Skip to comments.Let Obama win one...for now
Posted on 11/15/2010 6:19:26 AM PST by justsaynomore
President Obamas defeats did not just start with the 2010 midterm election results. They started in December 2008, when President-elect Obama said deficits dont matter. Well, he discovered that deficits do matter, because the American people were paying attention. They overwhelmingly rejected the runaway spending of this administration and this Democrat-controlled Congress.
President Obama suffered another loss when the nearly $1 trillion stimulus spending bill did not stimulate anything but more government jobs, while the unemployment rate went up and stayed up. The American people knew we could not spend our way to prosperity, but the president ignored that fact.
President Obama also discovered reluctantly that the American people do not like unpopular legislation shoved down their throats. Many of the members of Congress who walked the plank for Obama to pass health care deform legislation were sent into early retirement, which resulted in Republican control of the House of Representatives.
Now the big debate going into the lame duck session of Congress with spilt control of Congress is whether the existing tax rates will be extended for all, extended for no one, or extended for only those making less than $250,000 per year per couple. The latter is the position of the president.
If he prevails and the rates are set for a limited period of time, the uncertainty for private sector businesses will only be extended for that same period of time. Tax rates need to be made permanent in order to reduce economic uncertainty.
If the president agrees to make the tax rates permanent for everybody as the Republicans are proposing, he would be truly acting in the best interest of the American people for the first time in his presidency. If he does, I will be among the first to applaud his decision.
But if he chooses to let the tax rates expire for all income brackets as a political move because the Republicans will not support his tax the rich proposal, this economy will go into a further tail spin and he will blame it on the Republicans.
Fifty percent of those making over $250,000 a year are small business owners. This means the economy would stall even more and the unemployment rate would go higher. Just like the Obama Administration did not think the stimulus spending would fail, they do not believe that raising taxes on the job creators will backfire and negatively affect the economy.
Rather than sending this economy into a full scale depression if tax rates go up for everybody, I say let Obama win one! We would only have to endure these failed policies and this economic insanity for another two years. Some businesses will not be able to survive because they are barely surviving today. But many businesses would find a way to hold on until we make a change in control of the Senate and the White House.
The presidents passage of the health care bill was not a victory. It was a resounding defeat, because the majority of Americans did not agree with it and the disagreement grows stronger day by day as people discover more and more of whats in the bill as Nancy Pelosi proclaimed before it was passed.
The stimulus spending bill has been a resounding failure. Just ask those members of Congress who did not mention it in their re-election defeat campaigns.
Even the president described the 2010 midtern elections as a shellacking. Hes right. Lets hope he learned something. If not, let him win one on extension of the tax rates and tell the people what to expect.
We can expect more economic pain until there is a change in the White House.
I understand his point. This is exactly what Obama doesnt want to happen, those taxes go up and he get the blame again. What Obama wants is to pass all the tax cuts then say Republicans blackmailed him. Then when the economy doesnt get better, and the the debt climbs, he is not the sole owner of the mess. He knows what killed Rats in 2010 was being the owner of the economy. In short, Obama wants to let Republicans win this one and cry victim.
Letting the other guy ‘win’ is tricky business, like throwing a fight. You lose if it is known that you threw it. Congressional Democrats are already proposing upping the limit to 1 Million to make it look better politically to raise some taxes(voters will be much less sympathetic to 'millionares').
I disagree with Herman on this one. 0 didn't discover anything. He thinks we idiots who aren't as smart as he is just don't understand what he's doing with the deep insight granted by being a community organizer into what makes America work.
Ah, but the American people won't blame Republicans, Mr. Cain. It will be seen as yet another attack on business, as private sector players now see that the "rich" are our economy's employers, investors-the ones who sign the checks. America has made the connection now that liberal policies have been put into action, between hammering the "wealthy" and low growth, IMHO.
If I'm wrong, then you're right, but I think this election shows people see capitalism as too fragile for government to deploy punitive taxes on those who have the capital to put at risk.
Herman has said several times on his show that he believes Obama’s actions are not a result of incompetence but are on purpose - he is a lot more blunt about these things on his show (and in his speeches) than in his writing.
I love the comment make the tax rates permanent....no Congress can do that, furture ones always have the option of raising or lowering at their whim.
As far as giving him any issue, just say NO.
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He is talking about the Bush tax cuts (he calls them rates).
Herman is actually a Fair Tax advocate - has been for years.
He got that right. Dems sealed their fate by bitterly clinging to O/Care. Obama, Pelosi
and Bill Clinton said O/Care would boost their reelection, and the idiots believed them.
The happy couple---united by O/Care.
I fully agree with this. Let Obama have this and then keep the spotlight pointed on his decision as the pain persists. The 2012 election results will then be far worse for the thug party than the 2008 elections.
Of course they are. 0 knows what's best for everyone, and if doubt my statement just ask him or any of his toadies. The MSM's relationship with 0 reminds me of the most revolting movie I've ever heard of a dutch horror film called "the human centepede"
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The trouble with most Democrat politicians, and even many Republican ones, is that they are still operating under the beliefs held more than 50 years ago. That is,they still look at Americans as though most are too busy with their own lives, are not college educated, are women in the homes with no interest in the world, are out in the fields, or are just too dense to understand complex policies, and they figure they can hoodwink us. They operate as though what they do, as the "all knowing" crowd in DC, can be pushed through Congress with little opposition from the American public, because we will just trust that they know what is best for us. That line of thought is what they have held onto for ages.
They forget...most Americans are now very good at research, having attended college and learned how to source out, compare, and evaluate information. Thousands of Americans have as good an education, or better, than most politicians - and many of us went to school with them,learned the same principles, and studied the same subjects...so we "ain't" so dumb anymore. Most Americans have found a place to voice their opinions - either through the Internet; movements like the TEA Party, etc. and are not quieted by propaganda and empty platitudes. Most Americans can dissect a speech and find that nearly all politicians say absolutely nothing, but love to sound like they know something (the current White House resident being the prime example).
In essence, the crowd that Washington speaks to today is much more aware than the tricksters in office want to recognize it for being. Washington wants to keep Americans on the level of third graders who need their Mommy politicians to take care of them and tell them what is good and right for them. That no longer applies.
What is funny is that ALL politicians promote higher education and getting a college degree as the most important thing for Americans. Yet, they do not want to accept that since we have become educated, as they promoted should happen, we now can figure out how they are and have been hoodwinking us for many years!
The electorate has become more knowledgeable than the elected, and the DC gang just cannot comprehend, or accept that.
unless the muzzcomm has created the 'perfect' forgeries of all its docs, i doubt there was ever a plan for an 012' run, so everything done, everyday, is based on crippling its 'enemy' and enrichin itself for the future globull economy ...
if the new CONgress doesnt start playin hardball on day one, the sand will quickly run thru the glass...
I am not saying his strategy will work, but I am pretty sure that Cain is talking about a strategy to beat Obama here, not to get along. A good way to think of it was McCain losing to Obama, that led to the Dems being rejected this past election. If McCain somehow won 2008 then 2010 would have been the third Republican wave loss.
In some ways politics is like economics.
Mr. Cain is under no such illusion. He is on the radio night after night talking about the danger of Obama and his policies, as well as traveling the country speaking to tea parties about the same.
Thank you - I’m glad you also get what is being said here.
Make Obama “OWN” this disaster - all the way to 2012.
As Rush said last week “ Losers compromise, not winners”
But Republicans have a horrible track record. Think Lucy, Charlie Brown, and a football.
Will see. Obama ‘won’ Obama care and look how far it got him. Politics is a bit unpredictable like the economy, unpredictable humans involved. Ethanol was real popular when Bush signed it, at least for a few months till gas prices went up. Then the voters turned.
Some-times parties get in lose-lose situations, till the next election.
Yes, compromising demoralizes the base, when Obama signs a full extension of tax cuts it will demoralize the liberals base.
One of the walking dead (Bush-bots) keeps pounding on my other door moaning. She thinks she's alive apparently.
thats a *great* thing indeed...but I think we need to get away from speaking about bambam as being anything but what it really is, and that is a domestic enemy whose sole purpose is to destroy this country while prepping for the NWO of a 'post American' world...
IMO, everytime we water down the truth by implying its incompetence or simple misguided ideology, we lose valuable time in beating back the invasion...
bambam is in the power seat right now, and he is determined to kill myself and family and everything I hold dear, as well as the principles and concepts of this great Constitutional Republic that i naively believed to be untouchable from my youth...sadly it infiltrated and attacked and was near 'broken' before i was born, and now if it even can be salvaged, theres precious little time remaining to reverse course...
call a spade a spade, so to speak...the muzzcomm is and always will be a mortal enemy of FReedom...
” the muzzcomm is and always will be a mortal enemy of FReedom “
If you think about it, Gilbo, Karl Marx is responsible for more worldwide misery than any man in history, hands down!
Right now Obama is trying to figure out how to get re-elected, he wasnt thinking of that before this election. Now you will see the compromises.
” Right now Obama is trying to figure out how to get re-elected “
Which only proves how obtuse the “Whiny Little Bitch “ Obama is.
The only way he could be re-elected is if we run another RINO again, and even then, it would be tough ;-)
bambam could very well prove to be their bastard love child bred in hell...
losing the house midstream is a bump in the road, but im sure the powerplayers had that figgured in...beware the lame duck and vastly wealthy EX congresscritters in the near term, and a boatload of executive fiat for the next couple yrs...
I can see where y’all are coming from, but I did not read this commentary and think he is talking about compromise, neither did my husband.
But if you don’t really know or follow Herman, you probably wouldn’t get that.
I’ve heard Herman Cain before. He’s a good guy.
Evidently the mods tho’t my rant was over the top and saw fit to banish them from the Ether...
Probably just as well. I’m in a rotten mood today...
He is not talking about compromise. He is talking about how if Democrats won on raising taxes with Republican opposition, they would likely lose in 2012. Obama knows this and is looking for a way to give-in without losing his base. If Republicans went along with Democrats on tax increases it would wreck Cain's strategy (or his logic.) It would be a disaster for Republicans.
Watching MSNBC tonight it looks like this will be pushed into the next congress. The Reid Pelosi congress is still paralyzed.
” bambam could very well prove to be their bastard love child bred in hell... “
Looks to me like Obama is sinking fast. The Washington Post allowed an article by liberal democrats that say Obama should announce he will not seek a second term, in order to salvage his presidentcy.
Dont count your chickens. This election was primarily older white. Next election Obama is counting on the group that re-elected Reid to vote nation-wide. By about summer we will get a feel for how it is going, as we did summer 2009.
This part of Cain I wonder about. If Obama vetos a tax cut bill then he gets the blame, not Republicans.(That would be great.) The Republican new congress can fix it next year retroactively. If it lapses a few days till the new congress, who cares?
So this part I disagree with him. Republicans cannot give-in without looking like they are giving in making them part of the problem.
I just believe we've gotten beyond the sarcasm stage, hoping it sinks itself...bambam must be met head on and stopped...
sorry about the crappy tude Haledude...Pray on it, ask for guidance and serenity, even if its just words today...8^}
EVERY move at this point needs to be geared towards the goaline [repealng the beasts of gov]...
might as well stay with football analogy and say this is simply sudden death time...only one winner, FReedom or slavery...
How about, “I’ll step down...” to salvage the nation?
” How about, Ill step down... to salvage the nation? “
That would go down in history as a selfless act......;-)
” Republicans cannot give-in without looking like they are giving in making them part of the problem. “
And they have a long history of caving in....Trent Lott was the worst, and he is now busy trying to corrupt the newcomers, along with his butt-buddy, McConnell.
He will step down in time—but due to a scandal that exposes him as a crook. Its a safe bet that coming from corrupt Chicago he is dirty—or some of his people are. We have hints of this in the black panther thing and other scandals. By 2012 he will be gone, Biden will go with him and—I believe Hillary will be president. Appointed not elected. The only question—who will she pick as her VP? Panetta perhaps?
With the Lott/McConnell/McCain types, who needs Democrats? These people do their fighting for them. Before the battles even begin, our guys determine how much ground they will surrender from the get-go.
We draw back our forces, and begin at our base point, only to lose more ground from there.
They’re surrender monkeys one and all. (these types)
” Before the battles even begin, our guys determine how much ground they will surrender from the get-go.”
JUST LIKE CLOCKWORK
Republican Congressional leaders weren’t invited to the White House. Obama didn’t listen to them. He didn’t need them.
When health care was being devised, the Democrats didn’t ask for Republican input. They drew it up on their own.
Now that the Republicans are in the majority, our own people are trying to figure out what the best route to bi-partisanship is.
And to top it off, the same Mr. Power-sharing (Trent Lott) is there in a position of advisement to help screw us again.
I would say that the Republican party is the stupid party, but nobody is that stupid. Nobody!
Yep, and the clock is stuck on... well not stupid. It’s more like selling out.
Funny...I don’t remember seeing Trent Lott’s name ANYWHERE in the last batched of people who just got ELECTED.
What is the best way to send these RINO POS’s packing, for crying out loud...I’m sick of having to hear them, deal with them, listen to them...
Makes a guy believe that everything’s rigged...almost...