.


151 posted on 11/13/2010 4:24:17 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

To repost a comment I made on another thread:

Let’s go through the evidence.

First, we do *not* have the U.S. Government reacting in a panic. A fleet of anti-submarine airplanes did *not* race out of San Diego to the potential launch site. The aircraft carrier helping the cruise ship did *not* divert to race to the area. Obama/Biden were *not* whisked away to safety.

Does this behaviour match an unannounced missile launch by an unknown party, or does it match an optical illusion?

Second, we do *not* have anyone gloating nor complaining about it. We do *not* have Russia angrily reminding us that ICBM launches must by treaty be announced in advance. We do *not* have Chinese news stations proudly announcing a successful test.

Does this behaviour match a missile launch within sight of US land, or does it match an optical illusion?

Third, we do *not* have any indication at all of where the hypothetical missle landed. We do *not* have amateur astronomers reporting “meteor” sightings along the possible track nor announcing a new satellite. We do *not* have reports of unexplained radar sightings. We do *not* have a recovery team scouring the area (any area) where it might have landed.

Does this behaviour match a missile launch which must come down somewhere, or does this behaviour match an optical illusion?

Fourth, we have testimony. NORAD claims it did not detect a missile launch. The FAA says its radar tracks don’t show any unexplained fast-moving objects. The pentagon says none of our forces launched anything and whatever it is isn’t a threat to us. The entire US military has the attitude of “Huh? I don’t show anything, do you?”.

Does this behaviour match a missile launch (possible cover story: “Routine test, nothing to be alarmed about”) or does it match an optical illusion?

Against this, we have a video of an pre-existing contrail. It’s hard to judge the speed of the object creating the contrail — it looks to me like the camera is jittering from the helicopter, and the actual object isn’t moving that quickly.

In short, now that more evidence has come forward, I consider the chance of this being a missile launch about as high as the chance that the mainstream media will announce the religion of the next terrorist.


152 posted on 11/13/2010 4:27:53 PM PST by TennesseeProfessor
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
the Chinese are Obama’s only (non-Muslim) allies.

The Russians are comrade Obama's main ally. Everything he does is meant to appease them.

153 posted on 11/13/2010 4:29:12 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

Old Generals never die. They just follow the contrails in the sky.


154 posted on 11/13/2010 4:30:39 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Here it is in black and white: The pinkos went green 'cause they're too yellow to admit they're red.)
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To: Paladin2

So if it is a missle where did it land?


155 posted on 11/13/2010 4:31:18 PM PST by Average Al
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To: TennesseeProfessor

So tell me again what the FAA said minus your adjectives and why would we worry about something we did....and why would China or Russia even care.....


156 posted on 11/13/2010 4:33:32 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: screaminsunshine
Not if they were off.

Not true.

157 posted on 11/13/2010 4:36:05 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

“Lunch? I thought you said launch! It sounded like you said launch!”


158 posted on 11/13/2010 4:36:22 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: idkfa

Is there flights to PHNL from other cities, such as Dallas, Tuscon, Phoenix or Las Vegas. Is there international flights from inland cities?

I’m not a travel agent and I’m not going to track this info down but I don’t think it was a plane.


159 posted on 11/13/2010 4:37:23 PM PST by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: The Comedian

re: “I’ll gladly supply still images of an airplane contrail, how’s that?”

Thanks for posting that. Very well done and totally debunks the “missle” theory. Well documented with several great pics and includes the physics as well. Again, thanks for your excellent post.


160 posted on 11/13/2010 4:37:41 PM PST by Nevadan
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To: Nevadan
*Thank* you.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

161 posted on 11/13/2010 4:42:21 PM PST by The Comedian (I enjoy progressives, especially in a light cream sauce.)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
I remember seeing the report about a possible missile launch on Fox News and then several hours later hearing that the Pentagon was still not sure what had happened. I guess my concern would be that with all of the satellite tracking, radar tracking, etc. that is available...if it was a plane, why they could not give the flight number of the plane. Have they identified the plane number yet?
If it is a plane, then I would be a bit uneasy about air traffic control...
162 posted on 11/13/2010 4:42:31 PM PST by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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To: eyedigress
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163 posted on 11/13/2010 4:42:31 PM PST by Ronald_Magnus
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To: Ronald_Magnus

Very well put. I remember that skit well. LOL


164 posted on 11/13/2010 4:44:06 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

I do have 15 years of Radar and Tracking and shooting things down but this one is something I will not dismiss easily. I don’t think a squad of F-4 smokers could do this.


165 posted on 11/13/2010 4:47:37 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: buccaneer81

It’s somewhat disconcerting reading that retired Air Force Lieutenant General Tom McInerney took this position. A guy with that much experience should not be fooled into thinking this was a missile.

The General is backed up by Doug Richardson, editor of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets. What about him?


It’s funny, right? That a FReeper could self-deceive to this degree.

Good to know that our finest Lt. General’s are now as deluded as what we ourselves can see with our own eyes...

He is deluded and mistaken. Not them.

And the US Ambassador to NATO, Robert Ellsworth: “It’s spectacular. Takes your breath away. It’s a sub launched ICBM !”

And Jane’s.

Oh well, the list for sanity, and the obvious, is expanding; Perhaps the sneering insulters will proportionately shrink.


166 posted on 11/13/2010 4:47:57 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

I agree that it looks like it could be the contrail from a jet.

What makes me more than skeptical of that though is that dead center of the leading element is a white ball of light.

I have seen several launches and that light coming from the main engine is not something that you can confuse or replace with anything that a commercial jet aircraft can begin to reproduce. Cameras providing coverage lose the ability to project that brightness of that light over the air.

When you actually visually observe a live launch, that white light can be so bright that it will actually hurt your eyes if you try to look directly at it. Its best that you look peripherally not direct at that light.

So to me, it seems, that this question can evaluated by performing some spectral analysis of that white spot from the original video to see what the specific data for that light tells us about that spot and what known sources are for that light.

I’m pretty sure we have exacting light spectral data for our sea based ICBMs but I would not know if we have the actual data regarding such ICBMs from Chine or Russia.

The data from that bright spot should be able to lead us in the direction of what this actually was.

And I would bet that the powers that be already know.


167 posted on 11/13/2010 4:49:13 PM PST by R0CK3T
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To: buccaneer81; DontTreadOnMe2009; All
"What is going on here?"

What is going on is that you missile believers want something exciting, and you are ignoring all logic, physics, and analytic geometry to make something exciting of a totally innocuous and commonplace airliner signature.

And that includes such self-deluded "experts" as McInerny.

McInerny did not see the early portion of that "flight". That video only covered the last minute or so of the flight. He based his "guidance kicking in" conclusion on shear wind distortion of the contrail that happened many minutes earlier than the video. IOW, he did not see the portion of the flight that he based his verdict on...

Simple test: ask McInerny (and yourself) whether the direction of flight was toward or away from the viewer...

And ask if the exact same thing occurred at the same time and location on preceding and following days.

Honest answers to those two questions will force you to face the truth. (It was AWE808).)

168 posted on 11/13/2010 4:52:53 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: R0CK3T

A Launch looks far to similar to this. I was trying to key on the spin and change of azimuth that seems very similar to a boost. I don’t know what it is, but everyone else seems to think it’s just another plane going to PHX. Oh well.


169 posted on 11/13/2010 4:55:53 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Average Al

It could’a sea’d, but the traffic chopper likely didn’t see it.


170 posted on 11/13/2010 4:57:10 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

I’m going to make a prediction and say these “missile truthers” in the media will slowly start to walk back their opinions in the coming days and weeks.


171 posted on 11/13/2010 4:57:19 PM PST by Ronald_Magnus
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

It may not be necessary to point out, butm FYI: A Lieutenant General wore 3 stars on his epaulets.

The stupidity of the gubmint in trying to sell that missile launch as a jet contrail defies comment. After the missile gained a little altitude you could clearly see the orange glow of the flames shooting out the rear from the rocket engine!


172 posted on 11/13/2010 4:59:10 PM PST by Tucker39
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To: Ronald_Magnus

Is that because of the flood of information given out by NORAD.....


173 posted on 11/13/2010 5:01:01 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: TXnMA

US Airways still isn’t talking.


174 posted on 11/13/2010 5:01:24 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: The Comedian
"I'll gladly supply still images of an airplane contrail, how's that?"

No good, provide video.


175 posted on 11/13/2010 5:03:05 PM PST by I see my hands (How's that ballot box thing working out for you?)
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To: Mobties

That occasion was one of the few times I vehemently disagreed with El Rushbo. That FBI guy, Jim Whatzizname “assured” Rush that Flt. 800 was not downed by a missile, and Rush bought it....or at least he led his audience to BELIEVE he did.

I guess “Jim” felt he HAD to tell that yarn to continue getting his pension, but to my little six volt mind his story was a 15 gallon crock!


176 posted on 11/13/2010 5:04:06 PM PST by Tucker39
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Flight 800, over Long Island.


177 posted on 11/13/2010 5:05:06 PM PST by NoGrayZone (This is not an election on November 2. This is a restraining order. - PJ O'Rourke)
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To: buccaneer81

The US Air Trident 2 project is still in its testing phase. :^)


178 posted on 11/13/2010 5:05:50 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: MizSterious

I agree. It was a missile. I’ve seen missiles launched and plane contrails.

The difference is obvious and if it were a plane they would know what plane it was. IMO


179 posted on 11/13/2010 5:06:51 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

He “watched the video 10 times” and never notice the thing took 10 minutes to go that little distance

I think these guys are toying with you.


180 posted on 11/13/2010 5:08:03 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: dynoman
If that is a sunset launch that is the moon’s shadow and has nothing to do with the shuttle’s contrail except coincidence.

It's actually a sunrise launch. The moon is full when the earth is (relatively) on a line between the sun and the moon.

Also, you can tell that it's not the moon's shadow since the shadow extends beyond the moon in the picture.

181 posted on 11/13/2010 5:08:18 PM PST by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

No they won’. They’ll forget about it. There’s absolutely no DOUBT that this was a commercial plane. All logic and evidence points to this 100%.

There are people that will take such evidence and warp it to prove that it’s a bigger and bigger conspiracy though.


182 posted on 11/13/2010 5:10:13 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Ronald_Magnus

No they won’. They’ll forget about it. There’s absolutely no DOUBT that this was a commercial plane. All logic and evidence points to this 100%.

There are people that will take such evidence and warp it to prove that it’s a bigger and bigger conspiracy though.


183 posted on 11/13/2010 5:10:33 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Lots of speculation in abundance. Here is some more as the issue is intriguing and maybe more than that:

Thinking of the Louisiana Purchase, the Gadsden Purchase, Alaska purchased from Russia: Maybe the US may be propositioned with a hostile takeover offer for certain territories, States via a reverse sale...to China.

Currently California is bankrupt. China wanting to bail out Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc with their excess US dollars depreciating rapidly. EU rebuffing the offer. Chinese could think, why not offer to bail out California with strings?? An existential missile threat might make the unthinkable astonishingly, thinkable. History is replete with such black swan events.

WHy not this?...maybe Tom Clancy is working on it as a fiction novel right now...China recently proclaims S. China Sea all the way to Indonesia as its sovereign waters (actually happened a few weeks ago) in a strategic challenge to US. The US responds by hastening the building up of Guam and sending a couple of updated B-52’s there. China fires sub ICBM off Calif coast...a message delivered. In two weeks an offer from China to their friend President Obama,....”we will give you all our $2.5 trillion US dollars, our approx $800B Tbills for California if you also throw in Guam, Hawaii, Taiwan. (China knows US has to print $2.5 trillion a year for the next two years of QE). You are promised protection of very effective Chinese missilery until the end of time. This offer reduces by 10% each day the offer is considered and not acted upon”.

The Chinese recall vividly the rapid response of the Congress to Paulson’s demand by the Fed Reserve thru the US Treasury in 2008 to issue a $700B bailout. Why, with an existential threat, the Congress might act even more quickly than that, especially with an offer that might give the rest of the US an additional year to putz around with impossible insolvency.

China also recalls Adm. Mahan of the 1880s and his case for warring with Spain to get Cuba, the Phillipines, Guam, Hawaii, etc. for expansion in the Pacific to deal with rising samurai Japan.

China would covet gaining US territory for itself as the US had done in the past by war or purchase. Nuclear blackmail is right up its alley. During the Clinton administration a Chinese General threatened the US with nuclear attack on its cities. Nothing more spectacular than a missile at the mouth of L.A. In the last few years, diesel electric subs, one Chinese, one Swedish, have been able to penetrate carrier group defenses.

Plot continues: Jarrett, Brezinski, Ayers, Axelrod, Soros, consider and demand Reid send acceptance through in a lame duck session. Swarzenegger can breathe a sigh of relief with all Dem state legislators...emergency budget session no longer necessary. China prepares for absorption of California along Hong Kong pattern. Obama administration wipes brow with white cotton cloth from Wal-Mart.

Burden relieved in California, nation saved.

The Obama administration is not dealing effectively with this missile matter and fictitious speculations are not healthy, including this one. If the demonstration was not of US origin, something big is afoot. One can only speculate.

It is not reassuring when the Obama administration is close to approving the START treaty which will limit US missile defenses. A recent article says only one Sen., a Republican, stands in the way of this treaty. Is the missile launch intended to influence one particular Senator?


184 posted on 11/13/2010 5:11:42 PM PST by givemELL (Does Taiwan eet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: eyedigress

“Is that because of the flood of information given out by NORAD.....”

No. It’ll be because they used logic in their thinking like many of us here have with the information available. I am SO positive this was a jetliner that I would GLADLY put “I AM AN IDIOT” in my sig if this is proven to be a missile. I wonder if “missile truthers” here are so sure of themselves that they would be willing to do the same if it is proven to be a jetliner.


185 posted on 11/13/2010 5:12:13 PM PST by Ronald_Magnus
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To: Ben Mugged

“They moved the DSP control center from Cheyenne Mountain years ago.”

Never knew it was ever there.


186 posted on 11/13/2010 5:12:39 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

Same here.


187 posted on 11/13/2010 5:15:39 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: gman992

when “they” conduct a demonstration intended to send a message to the potus, no, “they” do not brag about it

No one bragged about PanAm 103, did they?

The norks did not brag about sinking the ROKN ship, did they?

No one bragged about the oil platforms (US/BP and Venezuelean) blown up in the Gulf


188 posted on 11/13/2010 5:15:52 PM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: The Comedian
Unfortunately the 'magnification' effect of the Full Moon near the horizon is a myth; no such 'magnification' is occuring. Don't believe me? Take a pencil and hold it eraser side up superimposed against the Full Moon near the horizon, aka Harvest Moon. Wait 6-7 hours. Do the same thing when the Full Moon is all tiny blazing in its glory at the zenith. Notice anything? That's right, same angular width at the horizon as up in the zenith.

So why does it seem so big, despite it actually having the same angular width? The brain takes the visual cue of the horizon, trees, buildings, etc. and makes it bigger in your mind; no such visual que's exist high in the sky.

The reason the base of the contrail is wider nearer the horixon is due the the shearing affect of the upper level winds present at FL350 over the course of an hour or two. The part of the contrail nearer the tip is younger, and therefor less affected by winds aloft. Examine upper level rawindsond synopsis w/isotach contours for that time. What is readily apparent? A quite distinct zonal flow N-S from 500mb to 250 mb w/ winds > 50kts. The boundary of this N-S zonal flow is essentially the entire west coast up into Alaska.

Moreover, one has to take into consideration that contrails are effectively pushed down at a rate of 1000' per minute for about 10 minutes (perhaps as long as 15 minutes). This is due to either Newton's 2nd or 3rd Laws. That means the portion of the contrail farthest away is actually at a much lower physical altitude than the youngetst portion of the contrail. The net result is that an increased vertical attitude could become apparent not only due to perspective, but due to distoring affects of atmospheric refraction. But we're not even done yet considering all plausible influencing factors. IF there was a temperature inversion present at any layer of the atmosphere, whether at the surface, or aloft, the normal refracting index of the atmosphere due to extreme oblique illumination would only be exacerbated. Finally, and certainly, not least of all, one should consider the fact of the size of the sun itself relative to the earth.

Ever notice that objects actually can actually cast multiple shadows? Ever wonder why? That's because the sun is so huge and luminous that light emminating specifically from the very limbs of the sun is sufficinetly intense that individual shadows can be cast. So its plausible that three individual shadows can be cast; albeit the two outter ones would be less intense than the main shadow. At twilight all these factors can conspire to create some fairly impressive phenomena. Certainly not the least imnpressive one is a rather rare phenomena known as the Green Flash. Anybody who's ever seen that would swear a nuclear device went off just over the horizon. Not saying that is at play here, but atmoshperic phenomena can be pretty bizarre. Anybody who's witnessed standing lenticular clound phenomena would loudly concur; some pretty spooky stuff there Maynard.

The coup de gras for the missile theory is the shadow. IF it was a vertical missile plume, the shadow would NOT be akin to the pencil type cone being cast, it would be a dark vertical band from top of contrail down to the horizon. The fact that it is not - it is eminating akin to that of a pencil held horizontally against a light source proves the point beyond refute - allows no alternative explanation; i.e., other than an essentially a horizonatal contrail at FL350.

Its obvious there's some serious emotional currency invested in the missile theory. I really wonder why. You know what they say about fads, i.e., any will do. Same with conspiracies. Has the moon-landing hoax ever been resolved? Hell no. Can't even resolve the JFK assasination. We can't stop WikiLeaks, or release of information pertaining to human rights abuses at Abu Graib and Gitmo (not to forget the notorious Pentagon Papers), but this incident rises to the seriousness whereby the US government is clamping down with such pressure that pilots the world over - those who frequent Prune, or Airliners.net - are frightened into silence. Under what penalty? Death? Seriously? The Wikileaker can walk around with impunity (oxygen habit unimpeded)? People who believe this nonsense are seriously delusional to the point of insanity IMHO.

Oh, yeah, I konw: fire doesn't melt steel. The Murrah Federal Bulding OKC was an inside job, same w/9-11; that was a Bush orchastrated inside job too, right? Water floridation is a population docility measure and chem-trails are a government mind control plot. Lets not forget HAARP either. OMG! Will it ever stop? NOT, I guess, until conclusive unequivocal proof comes out with regards to the movie set for Capricorn I OR the authentic alien autopsy results are released from the frozen aliens stored at Wright Patterson.

It boils down to: don't bother me with details my mind is made up. Some people won't believe it until they see it. Others won't see it unless they believe it. What's the old adage: don't believe everything you hear (or read), and only believe half what you see. Its obvious that the wackaloon fringe-element - a la Micheal Rivero - is alive and well here at Free Republic.

189 posted on 11/13/2010 5:19:18 PM PST by raygun
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To: Ronald_Magnus

So YOU know what it is beyond all doubt. Whew, I’m glad that’s over.


190 posted on 11/13/2010 5:20:03 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress

“So YOU know what it is beyond all doubt. Whew, I’m glad that’s over.”

Calmness...Peace...Tranquility....My work here is done.


191 posted on 11/13/2010 5:22:13 PM PST by Ronald_Magnus
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To: givemELL
Burden relieved in California, nation saved explodes as millions of refugees pour out of California and US military launches a coup against the Obama administration. Thousands of Obama supporters mowed down by rioters. US on the brink of war with China.

Fixed it for you.

192 posted on 11/13/2010 5:24:40 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Grut

PRECIOUS bodily fluids...


193 posted on 11/13/2010 5:26:05 PM PST by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: raygun
but this incident rises to the seriousness whereby the US government is clamping down with such pressure that pilots the world over - those who frequent Prune, or Airliners.net - are frightened into silence. Under what penalty? Death? Seriously?

TWA 800.

194 posted on 11/13/2010 5:26:50 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

If people get this worked up over a proven airliner, man. I’ve been called an obot, a horse’s ass, a goat humper, and so on.

It’s a bit funny that people go so hysterical over this.


195 posted on 11/13/2010 5:27:10 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Ronald_Magnus

Probably..


196 posted on 11/13/2010 5:28:44 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: B4Ranch
"The skies are LAX are full of aircraft. Why was there only this one contrail when there should have been dozens?"

It is exactly this sort of mindless statement that makes missile-hopers sound so ignorant. Local ALTOD traffic is at low altitudes. Persistent contrails only occur at high altitudes where the condensed moisture can freeze into ice crystals (hence the persistence)... (Notice that AWE808 was bound to Phoenix [hence did not descend into the ALTOD low-altitude domain].)

Also notice the local A/C in the video. No contrail. Too low. DUH!!!

You folks need to go back and study jr. high physics and optics...

197 posted on 11/13/2010 5:28:54 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: umgud

‘toeing’


198 posted on 11/13/2010 5:29:09 PM PST by beezdotcom
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To: The Comedian

Can somebody tell me what sort of missile, or even extrapolation of a missile, has a *primary boost phase* that lasts for 10 minutes or more?


To the Comedian:

Sure, I will explain, although I have explained two times before.

As you can see in the short video excerpt, the missile is racing up into the sky, heading north by north-west.

The video of the rocket in flight was taken until it gets smaller and smaller and then disappears -— this part is under UNDER 2 minutes long -— “That thing was really going fast” said the LAX webcam operators.

The remaining 8 minutes of film are of the smoke plume remaining, lingering, in the sky:

The cameraman took 8 minutes of the missile exhaust because what he had just finished seeing was so unique and dramatic and strange, and the plume was so strange — “Never seen anything like it before” —that he continued taking film even after the missile had disappeared.

The blog idea of “a 10 minute video of a missile launch” is a “garble” of what really happened and what was said by the cameraman. No one would be so foolish as to say that they filmed a missile rising in the sky for 10 minutes -— only that the whole tape, including a lot of footage of the bizarre and odd and strange smoke plume, was that long.

You can see for yourself that the “object” is moving fast.

You can see for yourself the red fire coming out of the base of the object.

You can see for yourself that the object, like the many other missile launches that I have seen and that many other FReepers have seen, that the object rises up and arcs out further over the ocean and gets smaller and finally disappears from sight.

Seriously everyone, how many huge experts do you need to hear from?

It is good to know that bloggers sitting at home looking at a few seconds of a partial video clip can come up with much better opinions than the experts that I have posted.

Insulting Gen McInerney seems a very foolish thing to do: have you seen his Wiki entry listing his very long and illustrious career and his service to our country?

He is 100% sure he saw a SLBM launch, as am I (for what little that is worth).

Why would anyone on this Forum insult this man? I cannot understand people who would do this. Certainly he knows better than they ...

What experience do these weird “contrail” people have to offer??? What expertise? How many hours in fighter jets or submarines or actually there, working at missile launches??? None, I bet.

It is not a thin vapor condensation trail in the sky above our heads.

It is thick, heavy rocket corkscrew exhaust plume (as Jane’s missile expert pointed out to the Times of London the first day), and it is a missile.

Thousands of planes pass near and over LAX every day. No one has ever seen anything like this before.

And that is because nothing like it has ever happened before.

This SLBM launch should be the #1 topic across America, as I believe we have just been shown China’s new power -— Thanks, Bill Clinton !!!


199 posted on 11/13/2010 5:30:13 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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